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dom: you didnt tell us he was offset with weak pasterns and light of bone did you?
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GG,you got yourself into a pickle by not sticking to the facts,and have taken four days to come up with an embarrassingly weak retort.One of the strengths of this forum is the quality of the posts submitted.Lets keep it that way,and not try to inflate our own importance by attempting to score cheap points,at other peoples expense.
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is the ice melting where you live dominion?
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Can I take it from this ^^^^ GG that you don't think Firebreak will get sprinters? Why not?
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Nipped out of work to watch Electric Feel today and was quite impressed. RP states she was on the small side but she stayed on well and shows potential for development
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I was quite impressed as well YBFW, she was a little bit left at the start and was last for most of the way, but showed a good turn of foot to go through the whole field and win going away. Looking at that I would have thought she would get 7f as well. Marco Botti said that they had thought she would need the run and were slightly surprised she had won it so well.
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I do not think Notnowcato will get sprnters. I do think there is enough speed in his pedigree to make him a reasonable new sire punt at a discounted price.
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Electric Feel trained by Marco Botti entered in Gr 3 at Naas on 1st June
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Hope Firebreak doe's well this year,he really was a tough horse.A bit above about Notnawcato,doe's this horse look like a sharp sort to get 2 yold's ...........?To me he look's the sort to get 3/4 year old's and sure to be slow.
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Slick, Electric Feel was entered in the Hilary Needler and I was surprised she was not declared. Botti must think highly of her to miss and maybe go over to Ireland.
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My thoughts exactly YBFW ;-)
Ann Duffield has one running tomorrow and several entered up on 1st June |
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I will see the Firebreak first hand tomorrow as I'm going to Haydock, he appeals on the breeding only the late foaling against him.
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It looks a nicely bred one, I'd expect it to put up a decent showing (hopefully top 3) and then his trainer will pick up a maiden auction stakes next time out, if he does have ability of course! Be interested to hear your on course observations though YBFW.
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back from Haydock. Unfortunately I did not see the Firebreak in the parade ring. The 2 year olds done one lap then jocks up and I was not fully alert to what was going on.
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Did you see Captain Gerrard? What did you think? Also, another Oasis Dream, Main Aim, any thoughts?
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Captain Gerrard was disappointing.... my thoughts from today where he looked to be carrying condition and was small compared to the rest of the field. I think he will struggle from now on.
Main Aim on the other hand looks to be a very decent horse and has the ability to run in top races from 6f to 1m. After his win a connection was interview and they do not know his best trip, he will go to Ascot but not sure which race. |
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A lot of Bryan Smart's horses are running like pigs at the moment. If they gave him a break and waited for the stable to pick up he's feasibly handicapped for a race like the Stewards Cup. Don't think blinkers were ever going to suit him.
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With his running in the Oueen Ann, Main Aim looked exposed to me not a GR1 colt, Captain Gerrard on the other hand,ran well I see he run's at the Curragh at the end of June,in a GR3 over 5,that look's his level.Personally Oasis Dream need's a few more top horse's to really warrant 30k. Freddy Head's Naaqoos, seems to have gone very quiet,OD need's a couple of top 2y'olds do others think he is expensive?
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All those horses will win races at some point again this year imv. I see Bryan Smart is clicking back into form and Captain Gerrard has picked up so could be interesting in that Group 3. Why they took him out the Stewards Cup off 100 I'll never know. Main Aim ran well I thought on his first go over a mile. He probably is better over 7 and maybe even the 6 for the July Cup but imagine they'll be desperate to win over a mile with him. I'm confident Freddy Head will pick up later on in the season he always seems better then to me and Naaqoos will surely find a race. On Oasis Dream he looks good to me, he seems to produce versatile horses (Main Aim can run in sprints and still run Group 1 milers close) also his Oaks second looks pretty good.
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Naqoos was very free early in the French 2000 and still ran pretty well surely if they can get him to settle in his races he should pick up something decent
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First black type horse for Firebreak today. Electric Feel ran well at Newmarket and looks like she should pick up a listed race. Perhaps over a bit further. Not a bad result from a sire who covered a small and a largely poor quality book.
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Captain Gerrard ran badly today. But I think the horse needs good or firmer, despite what B.Smart says! His best run for ages was at Ascot on firmish ground, though hold up tactics must be better that what they were doing before. Shame there aren't any 4f races for him :-p
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SnS,I saw Electric Feels run, she ran well but to me she will need to go overseas to win a patten race,Captain Gerrard looks like he wants fast ground,I think hes in the Nunthorpe so he might get the ground to me he wants,after all his best run for ages was on good to firm at Ascot.
