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19 Nov 07
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i know that this has been said many times but they really are a joke.
i dont go in shops much these days but when i do i,ll try a tenner and see if i can win a bit but 95% of the time i dont even get more than 2 spins before its gone.
u think they might let u get to say 50 now and again ,i dont think ive ever cashed out of one yet EVER..
i dont go in shops much these days but when i do i,ll try a tenner and see if i can win a bit but 95% of the time i dont even get more than 2 spins before its gone.
u think they might let u get to say 50 now and again ,i dont think ive ever cashed out of one yet EVER..
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self exclusion is the answer, started off with my local shop then found i was driving further out to get my**.one by one..usually after a mare i excluded myself from the lot..
now been ten months and it is without doubt the best thing ive ever done....I told my mates never to tell me how they get on now i dont even think about them except coming on here now and again to remind me how evil these thing are...
Good luck !! if i can do it anyone can !!!
now been ten months and it is without doubt the best thing ive ever done....I told my mates never to tell me how they get on now i dont even think about them except coming on here now and again to remind me how evil these thing are...
Good luck !! if i can do it anyone can !!!
Never play the roulette, but the single deck BJ in Ladbrokes dosnt seem too bad, you do get spells when the banker is making 20/21 regularly, but also spells when he is busting regularly.
To be honest i just hit and run, stick 20 in, get up to say 28/29/30 ish, collect, stick an ante-post bet on with the winnings ( current projects are Spain for WC & Special Duty for 1000 guineas )
Stick to low stakes, i just start off with 2 x £2 hands, up to max of 2 x £5 hands.... sometimes when i get up to 30, drop it to 2 x £1 hands, then just carry on until banker beats me on both hands - sometimes get a decent winning run.
I win about 8 out of 10 visits, got £250 running on Spain now and abouut 80 on Special Duty.
If it takes the initial 20 off me i walk and come back another day.
If you are not greedy you can make regular small profits.
To be honest i just hit and run, stick 20 in, get up to say 28/29/30 ish, collect, stick an ante-post bet on with the winnings ( current projects are Spain for WC & Special Duty for 1000 guineas )
Stick to low stakes, i just start off with 2 x £2 hands, up to max of 2 x £5 hands.... sometimes when i get up to 30, drop it to 2 x £1 hands, then just carry on until banker beats me on both hands - sometimes get a decent winning run.
I win about 8 out of 10 visits, got £250 running on Spain now and abouut 80 on Special Duty.
If it takes the initial 20 off me i walk and come back another day.
If you are not greedy you can make regular small profits.
"If you are not greedy you can make regular small profits."
Sorry, but you just can't. This is such a common assertion.
Greed has nothing to do with it. You could be as careful as you like. The simple fact is, the more you play, the more you will lose.
Sorry, but you just can't. This is such a common assertion.
Greed has nothing to do with it. You could be as careful as you like. The simple fact is, the more you play, the more you will lose.
The last few messages are very poignant. I am amongst a number of people of this thread who have said the machines are "fixed" - the piece about the ability of the house (bookie) to alter the odds to the lowest acceptable by his punters reinforces this point.
However, putting this point aside, I agree with every word about the instant addiction factor. And as for "not being greedy" - or playing with discipline, I agree - it just doesn't work!!!!
The addiction gets you. The need to meet your profit margin gets you.
EG: Long time ago, I thought, I'll go in, just put £20 in each machine (rather than £80 in one, in one go) - and when I get to £30 I'll collect - I'll be happy with £40 profit.
£40 is "not much to expect" - So you start off......
A number of things happen.......but within those 4 machines, you'll almost certainly have a "wipeout" (-£20) - so what do you do - put some more in.........and still chase the £10 profit - it's almost like the martingale system really.
The REALLY REALLY difficult thing to do (for most gamblers, not just the really really addicted) is to walk away from these machines taking a loss........so u stick £50 in......u play for 20 mins (if you're lucky!!!) - and having varied between a balance of,say, £20 and £80 - you're currently at £36......what % of people would say, my luck's not in - I'll accept my loss of £14 and leave.....not many - u play on - until you have 0 (most likely) or until you win enough that you consider worth stopping for....that's where greed comes in - what is enough??? Given the "potential" wins.....that figure can vary high into the stratosphere - even if you set yourself targets, generally it can be extremely hard to stick by them - especially if a particularly good spin takes you sailing past your target - and that much closer to a new target.
The shops did introduce (or were probably forced to) some "anti-addiction" methods a few years back - these were basically the time delay between spins - and also the time it took to calculate your winnings......I remember the time delay being quite noticable. With the old Ladbrokes machine, they now have a time delay between spins - but only on some of their roulette versions - however, lots of ladbrokes have new machines - and these do NOT have any such delays. What the shops have done instead is to extend the "length" of the spin - going back to the previous messages - this simply enhances the addiction factor because the player watches the graphics - rather than feeling put out by articificial time delays......the shops were also forced into offering the "collect or add to credit" option for wins over £50
Howver, apart from everything about the machines being WRONG WRONG WRONG - the one feature which should be BANNED to temper the effect that addiction can have is the REPEAT button.
Also, apart from old style Ladbrokes machines again, in order to collect ones money, there is always the need to go back to main menu and print receipt - whereas there are often multiple single touch repeat buttons. Also, all machines allow you to press repeat and then "top up your bet" (with possible wins or more likely more money fed in) - but the option to remove *****for your next spin is a rarity.
However, putting this point aside, I agree with every word about the instant addiction factor. And as for "not being greedy" - or playing with discipline, I agree - it just doesn't work!!!!
The addiction gets you. The need to meet your profit margin gets you.
EG: Long time ago, I thought, I'll go in, just put £20 in each machine (rather than £80 in one, in one go) - and when I get to £30 I'll collect - I'll be happy with £40 profit.
£40 is "not much to expect" - So you start off......
A number of things happen.......but within those 4 machines, you'll almost certainly have a "wipeout" (-£20) - so what do you do - put some more in.........and still chase the £10 profit - it's almost like the martingale system really.
The REALLY REALLY difficult thing to do (for most gamblers, not just the really really addicted) is to walk away from these machines taking a loss........so u stick £50 in......u play for 20 mins (if you're lucky!!!) - and having varied between a balance of,say, £20 and £80 - you're currently at £36......what % of people would say, my luck's not in - I'll accept my loss of £14 and leave.....not many - u play on - until you have 0 (most likely) or until you win enough that you consider worth stopping for....that's where greed comes in - what is enough??? Given the "potential" wins.....that figure can vary high into the stratosphere - even if you set yourself targets, generally it can be extremely hard to stick by them - especially if a particularly good spin takes you sailing past your target - and that much closer to a new target.
