u shud of called it a day on the 3rd of april 2003

Extrapolating from a small field race run at little more than a moderate early pace (the International), to draw conclusions about what is likely to happen in the CH or the SN, is fraught with difficulty surely?

It is quite possible that Menorah will run very well in the CH and Cue Card win the SN, but I am not sure their respective runs in the International make that any more likely to happen or provides some immutable guide to tying in the form each is likely to show at the Festival.

Yours obviously worded much better, however.

^^^^^drama queen.

He did blank him to be fair, I noticed straight away and have it recorded.

Alvarado Joined: 20 Sep 10
Replies: 1018 18 Feb 11 22:39 
menorah is the best hurdler ive ever seen

hes got everything




So i take it this is ur first season ever watching some racing - everything makes sense now

bjg fuc k off u fat low life

I can't believe how many poeple say 'can't see it being beaten'. I bet they don't remortgage their houses and put every single penny they have on these unbeatable selections

A bit of perspective would be nice - there are at least 6 horses in the Supreme betting that I wouldn't be at all surprised if they won - and of course theres always the chance a horse I don't consider might win as well (Artic Kinsman, Ebizayan etc)

With respect to Cue Card the current market suggests he is twice as likely to lose as win - so go figure??

He is the most likely winner on the evidence to far. However, the winner of this race is going to need the ability to quicken off a fast pace. My recollection of the International is that Menorah went away from him off the final bend in a matter of strides. If the Henderson entries make it to the track along with Zaidpour and John Quinn's horse, then this will be a proper race, no question. I suspect Cue Card might even trade at 3/1 on the day.

Think Hardy Eustace but a higher cruising speed.

He just has to repeat his November run. That was good enough to win any supreme.

No need to talk like that Alv. The 'rubbish jock/trainer' actually got him to 2/1f for the Supreme so they can't be that bad.
You think it's a lay well that's OK just no need to slag off a pretty good small outfit.

spirit son 31l beating of 130 rated cedre bleu better than anything done by cue card

zaidpour 50l win a grade 1 vs 125 horses also better

spirit son beat cedre bleu who is a 3 mile chaser in the making an wouldnt get near menorah and as for zaidpour horse runs like wichitea lineman on an off the bridle all race an surely is better over further,Cue Card has the best form an course form by long way imo an his current price is better than i could imagine but the favs in this race have a bad ratio but im more than happy with 5/2- 11/4 CC if i can get it

Sorry eric,but if you think that a horse with a high cruising speed and a little bit of stamina can win a supreme then you are very much mistaken,this race is about a finishing burst of speed at the end of the race and that is one thing CC has proven not to have in his locker over 2 miles and whoever said CC was not exposed then more fool you,at this trip he has been very much exposed,all CC backers are going to be proven idiots come race day

TheFormMan you have a very valid point. The Supreme there is something breaks for pace you are right.

However I think, if ridden well to maintain a high tempo, Cue Card will play to his strengths and stretch them out as a bumper winner with some stamina and his high cruising pace made Menorah and Silviniaco look pedestrian at various points. All about the ride he is given imo.

Funny that, I also remember an idiot on here spouting off about Zaidpour being a monster. What did he do, bite your wallet?

Christ whats up with some of you lot? Interesting debate equals [:D]. But childlike tit for tat playground bickering equals .

I have to say Cue Card is a better price than you would expect given what it's done this season compared with some of the previous favs of late and their comparative merits.

Alvarado I wouldn't be so quick to put down Dunraven Storm either. The race before getting beat 8 lengths by CC it beat Recession Proof 4 lenghts off levels. That form is pretty solid wouldn't you say? They have put Dunraven away because there was clearly something up when it ran last time out and I wouldn't be surprised to see it run a really solid race in the Supreme.

Just because his last run against Toubab was below par it doesn't spoil Dunraven's previous form. This is from the RP in Dunraven's last run including a quote from Hobbs:-

As they travelled down the back, the pace remained sedate with the four runners closely grouped. Several slick jumps in the back straight saw Dunraven Storm jump into a share of the lead. However, the slow pace clearly hampered the favourite's chances and as they quickened in the home straight he was left behind.

"He lost his race at the start," said Philip Hobbs. "He boiled over beforehand and then pulled too hard in the race. He ran miles below his true form and we'll give him a break now."

Dunraven has already beaten Recession proof off levels and he's 4th in the betting ffs! That's a strange comment you have just made above. I find some of your comments in this thread a little peculiar if I'm honest, you knock  CC for being "a shade short of top class" and go on to point 2 horses out that could be anything as a reason for it's weakness. Just come out and say you are out to get it beat because your arguement for CC being a bad bet aren't too great at the moment. CC is a shade short of Champion Hurdle class at 5 ffs, that is rare for a novice and deserves respect. The form with Dunraven is very solid and there are always plenty of horses in the supreme that are unkowns that could be anything.

The race is very tough to win and just saying it's a hard race for a fav to win and I'd rather look elswhere for the value would be sufficient fella. Trying to come with poor reasons to knock a horse who is a very worthy favourite and probably a shade bigger in the betting than he should be given what stupid prices some favs have gone off at in the last few years seems a waste of time. I have always tried to get the fav beat in this race and I very much doubt I'll be backing Cue Card but I really fear him.

For me it's not a race to get too heavily involved in because of all the unknowns, I will probably back Dunraven's ew because he is amazing value for one below par effort. There is a small chance that 4 races in 6 weeks was too much for Dunraven so early in the season, it is also possible that he could be a good deal closer to CC than he showed in their race because he it was his 3rd race in just over a month a at the time.

For CC backers like me the defeat by Menorah was a good thing. His price would be 4/5 without that, whether he wins or not.
Trainers are still learning about these new novices just like NH did with Binoular. It took 3 seasons for him get it right.
The Tizzards did the right thing by a)running him fresh and b)not going for the CH.
Also with NH having so many easy winners helps the price. Pity the bookies don't push him out accordingly. Maybe on the day he will drift a little, Dunguib went from 4/6 to 4/5 on the day so, although I've backed him already I will top up on the day at BOG.
Unless he loses a leg first, of course.