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i would have 10%
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YBFW - I was alluding to a syndication approach,so we are on the same page.If several of us share the risk,and support him with our own mares surely he would at least pay his way.I would feel more confident however,if there was someone on board who has actually stood a stallion before.
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Hedgeholme Stud would be interest i'm sure
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Have you spoken to Andrew Spalding about this YFBW? or is it just your own assumptions?
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i have not spoken with him as nohing to speak to him about but as sales he said to me would be easier getting new stallion if had some help financing them
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YBFW, I noticed that on the DBS Stallion Parade listing Milk It Mick is standing at Hedgeholme. Is that right?
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Talking of the stallion parade,it's disappointing that FB isn't there.Another missed marketing opportunity.Whilst looking at the stallions that are going to be present,I must say how impressed I was with Normancourt Studs web site.Why couldn't Bearstone have done something similar ?
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I agree Dom, FB is rarely seen out! A change in picture on the website would refresh it as well. A short video clip such as Norman Court have for Winker Watson would be good as well. Perhaps Pat Eddery could discuss HOF, and show some foals/yearlings as well as FB himself walking.
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Exactly.Funnily enough Winker Watson was the horse I was looking at.Full marks to the stud for arranging those interviews and VT of his races.Simple but very very effective.
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I have not heard anything from Hedgeholme. I need to get in touch as mare going back to foal shorlty.
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Racing Post has him standing at Hedgeholme with article today confirming move.
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YBFW, I saw the piece on the RP website shortly afterwards, thank you. Who is your mare due to foal to? Is she returning to one of Andrews stallions?
The news today regarding Trade Fair and his sale to Australia,only underlines to me the achievement of FB to get his two stakes horses. As David Redvers said, TF did not get a stakes horse with his first runners and that will make it hard for them to promote him. Tweenhills would possibly not be the worst place for FB. What do you all think? Good news to see that HOF goes for the Gns. I def don't think he goes there as a rank outsider and see that his name has been mentioned on the Antepost forum. I was pleased to see that HOF has been rated close to the UK/Ire/Fr form and not dismissed as suspect Italian form. |
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All my mares are foaled at Andrews. Not sure who she will be visting as yet. She is in foal to Misu Bond - Inchinor mare.
I still think Firebreak could be a slow burner and one of my mares will go back to him im sure. I would like the above mare to visit him but dont want to wait 2 months to see what my other mare has to Firebreak.....I never liked Trade Fair |
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YBFW, I certainly wouldn't want to rush you into any decision but I do feel that with Firebreak it is a case of 'use him or lose him' the reality is that he may not be around to use in a couple of seasons time. :-(
I can understand that you want to see what your other mare throws to FB, but it is my experience that they generally look like him, and unless your other mare is very similar to your Inchinor mare then I don't see how it will inform you? You have said previously that you felt the Inchinor mare would suit him as she is strong looking and has size, so that should give you a good impression of what she will produce. Have you had a foal out of her (prior to the one you are waiting for) before to know the type she gets? If you see any of the FB's either racing or at sales they are typical of the sire. |
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my other mare has free filly return and will go back if good foal. If i knew she was having a colt then i would send my inchinor mare, and this mare elsewhere.
Her first 2 foals athletic quite leggy first foal won over 7f and placed twice dispite nervous character. Third foal stronger sort. She is in foal to Misu Bond. Bearstone have frustrated me if they come up with good deal i would have sent them both there and third mare to one of Andrews. |
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That makes sense now YFBW, I was forgetting about your filly foal free return :-)
It always seems to come back to Bearstone and their general unhelpfulness doesn't it? They are very shortsighted if they won't deal to get 2 mares. Did they try and talk you into one of their other horses with one mare instead of 2 for FB? |
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I never give them the option really. I need top go back to them. Going to look at Milk It Mick too. Good horse but dont think he will be very commercial.
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Young Filly,
You might like Milk it Mick,he is a really good looking stallion,and what a lot of people forget is he was a VERY tough racehorse,he was sound as the bell of brass,and ran12 times at 2,winning 5 times.But as I said on another thread people should breed winners,he is the sort of horse to get them,but you are right he wont be very commercial unless he does do it,in a way he is a bit like Firebreak,on breeding a bit out of vouge.I myself did think of using him last year,but a friend of mine did she will foal later in the spring.Millkom his sire was a super looking stallion too,and again very tough.Good luck! |
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In response to your earlier question Mrs SnS regarding the suitability of Tweenhills for Firebreak,the only advantage I can see,is the superior marketing skills they employ.In previous postings I have alluded to being keen on trying to prevent FB leaving these shores.On reflection however,I am now beginning to feel that turning Fb into a commercial stallion,would be a bit like trying to nail jelly to the ceiling.Don't get me wrong I still have great faith in this horse - but I don't believe sufficient other people feel the same i.e.mare owners.I am guessing but 40 to 50 coverings a year would seem the target for him,to succeed,but will he get those numbers - I doubt it,whichever stud he is at.I feel you maybe right and Ireland will beckon for him at the end of the year.I will use him while I can,(my Piccolo yearling out of the same mare as FB 2 yr old is nice -but just lacks that little bit of extra quality he has)and pray he gets another black type horse this season from his again limited opportunities.Wouldn't it be great if my fellow made a contribution ?