The shops did introduce (or were probably forced to) some "anti-addiction" methods a few years back - these were basically the time delay between spins - and also the time it took to calculate your winnings......I remember the time delay being quite noticable. With the old Ladbrokes machine, they now have a time delay between spins - but only on some of their roulette versions - however, lots of ladbrokes have new machines - and these do NOT have any such delays. What the shops have done instead is to extend the "length" of the spin - going back to the previous messages - this simply enhances the addiction factor because the player watches the graphics - rather than feeling put out by articificial time delays......the shops were also forced into offering the "collect or add to credit" option for wins over £50
Howver, apart from everything about the machines being WRONG WRONG WRONG - the one feature which should be BANNED to temper the effect that addiction can have is the REPEAT button.
Also, apart from old style Ladbrokes machines again, in order to collect ones money, there is always the need to go back to main menu and print receipt - whereas there are often multiple single touch repeat buttons. Also, all machines allow you to press repeat and then "top up your bet" (with possible wins or more likely more money fed in) - but the option to remove *****for your next spin is a rarity.
Problem also is that even when you do get the courage to press that collect button and collect your money you have to walk back past the damn thing to get to the door holding a wad of notes .
its virtually impossible not to stick one more tenner in which leads to another one then you start thing**ive got to get my winnings back and we all know what happens next.
its virtually impossible not to stick one more tenner in which leads to another one then you start thing**ive got to get my winnings back and we all know what happens next.
I think many punters will recognise that feeling too.
As for setting oneself targets etc., here's an extremely stupifying episode that has happened to me today.
I was in LBrokes - playing the FOBTs - stupid idea I know - anyway - cut a long story short - after a few losses early on - I managed to build a bit of a profit - and then as my balance went sailing past £300, I said to myself I would collect when I got to £400.
I was betting in no real set pattern - covering lots of numbers, sometimes betting £100 a spin, and then losing courage and coming down to £35-40 a spin - anyway - I managed to stay in the £300's for a long period of time - without really threatening to get to £400 - then a few wins later, I got to £370ish - and I thought - two more win spins and I'm there - inevitably they didn't come - but after a few more spins, I managed to get to £394!!!
I then cut my stake right back to £25 - covering 34 numbers!! - and pressed start - I won £2, then repeat, and I won £2.75, and then pressed start again and won 50p -
so I was at £399.25 - during those three spins I had upped my stake to about £40 - covering much the same numbers but focussing on about 21 numbers to try to break thru that £400 barrier....
alas - next number came in - and lost me £30.
Cut a sad story very short - kept upping my stake - kept losing a little bit each spin - down to about £355 now - and then at a £74 spin, one of those other 3 numbers (nothing on) makes an appearance -
then I went on the chase again - 10 mins later - walked out with nothing.
Came on here - put £30 in my betfair casino account, played moderately for a few spins - managed to get up to about £55 - so upped my stake to max (£25) - and winners kept flowing in - (covering 24 numbers, and 6 other numbers with splits - small losses) - got it up to £110 - and then it hit a losing split (-£6), another losing split (-£11), and then THREE wipeouts on the bounce, and then with the remaining £18ish that I had left, I changed my bet - and it took 2 more spins to wipe me out.
Hmmm....not my lucky day one might say (altho I know there was a lot of stupidity involved in LBrokes!!!)
As for setting oneself targets etc., here's an extremely stupifying episode that has happened to me today.
I was in LBrokes - playing the FOBTs - stupid idea I know - anyway - cut a long story short - after a few losses early on - I managed to build a bit of a profit - and then as my balance went sailing past £300, I said to myself I would collect when I got to £400.
I was betting in no real set pattern - covering lots of numbers, sometimes betting £100 a spin, and then losing courage and coming down to £35-40 a spin - anyway - I managed to stay in the £300's for a long period of time - without really threatening to get to £400 - then a few wins later, I got to £370ish - and I thought - two more win spins and I'm there - inevitably they didn't come - but after a few more spins, I managed to get to £394!!!
I then cut my stake right back to £25 - covering 34 numbers!! - and pressed start - I won £2, then repeat, and I won £2.75, and then pressed start again and won 50p -
so I was at £399.25 - during those three spins I had upped my stake to about £40 - covering much the same numbers but focussing on about 21 numbers to try to break thru that £400 barrier....
alas - next number came in - and lost me £30.
Cut a sad story very short - kept upping my stake - kept losing a little bit each spin - down to about £355 now - and then at a £74 spin, one of those other 3 numbers (nothing on) makes an appearance -
then I went on the chase again - 10 mins later - walked out with nothing.
Came on here - put £30 in my betfair casino account, played moderately for a few spins - managed to get up to about £55 - so upped my stake to max (£25) - and winners kept flowing in - (covering 24 numbers, and 6 other numbers with splits - small losses) - got it up to £110 - and then it hit a losing split (-£6), another losing split (-£11), and then THREE wipeouts on the bounce, and then with the remaining £18ish that I had left, I changed my bet - and it took 2 more spins to wipe me out.
Hmmm....not my lucky day one might say (altho I know there was a lot of stupidity involved in LBrokes!!!)
i haven't read any of this but...
i have made withdrawls on these dispite hardly playing them.
all you have to do in my opinion, to give yourself the best chance at collecting is to reduce the number of spins you make.
it stands to reason the more spins you play the more you are giving away.
i typically play between 20-40£. i whack it in and usually slam it on the last 12 1st spin. if that wins i cover either high or maybe a colour. i may even go for 2/3rds on high 12 with rest on middle 3rd to give me an extra life to do the same again if the middle comes.
either way after 3 or 4 spins i am either up or i lost my initial deppo. i dont play them for fun, i hate them coz i know they grab me. i just pick my chance and go for it.
of course, there is always the chance that u get sucked in for me, and this has happened a couple of times.
best way is not to play them, if u do, decide how much u want to win off your disposable start stack and play the lot in as few spins as possible.
i have made withdrawls on these dispite hardly playing them.
all you have to do in my opinion, to give yourself the best chance at collecting is to reduce the number of spins you make.
it stands to reason the more spins you play the more you are giving away.
i typically play between 20-40£. i whack it in and usually slam it on the last 12 1st spin. if that wins i cover either high or maybe a colour. i may even go for 2/3rds on high 12 with rest on middle 3rd to give me an extra life to do the same again if the middle comes.
either way after 3 or 4 spins i am either up or i lost my initial deppo. i dont play them for fun, i hate them coz i know they grab me. i just pick my chance and go for it.
of course, there is always the chance that u get sucked in for me, and this has happened a couple of times.
best way is not to play them, if u do, decide how much u want to win off your disposable start stack and play the lot in as few spins as possible.
with punters backing average 12 numbers per spin ....usually birthdays or some silly guess........they have lost 9+ bets all ready......i have won money on fobt.s.......by giving myself a good spread on the wheel.........havent played for 5 years now.......but an easy way to check in any shop ..look at past numbers....13-14-23-24.
were my bets purely on numbers spread....and i have bet the max many times......on each number.
some of the biggest mugs ever on this fred, chumps
Totally agree Win Only.
