still missing.............

The deniers will deny it, but when the overwhelming % of Qualified Peer reviewed papers on Climate Change state that CC is real and getting worse and man is making an impact.
source please?


yep thought so, cant prove this made up drivel to justify his argument - you have NO CREDIBILITY AFL

Why are so many countries acting on Climate Change because of the overwhelming evidence, rather than doing nothing based on the DENIERS?

The Distilled Spirits Industry Council of Australia said the reduction in consumption showed people were substituting other beverages for alcopops.

A spokesman, Stephen Riden, said: "We knew there would be a drop in that order but we also knew there would be an increase in wine and beer and spirits."



gee theres a surprise

Well if the Denying evidence is so strong and overwhelming, why are so many countries acting to protect the planet, against their advice?

Qualified Peer reviewed papers on Climate Change

Lol ... you would have hoped that the IPCC ONLY presented information that was PEER REVIEWED ... as that was their MAIN CONTENTION ... we will ONLY present PEER REVIEWED info

well they DIDN'T ... and that puts a shadowy mark all over their story ... and an awful blight on their total presentation ... ffs

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/the-ipcc-5600-small-white-lies/

(yes sceptics ... sceptics are not DISBELIEVERS OF EVERYTHING ... sceptics will only believe FACTS ... and a sceptic will change their mind when FACTS are provided ... )

thank fk someone is out keeping the deceivers honest ... else we'd only continue to get fed TRIPE on this topic

shame on the IPCC for presenting their findings to the world this way

let's try for the full link lol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/
article-1335798/Global-warming-halted-
Thats-happened-warmest-year-record.html

afl ... it's a money grab from the heart of the western countries .. the honest & innocent hardworking taxpaying citizens

and it's a big plan

cause if it weren't a money grab ... there'd be companies LINED UP NOW ready to GREEN the west ...

trouble is ... there ain't .. the money grab will NOT ALL go to the environment ... so it's a TRICK plain and simple

and good citizens like yourself & womble who actually want something DONE for the environment are being DUPED

ask yourself this question ... how will you tangibly SEE that the environment is cleaner after the tax ?  ... and not political rhetoric please ... how will you actually WITNESS this yourself when you step outside YOUR front door

is it broad and is it overwhelming

it aint religious based as you suggest

and it aont political conservatism either

it is the UNSCIENTIFIC data presented as facts

you obviously haven't read the article links i offered below ...

but that's ok ...

secong - it will be a good result if people switch to cleaner alternatives due to the tax on the dirty ones - that's exactly what we're after

thebas - when the world becomes a less polluted place i'm sure we'll be able to tell

lol it's the tax mate ... less pollution would be great ...

the tax is the lie ... the tax is the deception ... not the cleanliness of the air

where will the money go ?  ... and price trigger is meaningless ... if there isn't an immediate alternative ... price triggers only work when you have another product to switch to

so it's a revenue grab ... and cyncially from the hardworking innocent taxpaying very backbone of our country ...

not tangible enough ... sorry womble ... thats politico speak ...

but i know you're passionate in your way on this ... and so is afl ... but the debate on the proposed tax actions is not a done deal yet ...

so disbelievers will continue with their sceptical voice ... until quelled by truthful & transparent govt disclosure ... or the presentation of verified data (facts) that has NOT YET come along (the current info cannot honestly be believed by me sorry)

JuLIAR has suggested all money will go to compensation, wombleoz.

I'd suggest your making up this nonsense as you go.

Forget, The Greens, you'd make a good Labor MP.

Oh and wombleoz, where are you getting these "details" from, considering Gillard Labor have no released the detail behind this great big new tax on everything.

Uh oh...another credibility meltdown

None whatsoever

pretty much as i see it too jez

and ten years down the line ... little has changed ... ther'll be a new situation that govts will have come up with again ...  and billions more stripped from the working families

... working families trying to pay a mortgage & educate their kids ...  who have 'done their bit' honestly innocently & dilgently .... over the past 25 - 35 years to get a lifestyle they now have

... and then to be told they're GUILTY of ruining the planet ... what a world

same deal as with the CPRS - 3 way package, fair enough to wait and see though

how do you feel about Abbott promising to spend $30 billion over the next 10 years on Direct Action Thebas???  that's $30 billion taxpayers dollars btw

fair question womble ... but i am not political ... i have bever mentioned labour per se (that i remember)... i only mention governments ... and if i have mentioned julia ... it is because she has said ... or more correctly not said ... something about the topic at hand

and i have never (also that i can remember lol) posted on any of the Political Threads that we have on the Forum (altho i do read them)

so i will not take this global warming (phrase now admitted wrong by the HEAD HONCHO who wrote the treatise for the Un & IPCC) or Climate Change Scenario and Proposed Carbon Taxation (not one country has the same plan for the Tax lol) ... down a POLITICAL ROAD sorry mate

i am awaiting verifiable FACTS and/or government truth and transparency on a PROPOSED TAX where the revenue from said TAX is to be used.

Its NOT a fair question thebas

lol see i did not know that politically

b]It (the IPCC) is also losing the trust of more and more governments, who are no longer following their advice – as the Copenhagen Summit showed.” (Quoted from CCNet-News).[/b]

yet again the mis-representation of facts by the body (IPCC) that is running the agenda has been exposed

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19084

(yes sceptics ... sceptics are not DISBELIEVERS OF EVERYTHING ... sceptics will only believe FACTS ... and a sceptic will change their mind when FACTS are provided ... )


so is our government taking a route that is NOT universally agreed upon ?  ... YES !!!!

the real question is ... WHY ???  (and it ain't got to do with the environment)

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/
impacts_of_climate_mitigation_measures
_in_australia.html

if these are the real impacts of australia co2 ... then WHY is our govt introducing a carbon tax

if our govt is listening to the IPCC ... then the IPCC lied ... plenty of facts showing this (as the IPCC subsequently removed 'articles' from their reports - once they were pointed out false to them)

so WHY is this happening ?

pls julia ... truth and transparency ... and soon

Just like there was an $11 billion hole in the Liberals election promises there are major problems with their costings of Direct Action as well

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/abbott-carbon-plan-unworkable-20100315-q9oa.html

Thebas - i'm happy that science is settled enough to know that doing something beats doing nothing - lucky you're not political because there isn't a party in Australia that doesn't agree