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By:
the lay preacher
When: 27 Jun 09 11:58
thanx for the input ben.
By:
ben10
When: 27 Jun 09 12:50
Money for the Callaghan runner in the first at Windsor is noted. Nicely bred firm ground horse who is sure to improve.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 27 Jun 09 13:02
quite like jeannie johnston in the 2.20 nket dont think the dunlop horse will like the going.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 27 Jun 09 13:04
just outside standard defo fast at windsor.
By:
ben10
When: 27 Jun 09 13:07
What do you think about One Cool Cats tlp? I find a lot of them have better form on soft but you'd expect them to be best on firm?
By:
ben10
When: 27 Jun 09 13:18
Agree with you on the Burke horse though, Vanishing Grey the danger.
By:
ben10
When: 27 Jun 09 13:37
Nice work brad think you got the forecast up there!
By:
the lay preacher
When: 27 Jun 09 15:15
well done brad.

ben i think one cool cats are a bit quirky and to be honest im not 100 per cent sure what ground they want .
as you say some like soft and some like fast .
By:
ben10
When: 27 Jun 09 15:23
Agree, not been hugely impressed with what he's produced anyway given his support so doubt we'll need to worry too much!
By:
annie.
When: 27 Jun 09 15:41
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Thank you for the link to the sires going table. Very interesting.
By:
abradburystar
When: 29 Jun 09 10:37
I play cricket on Saturday afternoons and didn't do the forecast in 2.30 Wind. Internet offline due to outage since 8.00pm sat night till now.

Ben and Lay Preacher - thanx for the input.

My op on One Cool Cat to add to the debate is that they are often temperamental. They don't seem to improve either with experience. His figures for 2-y-o's have done nothing but fall since his quick start last April / May. Bit like Daggers Drawn did a few years ago. Early precocity but no progression.

Will have a look at 4.00 Wolv and 6.40 Wind and post later
By:
the lay preacher
When: 29 Jun 09 11:28
i take it you mean the 4.30 brad.

i think of the 2 favs i would say bradbury will handle the surface better

i might be tempted to do it in the avb market. will be odds against.

a lot of people think because it is all weather at wolver there is plenty

cut in the ground i would say the track rides like a good to firm surface

9 times out of 10. i have a feeling dascombe is sending his horse here

for some cut.the reason i would back it in the avb is just in case there

is something unexposed in the field.

the reason i would be against dascombes horse is that having lomond as a damsire it is quite a strong influence for soft ground.
By:
ben10
When: 29 Jun 09 11:46
Agree with you about the AvB tlp. I like Bonfire Night of the first time out ones, quite an expensive purchase by the yard and the tongue tie suggests this is more than just a warm up. Other one I like is Motivational, on debut I said that he'd be suited by further but was disappointed by him on his reappearance, never really went on. The step up in trip is defnitely worth a try though. I'd like to see him settled right at the back, a lot of Montjeus need that so might be the answer to get him to run his race. How do you think he'll act on the track?
By:
the lay preacher
When: 29 Jun 09 12:05
ben i think bonfire knight will defo handle track .

motivational is a motivator ben not a montjeu.

i would be surpised if he handled the expected fast ground.

if bonfire knight is off it will be a big danger to all.
By:
ben10
When: 29 Jun 09 12:33
Cheers tlp, Motivator is a son of Montjeu (as I'm sure you know), I figured he might have passed on some of his lesser traits.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 29 Jun 09 12:38
off out now lads good luck .
catch up with you later.
By:
abradburystar
When: 29 Jun 09 13:17
AW tracks. I analysed my data for each track by lookign at what type of 2-y-o sires do well at each track and I agree Wolves is like GF as is Ling.

Gt.Leighs and Kempton v.similar but slower than the above

Southwell Soft
By:
abradburystar
When: 29 Jun 09 13:27
4.30 Wolv

Coloursoftheglen - I think Lay Preacher u r right although its form is good enough
Bradford - form good enough but Pyrus yet to have a 2-y-o winner at Wolves.
Motivational - regressed lto and agreed there is doubt about going.
Newcomers:

No.2: 0 0
No.5: 0 -1
No.8: ? -1
No.10: +1 0

I am interested in No 10 Bandear and in No 2 Bonfire Night for small stakes.
By:
abradburystar
When: 29 Jun 09 14:05
6.40 Wind
Intriguing race

The three form horses are ok (No2,4 and 9) but nothing special and hard to decide who will beat who (Jessica Hayler is my pick from these).