Frightening really: Its these kind of mugs that vote the government in.
Frightening really: Its these kind of mugs that vote the government in.
give up your casino games, etc....its all the same, its designed to take your cash....mugs game...
at least in sports/racing betting there is an element of skill required.....
can't believe this topic has generated such interest.....
at least in sports/racing betting there is an element of skill required.....
can't believe this topic has generated such interest.....
Over the years lost over£50 k on them my wife has left with the kids and i leave in a rented bedsit now
Try to avoid the bookies now FOBT are evil like the plague there is no way you can win in the end your'll lose
no fbots ! no bookies ! bill hills 900 mil over there heads need fbots otherwise go bust ! ban them !
Haven't posted on here before but feel compelled to make some comments on this topic.
Firstly, there are lots of debates whether these FOBT are fixed or not. I believe that there is a good chance that they are. However, either way, I firmly believe that they are extremely bad news. I understand that there some people who play them for a bit of fun and fair play to them. On the flip side of that I think that there are far more people who become involved with them in a very damaging way. I would consider myself one of those people. I hear some people already shouting 'mug' out aloud. . . and I can understand that as it makes no sense to bet on something where more often than not you lose. I have wasted so much of my hard earned cash on these things over the past 6 or 7 years and I keep coming back for more. I would consider myself to be a fairly intelligent guy - university educated and a chartered accoutant with a big four 4 firm but I have a massive weakness with these things. And I know I'm not alone . . . I see people every day who appear to be totally manic with them - talking to themselves and getting angry - I tend to be more placid externally . . but very troubled internally. . . . apologies if I am rambling on - I have had a couple of glasses wine tonight.
All I would say is that if there is anyone out there who is beginning to get involved with these things - then don't. It's a very slippery slope . I understand that everyone is different and some people can control themselves but I can not and there are plenty of others that can not either. I have had spells where I have stayed away and they are great times and I am currently away from them and hope to stay that way for as long as possible. Buit one day at a time . . .
I wish they had never had been invented or brought into betting shops. . . or the maximum bets reduced. . . but unfortunately they are here to stay, so I hope that people can control their habit, or if like me they can not, seekl help . . I have attended GA off and on and reaped the benefits.
Anyway, I'm off for another glass of wine.
Firstly, there are lots of debates whether these FOBT are fixed or not. I believe that there is a good chance that they are. However, either way, I firmly believe that they are extremely bad news. I understand that there some people who play them for a bit of fun and fair play to them. On the flip side of that I think that there are far more people who become involved with them in a very damaging way. I would consider myself one of those people. I hear some people already shouting 'mug' out aloud. . . and I can understand that as it makes no sense to bet on something where more often than not you lose. I have wasted so much of my hard earned cash on these things over the past 6 or 7 years and I keep coming back for more. I would consider myself to be a fairly intelligent guy - university educated and a chartered accoutant with a big four 4 firm but I have a massive weakness with these things. And I know I'm not alone . . . I see people every day who appear to be totally manic with them - talking to themselves and getting angry - I tend to be more placid externally . . but very troubled internally. . . . apologies if I am rambling on - I have had a couple of glasses wine tonight.
All I would say is that if there is anyone out there who is beginning to get involved with these things - then don't. It's a very slippery slope . I understand that everyone is different and some people can control themselves but I can not and there are plenty of others that can not either. I have had spells where I have stayed away and they are great times and I am currently away from them and hope to stay that way for as long as possible. Buit one day at a time . . .
I wish they had never had been invented or brought into betting shops. . . or the maximum bets reduced. . . but unfortunately they are here to stay, so I hope that people can control their habit, or if like me they can not, seekl help . . I have attended GA off and on and reaped the benefits.
Anyway, I'm off for another glass of wine.
I would also like to add that I can bet / trade / gamble via all other medium without any issues at all - for some reason FBOT are the worst for me.
pauly,
u sound very similar to me - with similar views - it'd be great to have a one on one chat about it (via email) - I guess we can't give out email addresses on here - but if you try bigmac799 and then attach a google mail bit at the end - you could get in touch with me - I would be fascinated to chat to you about it.....
good luck with the abstention.
u sound very similar to me - with similar views - it'd be great to have a one on one chat about it (via email) - I guess we can't give out email addresses on here - but if you try bigmac799 and then attach a google mail bit at the end - you could get in touch with me - I would be fascinated to chat to you about it.....
good luck with the abstention.
Sounds like you might need to be attending AA as well quite soon.
Up £1,400 today thanks to these machine, pretty much down to having £10 on 5 and it came in two spins on the bounce.
Yes I've had days in the past when I've lost £200/£300 but it's a great buzz to get a good win. I don't think they're fixed. Why would 5 with £10 on it come out twice in a row if they were? It's just random. Somedays you have lucky days, other days your luck is out.
Yes I've had days in the past when I've lost £200/£300 but it's a great buzz to get a good win. I don't think they're fixed. Why would 5 with £10 on it come out twice in a row if they were? It's just random. Somedays you have lucky days, other days your luck is out.
I agree with Forest,you have lucky days and unlucky ones, its as simple as that,it is as much the same on the horses and football bets.It would be brilliant if you could pinpoint the lucky ones but as they are as random as the number generator machine im afraid.
I think they are fixed, was 172 pounds up for 30 mins hit every number I had give or take one or 2 spins, then never hit a number for a dozen spins in a row ended up with 27 quid, still won 17 quid and had a great buzz, nearly imposible to go from 10 pounds on horses to nearlt 200
and it was a reply not a thread, so can i nominate you for most stupidest abuse of a thread that was only a reply ,ever
Study a machine ,watch them all play,wait till they all have lost,then step in.
Decent thread this. All I can say is they aren't worth messing with. You CAN'T beat 'em so why bother, have a pint instead you'll enjoy it more.
it so sad when they say cant aford a pint and yet spent 40s 50s on those things
and i dont understand that later it oh here a pint and they say can i borrow a tenner to only to run back on them
stay away they are evil things
and i dont understand that later it oh here a pint and they say can i borrow a tenner to only to run back on them
stay away they are evil things
They provide an excellent service in my opinion.
Save up all your 10p 20p and 50p and £1/£2 coins for a while then when you have accumulated a reasonable sum deposit them in the FOBT machine
Bet £3.60 black, £3.60 red, 20p on green, and spin the wheel.
After 1 spin, walk away - print out your receipt and exchange it for notes at the pay-out counter.
It's a much better option than counting up all the coins yourself, plus there's no bagging involved and the inevitable waiting in a queue at the bank to credit your account. Additionally the bookies are more customer service friendly by having longer opening hours than the banks - they are even open on Sundays.
