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Pooper - It sonds like you're building up a unhealthy relationship with these little devils. Quit now and save your soul and your cash.
At least you should let your new friends try and win it off you on here. |
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Correct - hit the button at the same time and you get the same number- so if they are fixed - how does it know which person to stich up? In the examples listed, what if the guy next to you was covering just the high and low numbers?
The other reson I belive thet are not fixed is why on earth would they need too? They are doing very nicely out of the machines just taking a few percent profit - all it would take is one whistleblower to bring the whole thing down. |
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These roulette macines are making the bookies far more in profit a year now no matter what your local bookie manager tells you.
Thats why they are all open to 9 o'clock at night now even when there is no night racing, because the roulette machines are hauling in the cash. |
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I don't know the answer to this question exactly but I suspect people can form their own opinions.
I've played these machines before and I agree if the button is pressed at the same nano-second the same number can come out. But it really is down to the same nano-second sometimes. Sometimes even when you think you have pressed together it doesn't work - what can you do??? sue the bookies?? no here's a scenario - you put 8 in one machine and put 50p on 16 different numbers. Your mate sticks in 100 and covers the other 21 numbers equally (approx 4.50 on each) - you press buttons together and continue this sequence for "let's say" 25 spins - what do people suspect the results will be (based on past experience)? By the way - I've played the machines 3 times in the last 4 days - and I've won (yes won) on TWO out of those three occasions. So obviously they are completely fair!!! (tongue in cheek) PS: reply to above post - I noticed on the door of Lbrokes that their closing time is in fact 10pm!!!! |
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how can any machine be random if it guarantees a 97% (or whatever payout ).
if a machine is random, then surely no gaurantee of any sort could be given. if i pick the right numbers every time on a random basis i would expect to win all the time. if this machine has any edge of any sort, then it cannot be random, FULL STOP. |
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Sohpiep,
I have wondered the same thing myself. But, this is the way the machines in vegas work too (fruit machines / bandits whatever you may call them). It does seem kind of conflicting! I am sure someone can explain :-) |
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that is a very good point .. so they cannot be RANDOM ..the barstewards
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The point is that the machines don't guarantee a 97% payout - that is just the expected pay out over a long period.
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why has another thread stole my thunder :)
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i've just put my music on shuffle and it has played 4 songs in a row by the same artist, even though he only takes up about 30% of the total music.
My WIndows Media Player is fixed, I'm just gonna stick to live bands from now on. To whoever made the point about how can a random machine gaurentee x% profit, you're dead right. |
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these machines are fixed, i have lost enough on them in the past to realise they are less random than real roulette is, ie the unexpect happens far too often for it to be coincidence, 97% payout i find that very hard to believe, it wouldn't surprise me if what is paid out by the machine can be adjusted
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Had a guy moaning to me today how fixed they are as he shoved another 100 in. I told him to stop playing if it was fixed. He just carried on playing................................
Funny how people never think they're fixed when they win ;-) |
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Oh dear...............
97% payout in the long run due to the maths. You bet on a single number, you get 35/1. There are 37 numbers. Go figure. Same with columns and rows. You get 2/1, house makes their money when zero falls. It's really not difficult. I can't speak for any of the other bookies, but Hills RNG is in Leeds, and I can confirm that if two (or 3, or 4, or 600) people in different shops press the go button at exactly the same time, they will all get exactly the same number, regardless of what is staked on each machine. Thank you, and goodnight. It's all rigged. Idiots |
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I did a presentation on FOBTs as part of looking at gambling in the UK economy.
I must say, that conclusively, all who play these are polluting the gene pool. Why people don't listen to maths i have no idea. If you cannot statistically beat the game, why bother. Take your 20, buy a niceish bottle of whiskey and settle down in front of the tv. |
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What a collection of hopeless moronic retarded fkwits!
I truly despair at the standard of intelligence among the general public. I can't believe that you are able to dress yourselves, let alone the fact that you somehow manage to have the chance to vote for leaders that govern my actions. You are a waste of oxygen, so please do the decent thing and jump from a tall building. |
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Pandybear; I must disagree.
Players who play them are not the problem, providing they realise what you are up against. These machines are gambling entertainment and a novice will have a far greater chance of success than on horse racing. The problem is when people are of the understanding that they 'have a system'. |
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sophiep 05 Dec 00:20
how can any machine be random if it guarantees a 97% (or whatever payout ). if a machine is random, then surely no gaurantee of any sort could be given. if i pick the right numbers every time on a random basis i would expect to win all the time. if this machine has any edge of any sort, then it cannot be random, FULL STOP. LOL and your followers... if tossing a coin was even chance and i gave u 5/6 on a spin, then over time i would win a percentage due to the "house eghde" or reverse value... just coz they make a profit doent mean they are rigged. |
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I CAN BEAT ROULETTE
Of course you can. Jog on, you mug. Unless, of course, you are talking about the infamous 'Double Double', in which case, well done, you have found the key to the Golden Chalice. One last spin...... |
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Machines can't produce numbers at random. They can only produce numbers based on the physical state of the machine at any given time.
