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MINSK....TRUIMPH HURDLE
MINSK....TRUIMPH HURDLE
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you have to ignore his last run though for him to be clear fav,why would you do that?
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Because he threw his chance away by pulling too hard, and as I said, I believe the stronger pace in the Triumph will help him settle.
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ok,fair enough,but clear fav?i think the same re sadlers risk's run yesterday to be honest,green as well still,much more to come from him i feel,although whether its in time for March is open to question.
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From being hyped to beaten and infection the out the race all over a few days. Trainer says its a tough game ... indeed it is.
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Former JCB Triumph Hurdle favourite Minsk will miss Cheltenham after he was found to have an infection when beaten on his jumping debut at Fairyhouse on Saturday.
As a result, trainer Dessie Hughes and owner Barry Connell have decided to pull the plug on Minsk's hurdling programme for this season. The four-year-old will probably not run again until towards the end of the Flat season, when he will return to the John Oxx stable, for whom he won the Irish Cesarewitch in impressive fashion last autumn. The four-year-old will then go back to Hughes to resume his career as a novice over hurdles. "He was a bit disappointing so we had him scoped when we got home and found he has an inflamed throat. It's the start of an infection," said Hughes. "His lungs were clean, but he's starting to get a cold and the vet said there's no way he could finish the race with that. "We had scoped him on Wednesday after work and he scoped clean. It's a tough old game. "He can't go to Cheltenham now. He has to go on antibiotics and it will take a good two weeks to clear it up. "There's no way he can get to the Triumph Hurdle, unfortunately. I'd say we'd leave him now and keep him as a novice for next season. "I'd say he'd go back and run on the Flat in the autumn in a couple of races and then go hurdling. "The owner has made up his mind and that makes sense to me." Minsk had been at the top of the Triumph betting at around 6-1 before he had jumped a hurdle in public on the strength of his good Flat form and reports of his excellent schooling at home. However, he was surprisingly beaten on his eagerly-awaited debut, albeit by a neck, by Burrenbridge Lodge. But Hughes felt Minsk would have won had he jumped the final flight cleaner despite being under the weather. "If he'd have jumped the last quicker on Saturday he'd probably have won anyway," the County Kildare-based handler added. |
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Anyone listening to this outfit in future needs to have their heads checked.
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Did well to jump 8 feet in the air with a sore throat!
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re Baby Mix/Grumeti, I disagree that BM should be "clear favourite". Grumeti has looked very professional so far whereas Baby Mix has run two good races and one stinker. Both have decent form including course form. But to make BM clear favourite you'd have to forget his awful run and I don't see why one should. Maybe he had excuses, but maybe he has two ways of running, maybe he bounced, who knows? Grumeti slight favourite for me as he's the one who's done nothing wrong so far.
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conditor
25 Feb 12 20:45 Joined: 02 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 386 | Blogger: conditor's blog i can see it having a little injury just before triump, so that connections can save face Rate reply: | report block user ooops  |
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BM wasn't that hot on his only start over French hurdles either, 5th with an RPR of 113, looks like he was inconsistent on the flat too. Found Grumeti's performance much more convincing of the 2 yesterday. Time was only 2s slower in spite of a much slower early pace and he looked like he had more to give. Was giving weight to 2 hurdle newcomers who were decent on the flat, the second seemed to take well to hurdles, the older French mare that fell was a listed winner on the flat, no OR available but an RPR of 109 just last season, 8lb higher than the best RPR of Minsk and 5lb higher than Chester Vase 4th Sadlers Risk, to put it in perspective.
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Thieves - re BM's French hurdles run - he was barely 3 iirc? I think the race was in March of his 3yo year. So while I take your point, I wouldn't count that as much of a negative unless he was very precocious.
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All the runners were barely 3 stront and they were all making their debuts. It's what 3yo do in France. Precocious buggers
 Point is you would think a future Triumph winner would be able to do better than 5th with an RPR of 113... |
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OK, fair enough. Mind you, the horse would be pretty forward to be puttig up a good RPR in March one year and winning the Triumph the next - he's clearly improved since that first hurlde run (or there are some monsters tucked away in France)!
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Do you think he bettered 130 by much yesterday Stront? Will be interesting to see the RPRs, the 3rd has 2 runs at 116 to his name but was 2 months off the course so not sure if they will use him as a yardstick?
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HES OUT GUYS not going to chelts sick is not the word
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Thieves - no, 130 seems about right, though it's a very hard one to rate accurately.
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Many thanks for your comments regarding Balder Success I appreciated your comments, theiveslikeus and maychain, I think it is a very impressive horse and should be considered if it is going to run in the Supreme dont you think.
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Many thanks for your comments regarding Balder Success I appreciated your comments, theiveslikeus and maychain, I think it is a very impressive horse and should be considered if it is going to run in the Supreme dont you think.
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Many thanks for your comments regarding Balder Success I appreciated your comments, theiveslikeus and maychain, I think it is a very impressive horse and should be considered if it is going to run in the Supreme dont you think.
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4 yos have a poor record in the Supreme unless they turn out to be very high class hurdlers - e.g. Binocular, Hors Le Loi III.
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Few try to be fair Stront, only 8 in the last 9 years and only 2 of them precocious Frenchies.
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Pointless Fred
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"But Hughes felt Minsk would have won had he jumped the final flight cleaner despite being under the weather."
How could he have jumped it any cleaner? There were four feet between him and the top. First he hypes the horse then makes excuses for it. One to take on if he gets over the sore throat by next year. |
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Thought this horse looked the essence of novice yesterday. Its jumping under pressure was extremely poor even though it looked to be travelling much the best three out. The last jump in particular it must have lost a length or more. Doesn't look a particularly strong race with the first and third exposed. Obviously a very unlikely runner now but would have had to improve its jumping no end to figure in the triumph in any case.
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I reckon if he has a decent summer on the flat he may never jump a hurdle in public again.
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stront,you could be right,but his owner is a National Hunt man,so id say we'll definitly see him over hurdles again at some stage,
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Withdrawn from the Triumph lists this morning. Hopefully the horse can comeback in good order for the Irish St Ledger
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He might be able to sell the horse to a flat owner and buy 3 or 4 who can actually jump
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lol
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It would be worth playing the horse a continuous loop of Istabraq in action during the summer and he might also benefit from a chartered surveyor's feasibility study at his next schooling session. Dessie has to think outside the box with this one.
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Red and White, he hardly winged it now did he? He ballooned it and got away slow. Was a head up coming into the flight and a length down getting away from it.
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