This is an excellent service by the bookies for which we should be grateful - and they only charge you 20p for this i.e. your one spin loss.
Additionally you will also be helping the shop staff by giving them something to do in those quiet evening openings when you are lucky to see a couple of punters inside - they will love to spend their time counting up the coins.
Save up all your 10p 20p and 50p and £1/£2 coins for a while then when you have accumulated a reasonable sum deposit them in the FOBT machine
Bet £3.60 black, £3.60 red, 20p on green, and spin the wheel.
After 1 spin, walk away - print out your receipt and exchange it for notes at the pay-out counter.
It's a much better option than counting up all the coins yourself, plus there's no bagging involved and the inevitable waiting in a queue at the bank to credit your account. Additionally the bookies are more customer service friendly by having longer opening hours than the banks - they are even open on Sundays.
This is an excellent service by the bookies for which we should be grateful - and they only charge you 20p for this i.e. your one spin loss.
Additionally you will also be helping the shop staff by giving them something to do in those quiet evening openings when you are lucky to see a couple of punters inside - they will love to spend their time counting up the coins.
why waste the 20p on a spin, just put the coins in
and press collect
and press collect
i changed over £300 in silvers in a FOBT then waited for the staff to empty it
oh how i laughed when little fatty was missing eastenders on the shop tele cos she was counting my shrapnel
oh how i laughed when little fatty was missing eastenders on the shop tele cos she was counting my shrapnel
One of my mates got told off by the manager for putting loadsa change in a fobt and pressing collect, ladcrookes joker
My self exclusion finished new years eve so went in there to renew it, as all the staff had changed no-one knew me so i stuck a nifty in a darlek and took out £200.. i was now hooked again, won the next four days got £850 up then guess what , the darleks revenge why i took all my profits in i do not know, took the whole lot, rushed home like lewis hamilton got another £200 and lost that in a clouded daze, a thousand and fifty quid in a couple of hours.
least now my exclusion is back on so i wont have to put myself through it again. its the only way wish more would do it to stop the misery.
least now my exclusion is back on so i wont have to put myself through it again. its the only way wish more would do it to stop the misery.
Mr Stupid hope this helps
I'm a bookie, I implore all my customers to not play to win, play for fun, thats all they should be. you can't beat a machine that pays 97% or whatever it is,pure and simple. I admit I play them, I get good wins sometimes, other times I lose my head and then walk wondering why I done that, you can't beat machines, end of! There are no trends, no plans, no good or bad machines, no theories, no scripts. It would be the same if you went to a casino, you continue to play roulette, you lose, plan and simple. You've only yourselves to blame if you have done your nuts in them, get self excluded if its that much of a problem, if you're stupid enough to believe you can beat a machine designed to make profit. Play for fun!! You'll hit a good run every now and then maybe but never chase, no matter hard it is not to. Basically, if you can't walk away a tenner down after having a couple of spins then don't play them.
They exploit the mathematically challenged.
I see these poor depressed fekkers everyday with their stupid theories. Sometimes I try to politely explain but it won't sink in. It seems alot of folk have trouble with the concept of randomness. They cannot see that in the extreme long run, every time they spin the wheel for £100 they are donating roughly £3 for the pleasure.
In olden times a clueless gambler would have a bit of time to cool off before the next race.
Even though a horse race works on a much higher rake, a single spin on the roulette to a pinsticker would represent better value. Once he starts respinning though it is a slow spiral to skintsville. It is all about turnover and those things really do turn it over quick.
100 less 3% = £97 less 3% = apx £94 less 3% =apx £91....£88,£86,£83,£80,........
You've been had for £20 and you've been playing it for 7 spins, its taken two and a half minutes but you musn't grumble because thats bang on average. What do you expect? Often the poor sod expects all sorts of crazy stuff because he/she doesn't understand what to expect (Exploitation)
The trouble people have with the above example is that it is not generally how it goes.
Its distribution is highly variable, so isolated sessions will be highly variable. If you were to play them regularly throughout your life and recorded every spin you ever made, you would have lost very close to 3% of EVERY single spin you ever made. For those who never learn thats alot of money,. Still as long as they are doing it responsibly within their limits and having a coffee in a plastic cup, it's only a small minority who have a problem, ******.
The machines are the same as real wheels. They are random. They do not need to be fixed.
They have no memory. They do not care where your *****are. They encourage compulsive addicts and are destroying racing. I wish they would be banned but cannot see it happening. Only four per shop, so more and more bookies have appeared, more and more misery for the vunerable. Lovely business, very little to do with racing these days.
3% sounds small but it is 3% of every single spin, did I mention that? EVERY SPIN
I'm a bookie, I implore all my customers to not play to win, play for fun, thats all they should be. you can't beat a machine that pays 97% or whatever it is,pure and simple. I admit I play them, I get good wins sometimes, other times I lose my head and then walk wondering why I done that, you can't beat machines, end of! There are no trends, no plans, no good or bad machines, no theories, no scripts. It would be the same if you went to a casino, you continue to play roulette, you lose, plan and simple. You've only yourselves to blame if you have done your nuts in them, get self excluded if its that much of a problem, if you're stupid enough to believe you can beat a machine designed to make profit. Play for fun!! You'll hit a good run every now and then maybe but never chase, no matter hard it is not to. Basically, if you can't walk away a tenner down after having a couple of spins then don't play them.
They exploit the mathematically challenged.
I see these poor depressed fekkers everyday with their stupid theories. Sometimes I try to politely explain but it won't sink in. It seems alot of folk have trouble with the concept of randomness. They cannot see that in the extreme long run, every time they spin the wheel for £100 they are donating roughly £3 for the pleasure.
In olden times a clueless gambler would have a bit of time to cool off before the next race.
Even though a horse race works on a much higher rake, a single spin on the roulette to a pinsticker would represent better value. Once he starts respinning though it is a slow spiral to skintsville. It is all about turnover and those things really do turn it over quick.
100 less 3% = £97 less 3% = apx £94 less 3% =apx £91....£88,£86,£83,£80,........
You've been had for £20 and you've been playing it for 7 spins, its taken two and a half minutes but you musn't grumble because thats bang on average. What do you expect? Often the poor sod expects all sorts of crazy stuff because he/she doesn't understand what to expect (Exploitation)
The trouble people have with the above example is that it is not generally how it goes.
Its distribution is highly variable, so isolated sessions will be highly variable. If you were to play them regularly throughout your life and recorded every spin you ever made, you would have lost very close to 3% of EVERY single spin you ever made. For those who never learn thats alot of money,. Still as long as they are doing it responsibly within their limits and having a coffee in a plastic cup, it's only a small minority who have a problem, ******.
The machines are the same as real wheels. They are random. They do not need to be fixed.
They have no memory. They do not care where your *****are. They encourage compulsive addicts and are destroying racing. I wish they would be banned but cannot see it happening. Only four per shop, so more and more bookies have appeared, more and more misery for the vunerable. Lovely business, very little to do with racing these days.