Put the machine in a given state and it will produce a certain number. It's not as if a different number could possibly have been produced with the machine in that particular state. That's just how causation works. A number would only be truly random if it were not generated by a deterministic chain of events. But physical laws work as deterministic chains of events and therefore the idea of randomness is incoherent. |
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dodadae
u seem to have a real serious problem with these machines. Why dont you just stop and put the time and effort you were using on these machines (which seems a lot) into research on a sport you like, look at these stats etc which you seem to be wise about. Then use that information to bet on here or elsewhere on your given sport. You may end up winning. good luck |
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I'm no expert so don't shoot me, but thought I'd toss a snippet into the debate (it concerns fruit machines not roulette but you'll get the point)
A very good friend of mine grew up in pubs (his old man being a publican). One issue he vividly remembers is the delivery of the new fruit machine. Each time this occurred, people would want to play it (new toy syndome) and punters would have some success, thereby creating an allegiance to said macine. After a couple of weeks, the machine engineer would visit and 'adjust' the winning percentage (downwards, obviously). The winners from the first couple of weeks would then put their winnings and more back in. When the usage slows down, no problem. New machine time!! Rigged or hearsay - you decide My advice is that you play these machines for entertainment (if at all!!) but not to make a profit |
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one of you guys should start a thread an dofficial complaint about them, or petition and it will grow! Make the government ban them!
who's up for it? W ecan start here1 |
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one of you guys should start a thread an dofficial complaint about them, or petition and it will grow! Make the government ban them!
who's up for it? W ecan start here1 |
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Abdo - Known as a loss leader. Set the payout to be generous for the first week or so, 'oooh I like this one, it's easy' think the punters, and can't get enough of it. Drop the payout to the legal minimum, but don't tell anyone, and watch the punters cramming their money in. 'But it's easy, I should be winning by now. Just one more pound.........'. It can be programmed into the FMC to adjust itself after a set number of reboots, so no engineer visit is necessary.
Ever noticed how you seem to win more often from a new batch of National Lottery scratchcards as opposed to one that's already been in the shop for a couple of weeks? They do the same, it is a well known marketing ploy :-) |
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I fully understand the loss leader marketing ploy. My point was more along the lines of "how can a random machine be adjustable!!"
As for the reboot thingy, I'm talking maybe 25 years ago. Technology may have moved on but sharp practice remains constant |
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listen everyone im in a position to make judgement im a casino croupier spent last 20 years workin on a roulette machine, i have also spent the last 3 years betting on bookies roulette machines they are fixed witout a doubt
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listen everyone im in a position to make a judgement i been playing roulette in casinos nearly 20 years and play on bookies roulette machines they are fixed without a doubt but it cant be proved.why dont they just have a spin every 5 mins and every one can put their bets on then spin the wheel and the number that ut lands on will be the same in every bookies in the country ....they cant do that becausre they wouldnt be able to**that.
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If it aint fixed dont break it.
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**has a massive gambling problem
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Not fixed.
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who cares if you have a spare bit of money and find it entertaining why not do it, you have a chance of winning still.
just dont take it seriously and get annoyed when you lose |
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Very true - well said.
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97% payout only if you back34 numbers per spin.
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i see this bloke come in bookies and put 10 on 28,29,30 and just keep doing it till it comes in and he has took 1500 from the bookies in 2days
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downpayment on previous losses.
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Use the Warhog to increase your profits and try to camp when the Covenant starts crawling in local casino, this way I can guarantee you that no matter what you'll win for sure. An Advice: Do not ever attempt to throw a plasma grenade at the dealer! Ever!
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Once when I was using one for roulette it went TWELVE spins on black in a row. Which was nice for them because I was on red.
Now, each spin is supposedly independently generated by random softwear... but I find it difficult to believe after that little incident. Has anyone ever seen a mechanical wheel deliver twelve of the same colour in a row? |
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My view is that they do payout around the 97.7% payout that a real roullette table does, but that after a heavy loss, the machine goes into a "recouping" phase, which is why people complain that they feel it feels "fruit machine like".
I think the element of real chance is taken away then, however over the long run, they will payout the proper percentage. |
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Having worked in a bookies for the past three years, I am open to some information many routine players are not. Here are some statistics to my girlfriend's LBO - as of the last three weeks.
Week 1. - 59.50 profit. Just to summarise, the turnover for the week was just over 11,000. Week 2. 398.22 loss. Week 3. 643.80 loss. Turnover was actually up - to 13,000. Please - everyone who moans every day about machines being rigged, PLEASE listen. If you bet black only, you have more chance of losing than winning. If you bet red, you have more chance of losing than winning. All casinos make money through the in-built, profitable system of the game. Every LBO will eventually make back money they have lost. Roulette is a game of luck. 13 blacks in a row is, admittedly, if you bet red, unlucky. However, that is all it is. It is not a** It could very well have been 13 reds. Or 13 )'s. And for those who bet five numbers, lose twice and declare it a**- you're a**. |
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You worked in bookies last 3 years and are amazed by the turnover being up when bookies are losing, this is always the case 99 out 100, more money back to turnover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are right, they are not fixed, make the 3% like they should! Tip for your g/f, have a promotion on the other games like bingo, 7% profit, some of them games like spoof for instance had a 11% profit, get people playing on these you will see your profits go up! |