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I don't see where you're getting this needing firm from, some of his best form is with cut. I think it's getting to the point where you start to think perhaps he's gone at the game and just not as good as he once was. He had 10 races as a two year old and perhaps he was an early developer and now he's racing off levels with horses that have grown up more. Reverting back to making all might help but running him every 2 weeks doesn't seem like a good idea to me and I won't be backing him any time soon.
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ben10,yes I suppose he wants a bit of cut,but not good to soft,I agree about not lasting forever though.It looks like they are trying to get a win out of him so he can go to stud next year.If he were mine I would try a different jockey,do you think he will be popular after all he's won group races at 2 and 3 years placed in a GR1(forth) at 4,and being by O,Dream?
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Yeah it does appear that way, think they're just making him look worse though, his recent performances will be fresh in the mind of breeders so they aren't going to be able to ask for much. Not really an expert on the commerciality of breeding but I guess he could get some decent two year olds, he'd have to be very cheap. I'd probably compare him to Avonbridge who although more consistant didn't have as attractive a pedigree.
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ben10,I think you are spot-on,I would ask 2.5k and then deal depending on the mare.Sure to get early 2y'olds.
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Hearts Of Fire wins a Listed race at Deauville yesterday by 51/2 lengths from a R.Hannon and a Tom Dascome for a GB 1-2-3
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SnS- Great news.I think the step up in trip would have helped,plus the change in jockey.My own Firebreak colt continues to improve,and I am very much looking forward to racing him next year.Hope all is well with yourself.
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All is very well with me thank you Dominion :-) off to York for a few days this week.
Glad to hear your Firebreak is continuing to please you. I agree with your thoughs regarding the jockey change for Hearts Of Fire! I know he is his brother but good god...............I have felt like offering to take over myself ;-) |
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I've had a good week or two, listed winner for Firebreak, Air Chief going well and i bred my first winner last week :)
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Group winner for Firebreak today.
Remember who told you that he would surprise people from his very limited chances :-) Thankfully they have used a real jockey for the last 2 starts and look at the improvement. I can only pray that he stays on board.....! Gr 1 here we go?! |
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Nice one Slick, was a good call, no chance of Hearts Of Fire winning a Group 1 though :)
Peter Chapple-Hyam's got an interesting Firebreak, a breeze up purchase I think, called En Fuego that could be running at Lingfield on the 8th. Be nice for him to get another winner. |
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Not even a GER Gr1 Ben? I think he stands a chance of gaining a forgein Gr1, maybe GER or Italy. Gran Crit maybe?
P C-H was Firebreak's highest priced yearling, pleased to see it has an entry now. The only thing I am little surprised about with Firebreak's stock is how they seem to need 7f already, certainly he is having more runners now the 2yo distances have increased. Perhaps this holds some promise for next season and his 3yos? Belated congratulations on your first winner YBFW :-) |
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Hearts of Fire just seems to get better and better.Fantastic.You were indeed spot on SnS with your appraisal of Firebreak.I would also like to mention in passing that there appear to be no temperament issues with his progeny.H o F has won in three different countries and my own fellow is so laid back he is horizontal.
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Ben - I have it on good authority,from someone who works for PCH that the Firebreak you refer to was progressing very nicely,but,how shall I put this........ been rushed,to the horses detriment.
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Thanks Dominion, worth bearing in mind. Been taken out of the Lingfield race anyway.
Slick, Hearts Of Fire would be lucky to find a weak enough Group 1 imv, I'm actually surprised how much he's improved over the season given how early he was out but from 2 to 3 I can't see him training on as much as others simply because of how forward he was. That Group 3 he won was probably a poor standard compared to UK and Ireland (Germans don't really do two year olds) and I think he'll just about be competitive in a Group 2 and that's probably as good as he'll be. |
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Thanks Slick, I was especially pleased as it was mares first foal so gets her going in the right direction. She is now in foal to Misu Bond another stallion you have followed.
I was tempted to enter my mare into the December sale who is in foal to Firebreak, but with these markets had no idea what price she may fetch. |
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Hearts Of Fire entered in Gr 1 Gran Crit on Oct 11. Pat Eddery is very pleased with him.
Pat has also bought the Librettist colt out of Firebreak's un-raced half sister. Firebreak does need some more winners on the board. But the trainers his horses are with are not exacty a great help ;-) though, looked at another way, all his winners are Black type horses :-D |
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If Firebreak had a group one winner, how much difference will in make to my mare currently in foal to him? I would guess that she would be in the top 10% of the mares covered by him on race performance?
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