3% sounds small but it is 3% of every single spin, did I mention that? EVERY SPIN
unfortunately you are completely wrong with your theory that these machine are random and that the wheel has no memory. This is true with real roulette wheels in casinos, but with these machines surely the fact that they give you every possible percentage for the last 100 spins show they do have a memory, and the fact they have RAM, shows they have memory.
I used to manage bookies too and have watched people play these machines spinning £100 a time covering so many numbers that their best win would be £200 odd (or another 2 spins) and 30 out of 36 numbers would be losses, and even 2 or 3 not even covered, but they cannot see that they might as well just of put £3 on each of the 4 winning numbers. But saying that still the amount of times it would fall in the lowest covered number was more than just random, they are fixed.
If these machines were truly random, then each would have its own RNG, rather than all being linked, it is well known if you press 2 machines at the same time you get the same number. It is far easier to guarantee a profit whilst letting some people win reasonable amounts by linking all machines thus letting the lowest liability number spin in even if one person in a shop has £13 on it. If this wasn't the case you would not get the message "waiting for next draw" while all the machines align, you would be able to spin each individual machine when ever you want.
It is impossible to win long term on these machines and I now have the discipline not to touch them, you can almost laugh when you went onto the slots and they state straight away that every spin is completely random, yet they have a minimum percentage payout, randomness does not offer minimums!!
Good luck if you play them but you cannot win.
I used to manage bookies too and have watched people play these machines spinning £100 a time covering so many numbers that their best win would be £200 odd (or another 2 spins) and 30 out of 36 numbers would be losses, and even 2 or 3 not even covered, but they cannot see that they might as well just of put £3 on each of the 4 winning numbers. But saying that still the amount of times it would fall in the lowest covered number was more than just random, they are fixed.
If these machines were truly random, then each would have its own RNG, rather than all being linked, it is well known if you press 2 machines at the same time you get the same number. It is far easier to guarantee a profit whilst letting some people win reasonable amounts by linking all machines thus letting the lowest liability number spin in even if one person in a shop has £13 on it. If this wasn't the case you would not get the message "waiting for next draw" while all the machines align, you would be able to spin each individual machine when ever you want.
It is impossible to win long term on these machines and I now have the discipline not to touch them, you can almost laugh when you went onto the slots and they state straight away that every spin is completely random, yet they have a minimum percentage payout, randomness does not offer minimums!!
Good luck if you play them but you cannot win.
I agree you cannot win, but typhoon stated that they do not need to be fixed due to the built-in house edge on every spin. This guarantees profit for the machine owner.
That is not to say they cannot be fixed, but the minimum payout on the roulette machines is just a reflection of the house edge, due to only paying 35/1 on a single number against true odds of 36/1 and the confiscation of outside bets stakes when the zero is drawn.
That is not to say they cannot be fixed, but the minimum payout on the roulette machines is just a reflection of the house edge, due to only paying 35/1 on a single number against true odds of 36/1 and the confiscation of outside bets stakes when the zero is drawn.
Obviously your description of the machines being linked is interesting and, if true, would raise doubts over their fairness. A bit like the fixed complaints about x-games.
if these were truly random then they could spin on their own merit, have you never been in a shop during bad weather when the pictures go? The FOBT's also go as they are sent the numbers by satellite and are truly not a stand alone RNG. All controlled centrally, to ensure a profit. Yes it is true that roullette has a 2% house edge, but bookies are a business with overheads that cannot and will not rely on long term house edge to make a profit.
For anyone who believes they are not fixed go into one and bet Red for 20 spins then black for 20 spins and see the patterns that arise. You will not finish 2% down as stated due to the edge, and before you all jump on the fact that this is a long term percentage, try as many times as you want, you will find it will be more 15-20% down each time.
For anyone who believes they are not fixed go into one and bet Red for 20 spins then black for 20 spins and see the patterns that arise. You will not finish 2% down as stated due to the edge, and before you all jump on the fact that this is a long term percentage, try as many times as you want, you will find it will be more 15-20% down each time.
if you want to win small amounts the only way i can see you can win is wait for a mug punter that does £100.00 spins covering most numbers, and bet on the ones he is not covering and try and push your button at the same time as him, keep to small stakes so not to win more than he is betting. I call this the "Robin Hood" system as it will rob the rich and pay the poor ;-)
Don't know if this system works ^^^^ but I sure as hell like the name :-)
Don't know if this system works ^^^^ but I sure as hell like the name :-)
I have been reliably informed,that although random selection.there are more than 37 Balls in the draw.
The best way to keep the results random, is for the RNG to produce say 100 numbers in advance and then the software algorithm selects one from these to maximise the profits across all machines in the network.
IN this way the system would stand up to any randomness audit that may be undertaken by registration authorities.
But surely there would always be disgruntled employees who would blow the whistle?
IN this way the system would stand up to any randomness audit that may be undertaken by registration authorities.
But surely there would always be disgruntled employees who would blow the whistle?
If you read any auidit done on any RNG including all poker sites, the statement from the auditors always states"a sample of X amount of spins/hands SUPPLIED TO US was tested" and provien to be random. X is normally in the region of 250,000 When a poker site or bookie do these amounts in a day it is very easy for them to supply a totally random sample as for one day this can be turned to random with no long term effect on the business.
The only way this would ever be proved if the government did spot checks, checking the amount bet on each number on each spin and see the results of payouts and possible payouts, but the government get paid tax on profits not turnover, so what would they prefer? ;-)
The only way this would ever be proved if the government did spot checks, checking the amount bet on each number on each spin and see the results of payouts and possible payouts, but the government get paid tax on profits not turnover, so what would they prefer? ;-)
I agree it's an impossible fraud to crack.
A whistleblower that knew the intricacies of the system, might be the only way.
A whistleblower that knew the intricacies of the system, might be the only way.
CATWIWONTWIN; if you want you can see my books, stakes on the FOBTs (not money but stakes) £910000 pay out £891520 profit of £18473 or 2.03%
They are RANDOM but I wish they werent.
They are RANDOM but I wish they werent.
So the profit roughly equals the built-in house edge?
That seems to prove there is no**
That seems to prove there is no**
I know of weeks where shops have "lost" still another shop makes more and the % is all levelled out.
A shop I used to manage lost over the course of an entire month, but then of course made it back to the tune of about 2.5% profit on turnover over the year. As stated before by Typhoon Ginger, the machines rely on high turnover, not a big margin or**element. That is the key to their success, although the profit of FOBT is probably about 40% of an average shop's profit, the turnover is about 85% of the total turnover of the shop
All those profit/turnover figures suggest that high street sports betting will all but disappear in the next few years.
at last some sane people who are posting on this subject, these machines and the people who put them in the shops are evil, destroyed lots of lives and families i would bet.
but sadly they are here to stay and also totally RANDOM, they just rely on the addicts who are so delighted to throw their wages and more away each week.
but sadly they are here to stay and also totally RANDOM, they just rely on the addicts who are so delighted to throw their wages and more away each week.