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lets hope so dom :)
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No....but will make an entry for him in the Super Sprint at Newbury,and take it from there.We will look after him and not treat him as a one season wonder.
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It would be very fitting if your colt turns into another HOF Dom :-)
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Easy.
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NB.Easy - as in,don't get carried away:not, easy to emulate.What HOF achieved on the track as a two yr old was exceptional.
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I noticed on Bearstone's Breeders Offers that Firebreak is not listed. So no deals avaliable for him. Does this mean that they have a good level of interest without the deals or that perhaps Darley are not allowing them to deal? I do hope it is the former ;-)
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Personally,I think Darley are standing up for their stallion.Compared to other stallions in his price range (and slightly above) he offers terrific value for what he stands at now (you want a 30% discount AND FFR also - Jesus!).Tactically spot on.
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Dominion,Do you know if Darley are sending him mares this year?A friend of mine asked the other day,Bearstone said he had 40 mares booked so far and all good ones(but they would say that)!
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I dont know if that is the case PD.But that figure of 40 sounds encouraging.It does give him some sought of a chance.Will you be making it 41 ?
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Dominion,No not this year I am sending the mare that may of been for him to Ireland,I did not find Bearstone that helpful they tryed to get me into Major Cadeaux but I will be watching his progress this year and may use him next,if he does well with HOF I could see him going to Darleys Irish stud,
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Dom, I am not trying to suggest that FB is too expensive, merely that the fact he is not listed may be positive news! PD's post saying he has 40 mares seems to indicate that may be the case. Lets hope so :-)
Mr SnS has relentend inasmuch that if HOF goes on this year we will send a mare to FB next season. This is progress I can assure you! I might send him a decent one ;-) Any progress to report with your 2yo Dom? |
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At the moment things do indeed seem to be heading in a positive direction for Firebreak.I was going to say he may be something of a slow burner - but that would be too obvious,so I wont.All I hope is that he is still around for next year,so that the weak livered among you,can put right the error you are commiting this season (are you listening Mr SnS ?).Mrs SnS (the sane one in the relationship) - my own lad is doing well.He is the image of his sire,both physically and mentally.He is with a trainer that does not rush his 2 yr olds,so he is being looked after properly.The Super Sprint is still very much on the agenda.
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the weak livered among you,can put right the error you are commiting this season (are you listening Mr SnS ?).Mrs SnS (the sane one in the relationship)
:-) Mr SnS only really has a passing interest in my horses, but I always discuss my nominations with him. There is one mare here that he particularly likes and despite my pointing out she is not very valuable and should be sold, I am forbidden to do so! He personally combs her mane out each day and even feeds her biscuits. I am informed that she is never to be covered by Firebreak ;-) I have more faith in the horse as you are aware. I even hold an antepost voucher for HOF in the 2000gns, should he win that voucher would pay for one FB nom next season.............. Good news about your boy Dom. Nice to see a FB allowed to 'develop' a career rather than quick gain or loss. A Super Sprint win would certainly be a boost for sire and owner/breeder alike I am sure! |
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Kings Messenger "And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union." King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe the TBA,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. If the boy won the Sprint,I would be in such a state of delirium,I would probably end up embarrassing myself.Something like jumping naked off the grandstand - and landing on Richard Hannon- twice..(three,and he might not see the funny side of it). |
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Kings Messenger "And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union." King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe the TBA,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. If the boy won the Sprint,I would be in such a state of delirium,I would probably end up embarrassing myself.Something like jumping naked off the grandstand - and landing on Richard Hannon- twice..(three,and he might not see the funny side of it). |
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Kings Messenger "And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union." King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe the TBA,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |
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Kings Messenger "And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union." King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe the T B A,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |
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Kings Messenger "And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union." King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe Bearstone,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |
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Kings Messenger And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union. King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe Bearstone,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |
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Kings Messenger " And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union. " King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe Bearstone,could provide him with some counselling - I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |
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Kings Messenger " And as he slept,so was the poison so pernicious
poured into Mr SnS's shell like.That that fine and noble steed Firebreak !!! Should never join his mare in happy union. " King Lear Act 2 Scene 3. I have never understood that passage, until now.It looks like your husband has been got at - by some strange phantom of the night.Maybe Bearstone,could provide him with some counselling - rehab,role playing, I don't know,I'm just trying to help. Good luck with your bet - I shall probably also partake,but a bit nearer raceday.The turf season seems to be taking ages to come around (although I say that every year). |