Newcomers

No.1: -1 -1
No.3: 0? 0
No.5: +1 +1
No.6: 0 0
No.8: 0 0
No.10: 0 +1

No.5 and No.10 for me. I know they are currently weak in market but I will take a chance at double figure prices.
By:
ben10
When: 29 Jun 09 14:19
Would really want to see some money for Yurituni, Harry**and the EJH stable both like a punt and I'd expect one of them to influence the market. Nicely bred though. Don't fancy the Hannon things, would have thought they will be better over further. Polish Steps interesting but again the pedigree isn't really speedy. I think the Haggas horse should step up on her previous effort, as a breeze up purchase (I think) she must have shown a fair bit to justify her price tag. Might have a play on her.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 30 Jun 09 10:55
what race today lads.
By:
ben10
When: 30 Jun 09 12:01
The Hamilton maiden looks pretty straightforward for the Bryan Smart horse. His form behind Mark Johnston's Capercaille means MJ has a line on him and the fact there's little money for his horse mean nothing's really expected. Any thoughts on the 7:00 at Thirsk? I don't think that looks competitive either.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 30 Jun 09 12:09
exgray looks nailed on ben the only possible danger is johnston and there has not been a penny for it.
exgray will love this fast ground as well.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 30 Jun 09 12:13
ballodair looks the one in the 7.00 ben they have had a lot of rain in that area and have changed the ground to good and it could well be
softer .
ballodair being out of an effisio mare will love this ground.
By:
abradburystar
When: 30 Jun 09 12:25
Agreed on Exgray and Balladoir
By:
ben10
When: 30 Jun 09 15:20
Exgray just about won I see! Thirsk I initially had between Ballodair and Call To Arms, if you're right about the rain then I definitely agree the Fahey horse is the one of those two to be on. Assumed Gillburg had a problem and he might need a run, that said his debut has worked out really well with all the top 4 except him going on to do well in Listed company. Think for that reason I'll leave the race alone.
By:
abradburystar
When: 01 Jul 09 11:57
Nothing today for me
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Jul 09 12:39
me neither.
By:
ben10
When: 01 Jul 09 12:54
Yeah not much really is there? Thought Larkrise Star may be overpriced in the 6:50, looks a poor maiden and he should improve on his debut enough to have place claims. The first at Catterick is interesting because technically the favourite shouldn't be a maiden so people are backing him on that basis, I think there are at least 3 who could potentially take him on so perhaps he's a lay.
By:
abradburystar
When: 02 Jul 09 12:15
No great opinions today either - what a boring week!
By:
ben10
When: 02 Jul 09 12:44
Soon pick up mate :)
By:
kincsem
When: 02 Jul 09 23:41
kincsem 08 Apr 01:36
In the 1990s I waited more than a month until I found an offspring of a certain sire running on heavy. The horse had terrible form (Don't Cry was its name I think). I backed it at 66/1 each way, and it came fourth, getting up in the last yards. Four places paid.


I looked this up on the Racing Post website. It was a seventeen runner class F 12f handicap at Newcastle on heavy ground on 02/11/1992. It was ridden by Claire Balding.
"Held up in mid-division, headway over 2f out, stayed on, never able to challenge" ... btn 13 1/2 /engths. The sire of Don't Cry was Dominion.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 02 Jul 09 23:44
dominions love it heavy kinscem.

one of the few that do.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 03 Jul 09 09:18
ben brad any of you about
By:
ben10
When: 03 Jul 09 09:26
Yeah, what's this fancy you got today then?
By:
the lay preacher
When: 03 Jul 09 09:42
i suggest you have a couple of quid on beckets horse in the 8.40 at

salisbury. the best price was 12s at hills.
By:
ben10
When: 03 Jul 09 10:09
Interesting one, bit of money about for it, what made you pick it out?
By:
the lay preacher
When: 03 Jul 09 10:11
i never picked it m8 but i know a man who knows a man so to speak.

i reckon it will go off favourite.
By:
ben10
When: 03 Jul 09 10:21
Ah right, thought it was a tricky one to pick out on form alone, might send a few quid it's way, cheers. Any maidens you fancy today?
By:
the lay preacher
When: 03 Jul 09 10:32
no ben but i really fancy 2 today .

alanbrooke in the 5.05 at sandown.and charminamix in the 8.50 at bellewstown.
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