Keep away from these fkn machines they are like a drug.
I met a friend of mine in bookies tonight (we are buying a greyhound between us!!!!)
i seen a guy doing £600 in 20 minutes!!!!!
Its cruel,the bookies have no morals...glad i do all my betting on internet...u cannot walk out of the bookies with a profit
If you are a mug punter u are foooooooookked!!
virtual greyhounds,horses speedway and f1 sometimes the actual racing being pushed to the side,
Alkso a guy at my work built up a bank on football over about 6 months was up about £1500 blew it all in an afternoon on roulette at loacl betfred. his wife has thrown him out and he has foook all to his name.
Horrible horrible machines
I met a friend of mine in bookies tonight (we are buying a greyhound between us!!!!)
i seen a guy doing £600 in 20 minutes!!!!!
Its cruel,the bookies have no morals...glad i do all my betting on internet...u cannot walk out of the bookies with a profit
If you are a mug punter u are foooooooookked!!
virtual greyhounds,horses speedway and f1 sometimes the actual racing being pushed to the side,
Alkso a guy at my work built up a bank on football over about 6 months was up about £1500 blew it all in an afternoon on roulette at loacl betfred. his wife has thrown him out and he has foook all to his name.
Horrible horrible machines
Your mate does have something to his name - the title of "Mug Punter of the Month"
What amazes me is that you can go into a casino, get hammered, lose a few thousand and no one blinks an eye, but do it in the bookies and all hell is unleashed.
they are glorified fruit machines.
They are not random as there is a max pay out, and if you see 2 machines next to each other and spin exactly the same time u get the same number to many times to be random, also if they are random how can people tell you number soon as ball comes out, maybe i should take them to a casino to tell me what to back before " no more bets "
They are not random as there is a max pay out, and if you see 2 machines next to each other and spin exactly the same time u get the same number to many times to be random, also if they are random how can people tell you number soon as ball comes out, maybe i should take them to a casino to tell me what to back before " no more bets "
Taken from Gamcare.......
Hi, please see below a letter i have written to my MP. I have also received a reply which is quite interesting. Anyway, it miight well be time to bombard our legislators and also the gambling commission and the CEO's of the bookmaking companies. It is time for affirmative action.
Dear Mr Cable,
You dont know me but I am one of your constituents.
I am writing to you to ask for your view on
Hi, please see below a letter i have written to my MP. I have also received a reply which is quite interesting. Anyway, it miight well be time to bombard our legislators and also the gambling commission and the CEO's of the bookmaking companies. It is time for affirmative action.
Dear Mr Cable,
You dont know me but I am one of your constituents.
I am writing to you to ask for your view on
The main problem with the average person is the belief that it has to payout eventuallly... they are not a fruit machine that will over time pay out a % of monies put in. You can lose every spin/game... and can equally win every spin/game.
I can't see anything wrong with such machines as any addict will just find another means to gamble.
I can't see anything wrong with such machines as any addict will just find another means to gamble.
lo ppl i been playing the4se machines reguarly for 2 years and its completely obvious there **** were doo i start lol....
ok so when i 1st started playing them i would bet a section my favourite being 16-13 on the actual wheel so thats 10 numbers covered i will add that these type of machines as soon as it spins u can predict the number it will land on within 2 numbers for example the machines in betfred , anyways id bet the section and if the machines were not paying out the ball would land on either 27 which is next too 13 ...or 33 next too 16 1 before or one after my section the amount times this happened on my first bet was rediculous i even tested it in differnt bookmakers with the same machines all with the same results....then theres theres another example were u bet 5 quid on 1 number and spread som lower bets around so the spin starts u can predict within 1 number of were its gonna land and what happens it lands the number right next door happeened again yesterday i had 5 on number 14 ..6 spins later 31 right next door with nothing on it came out 3 times .... this is a regulare occurence and often the next door number will double up if u hit the repeat bet then spin then finally theres there other trick too suckker u too keep feeding it u mightg bet on a few numbers put some hight stake on like 3 quid a number say u pick 5 numbers and u have5 spins and hit non so u chnnage the numbers too 5 different 1nes what will next 5 numbers be lol they be the 1nes uve just betted on and took the bet off guaranteed u will see least 2 them numbers in next 5 spins , i mean if u bet red black for 10 spins guaranteed too hit 0
i mean all these thinggs combined mean they are totally fixed theyve tested these machines to fustrate and anoy you so u keep putting money in ....now and again they will loosen the machines so it produces more winning numbers so u could play on all 4 machines with 20 quid a machine and win a few hundred on em all then the next day u cant hit anythink ,lol it even said on the machine totally random but see are website for the percentage of payout. anyways ur best bet is wait till some 1 wastes 500 in the machine then put a few quid on any 1 number ...comes in most times.
ok so when i 1st started playing them i would bet a section my favourite being 16-13 on the actual wheel so thats 10 numbers covered i will add that these type of machines as soon as it spins u can predict the number it will land on within 2 numbers for example the machines in betfred , anyways id bet the section and if the machines were not paying out the ball would land on either 27 which is next too 13 ...or 33 next too 16 1 before or one after my section the amount times this happened on my first bet was rediculous i even tested it in differnt bookmakers with the same machines all with the same results....then theres theres another example were u bet 5 quid on 1 number and spread som lower bets around so the spin starts u can predict within 1 number of were its gonna land and what happens it lands the number right next door happeened again yesterday i had 5 on number 14 ..6 spins later 31 right next door with nothing on it came out 3 times .... this is a regulare occurence and often the next door number will double up if u hit the repeat bet then spin then finally theres there other trick too suckker u too keep feeding it u mightg bet on a few numbers put some hight stake on like 3 quid a number say u pick 5 numbers and u have5 spins and hit non so u chnnage the numbers too 5 different 1nes what will next 5 numbers be lol they be the 1nes uve just betted on and took the bet off guaranteed u will see least 2 them numbers in next 5 spins , i mean if u bet red black for 10 spins guaranteed too hit 0
i mean all these thinggs combined mean they are totally fixed theyve tested these machines to fustrate and anoy you so u keep putting money in ....now and again they will loosen the machines so it produces more winning numbers so u could play on all 4 machines with 20 quid a machine and win a few hundred on em all then the next day u cant hit anythink ,lol it even said on the machine totally random but see are website for the percentage of payout. anyways ur best bet is wait till some 1 wastes 500 in the machine then put a few quid on any 1 number ...comes in most times.
My mate who i know from down the pub has told me about the new '2.0' fobts they have in the city. They have eye scanning machines that recognise you when you first start playing. They let you win to begin with but then suck you in then slowly they take all your money off you.
I thought i'd better do the decent thing and test this out. I loaded in 4 crisp 20s and covered 16 numbers a fiver each. Spin 1 time and would you believe it i lost!, but the ball laded next to one of my numbers. I couldn't believe what I was seeing!! My mate reckons cause I was wearing glasses the machine may have thought I was someone else.
So the next week I try again, this time I take my glasses off. Put £40 in on 1-12. And would you believe it I won!! Got my money back. Sweet. So I let it ride. Win again. Up to £200. Then I switch tatics, as I think the machine is reading my thoughts. I put £200 on red. Blam!!!! Black. My mate was right, ob fixed to take all the money off of any one who is willing to sit down and spunk all their cash in the machine. I've learnt my lesson now though.
I thought i'd better do the decent thing and test this out. I loaded in 4 crisp 20s and covered 16 numbers a fiver each. Spin 1 time and would you believe it i lost!, but the ball laded next to one of my numbers. I couldn't believe what I was seeing!! My mate reckons cause I was wearing glasses the machine may have thought I was someone else.
So the next week I try again, this time I take my glasses off. Put £40 in on 1-12. And would you believe it I won!! Got my money back. Sweet. So I let it ride. Win again. Up to £200. Then I switch tatics, as I think the machine is reading my thoughts. I put £200 on red. Blam!!!! Black. My mate was right, ob fixed to take all the money off of any one who is willing to sit down and spunk all their cash in the machine. I've learnt my lesson now though.
I doubt taking the glasses off had anything to do with you winning if you were not wearing gloves. My mate told me those new machines also have fingerprint sensors on the screens as another method of identifying the players.
hi 2 all who posted here i have red some good posts here the question i would like 2 ask is who would u have 2 see for 2 get these machines out of bookies they have taken over my life i would 2 here ur toughts about it
I went to all the bookmakers in the city, and noticed in the same hour that around 6 roulette machines had around 10 or more blacks in a row on. Some as much as 15 blacks in a row. Strange how it was all blacks in a row and no reds, so maybe the bookies machines have some sort of conspiracy with eacother.
alright guys, my gut feeling is that these machines really are random, however, a mate of mine came across this item on ebay which in the seller description raises some interesting points as to whether these machines are infact random.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roulette-Machine-Guide-/200487103641?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ&ha****m2eadf66c99
what are peoples thoughts?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roulette-Machine-Guide-/200487103641?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Video_Games_Coin_Operated_MJ&ha****m2eadf66c99
what are peoples thoughts?
lol those stars in the address should say s then h then =, then it
Those thinking Live Dealers Roulette was a real were too innocent.
Try this ..
$3 on 1-18 and $2 on 3rd 12
you are actually covering 30 numbers for a $1 profit each time your numbers came up .
Try it your self , how many spins you can survive ?
In most cases , the 3rd spin will make you crash .
Try this ..
$3 on 1-18 and $2 on 3rd 12
you are actually covering 30 numbers for a $1 profit each time your numbers came up .
Try it your self , how many spins you can survive ?
In most cases , the 3rd spin will make you crash .
Hope this post taken from gamcare helps somebody
I was having a swim this lunchtime and as i did my lengths i got to thinking about how many times i have played them. I reckon about 1500 times.
I then got to thinking how many times i came away with a substantial win ( over £2k ) and actually left the shop with the money. I can remember this happening 5 times. Thats 0.33% of the amount of times i played.
I then thought of how many times i walked away over the years not having lost, either breaking even of walking away with a few quid in my back pocket. I reckon that happened about 150 times. Thats 10% of the amount of times i played.
I then got to thinking how many times i lost, but not just lost, walked away with that feeling of a knive twisitng in my stomach, with absolutely no access to any money, having had my phone turned off and desperately trying to work out a pack of lies as to where i was and where the money was that had dissapeared. I reckon that was about 600 times. That's 40% of the time i played.
Finally, i thought of the times that i played and lost but was able to cover my tracks because i had taken out loans, cash withdrawals on credit cards, borrowed from friends and family, sold things and written cheques to payday loan companies. That has to be at least half of the time i played - lets say 750 times which is obviously 50%.
Now the maths don't stack up - quite - but for me that's not the point. I was a slave to these machines for 8 years of my life. And i was happy ( or thought i was ) for only 5 days.
I was having a swim this lunchtime and as i did my lengths i got to thinking about how many times i have played them. I reckon about 1500 times.
I then got to thinking how many times i came away with a substantial win ( over £2k ) and actually left the shop with the money. I can remember this happening 5 times. Thats 0.33% of the amount of times i played.
I then thought of how many times i walked away over the years not having lost, either breaking even of walking away with a few quid in my back pocket. I reckon that happened about 150 times. Thats 10% of the amount of times i played.
I then got to thinking how many times i lost, but not just lost, walked away with that feeling of a knive twisitng in my stomach, with absolutely no access to any money, having had my phone turned off and desperately trying to work out a pack of lies as to where i was and where the money was that had dissapeared. I reckon that was about 600 times. That's 40% of the time i played.
Finally, i thought of the times that i played and lost but was able to cover my tracks because i had taken out loans, cash withdrawals on credit cards, borrowed from friends and family, sold things and written cheques to payday loan companies. That has to be at least half of the time i played - lets say 750 times which is obviously 50%.
Now the maths don't stack up - quite - but for me that's not the point. I was a slave to these machines for 8 years of my life. And i was happy ( or thought i was ) for only 5 days.
Whats the Max stake (red/black) on one of these machine ???
Its quite possible people are trying to martingale, not realsiing the max bets, then loosing the lot.
If the max bets were hisher, then people might loose less money.
(its all in there perception, of course)
Its quite possible people are trying to martingale, not realsiing the max bets, then loosing the lot.
If the max bets were hisher, then people might loose less money.
(its all in there perception, of course)
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random numbers are sent by satelite from
suppliers head office to groups of machines,
so it's possible to get the same numbers come up
on adjacent machines.
when 'play'is pressed and 'no more bets'
whatever random number is downloaded then is
the winning number and a pre-recorded spin
of that number is then played,
so every time -say- number 17 wins you
will get the same spin.
The house edge is nearly 3%
so there is no need for them to be fixed.
hth.
suppliers head office to groups of machines,
so it's possible to get the same numbers come up
on adjacent machines.
when 'play'is pressed and 'no more bets'
whatever random number is downloaded then is
the winning number and a pre-recorded spin
of that number is then played,
so every time -say- number 17 wins you
will get the same spin.
The house edge is nearly 3%
so there is no need for them to be fixed.
hth.
these things are a disgrace an should be ilegal its that simple,daylight robbery.and the ones on these sites are twice as bad but their allowed to get away with it!!!!something needs to be done about.no doubt the goverment are behid these evil things somewhere along the line.its just so obvious there not random when you win and when it robs every last penny.the results that come out of these machines is unreal
i play most on 26 0 32
3 n 15 will appear alot(ive got 5-10% of me getting the three i play MOST,if 3 and 15 starts playing it basically means go home or spend you money wisely!!)
31 25 will start popping up(the teasers)obivous id say make your own mind up!!
if it landed on the otherside of the board then fair enough but they do make it a bit to obvious and thats the real give a way!!they soon got on to the sequences(when could a good few quid from them) say....25,26,2,36,0,19,32 the ball used to go back to area 3rd spin after 26 miss 1 then back to 0 section happened alot!!!but not now(rarely)RANDOM then!!!!why does this not happen anymore!!!
play 8 and 11(forget about 30!!dont ask me why)bang 30
same as 7 in between 28 29 lol!!!!bang 7
or 4 and 2!!!bang 21
but then i can walk in crls(global draw the best id say) £2 or £3 on 0 bang 1st spin and it happens quite often other shops are just not worth playing in!!.timing is the key i reckon.
another boring response to how these machines are robbing people of their hard earned money i dont play big!!lose £40 and can easily walk with nice little profit.but these are dangerous and obviously not random!!!just my experience of these crack machines lol
i play most on 26 0 32
3 n 15 will appear alot(ive got 5-10% of me getting the three i play MOST,if 3 and 15 starts playing it basically means go home or spend you money wisely!!)
31 25 will start popping up(the teasers)obivous id say make your own mind up!!
if it landed on the otherside of the board then fair enough but they do make it a bit to obvious and thats the real give a way!!they soon got on to the sequences(when could a good few quid from them) say....25,26,2,36,0,19,32 the ball used to go back to area 3rd spin after 26 miss 1 then back to 0 section happened alot!!!but not now(rarely)RANDOM then!!!!why does this not happen anymore!!!
play 8 and 11(forget about 30!!dont ask me why)bang 30
same as 7 in between 28 29 lol!!!!bang 7
or 4 and 2!!!bang 21
but then i can walk in crls(global draw the best id say) £2 or £3 on 0 bang 1st spin and it happens quite often other shops are just not worth playing in!!.timing is the key i reckon.
another boring response to how these machines are robbing people of their hard earned money i dont play big!!lose £40 and can easily walk with nice little profit.but these are dangerous and obviously not random!!!just my experience of these crack machines lol
these things are a disgrace an should be ilegal its that simple,daylight robbery.and the ones on these sites are twice as bad but their allowed to get away with it!!!!something needs to be done about.no doubt the goverment are behid these evil things somewhere along the line.its just so obvious there not random when you win and when it robs every last penny.the results that come out of these machines is unreal
i play most on 26 0 32
3 n 15 will appear alot(ive got 5-10% of me getting the three i play MOST,if 3 and 15 starts playing it basically means go home or spend you money wisely!!)
31 25 will start popping up(the teasers)obivous id say make your own mind up!!
if it landed on the otherside of the board then fair enough but they do make it a bit to obvious and thats the real give a way!!they soon got on to the sequences(when could a good few quid from them) say....25,26,2,36,0,19,32 the ball used to go back to area 3rd spin after 26 miss 1 then back to 0 section happened alot!!!but not now(rarely)RANDOM then!!!!why does this not happen anymore!!!
play 8 and 11(forget about 30!!dont ask me why)bang 30
same as 7 in between 28 29 lol!!!!bang 7
or 4 and 2!!!bang 21
but then i can walk in crls(global draw the best id say) £2 or £3 on 0 bang 1st spin and it happens quite often other shops are just not worth playing in!!.timing is the key i reckon.
another boring response to how these machines are robbing people of their hard earned money i dont play big!!lose £40 and can easily walk with nice little profit.but these are dangerous and obviously not random!!!just my experience of these crack machines lol
You need help. You are looking to blame someone/something else for your stupidity.
One day you will look back and realise how foolish your comments sound. I hope that comes soon for you.
i play most on 26 0 32
3 n 15 will appear alot(ive got 5-10% of me getting the three i play MOST,if 3 and 15 starts playing it basically means go home or spend you money wisely!!)
31 25 will start popping up(the teasers)obivous id say make your own mind up!!
if it landed on the otherside of the board then fair enough but they do make it a bit to obvious and thats the real give a way!!they soon got on to the sequences(when could a good few quid from them) say....25,26,2,36,0,19,32 the ball used to go back to area 3rd spin after 26 miss 1 then back to 0 section happened alot!!!but not now(rarely)RANDOM then!!!!why does this not happen anymore!!!
play 8 and 11(forget about 30!!dont ask me why)bang 30
same as 7 in between 28 29 lol!!!!bang 7
or 4 and 2!!!bang 21
but then i can walk in crls(global draw the best id say) £2 or £3 on 0 bang 1st spin and it happens quite often other shops are just not worth playing in!!.timing is the key i reckon.
another boring response to how these machines are robbing people of their hard earned money i dont play big!!lose £40 and can easily walk with nice little profit.but these are dangerous and obviously not random!!!just my experience of these crack machines lol
You need help. You are looking to blame someone/something else for your stupidity.
One day you will look back and realise how foolish your comments sound. I hope that comes soon for you.
Resurrection of an old thread.
To those who say "three consecutive numbers" proves it's fixed, why not back every number that came out on the previous spin? FOBT players are generally addicts, delusional and looking to find a way to explain the mindless way in which they have lost their money.
To those who say "three consecutive numbers" proves it's fixed, why not back every number that came out on the previous spin? FOBT players are generally addicts, delusional and looking to find a way to explain the mindless way in which they have lost their money.
What i like to do to beat the chance of u losing on these machines is hang about city centre bookies waiting for some mug (usually Eastern Europeans and asylum seekers) to plow in the weekly money then jump in whilst they are off to the cash machine. My experience has been that u win far more frequently when doing this.
It wont make u rich but it gives u an edge!
good luck all
It wont make u rich but it gives u an edge!
good luck all
Complete rubbish. They are not compensatory machines.
Have to agree with boardroom....sure these things work the same as fruit machines...having my best run ever since i started following the big losers , i find i only have to do a couple of numbers as well as they are going to pay no matter what..
for the first time ever i have to say..
I LOVE F.O.B.T...
for the first time ever i have to say..
I LOVE F.O.B.T...
If you are right then you have unwittingly uncovered a scandal that could bring down the UK off course business as it is illegal for the machines to operate in the manner which you suggest.
On the other hand it may just be that you have an incredibly apt username.
On the other hand it may just be that you have an incredibly apt username.
They say the reels on a fruit machine are random but they can still change the % payout at will.... i have never read anywhere that these machines do not operate on the same lines..but anyone who plays these evil darleks are looking for some imaginary edge and this seems to be the best one ive ever found.
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