his heart is mostly in the right place

Well sort off ...if he sticks to factual arguments he is a good pollie

i hope the people's walking frames don't get caught in the grass

Double electricity plus everything else that will rise in cost T20.
This is not just about electricity - its an assault on our way of life.

From those who call themselves the working class party, ffs.

Centrelink customers will be propped up with this "compensation" nonsense - a greater rebate in there Housing commission rent, a few more dollars in there pension/dole and maybe a few other sweeteners.

Meanwhile, those of us working and battling to make ends meet sink further and further.
Makes me sick that the Socialist Elite such as wombleoz, who doesn't understand the financial pressures of having a family can find this funny or a protest against this great big tax, funny.

Shows you the sort of ideology his is.

This government is extremely weak and fracturing though.
Leadership whispers persist.  Public perception of this govt is a joke.
This government cannot survive politically - it is shot.
A Coalition Abbott Government is just around the corner, bring it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxniQ62Kt7A&feature=related


Gold

I'd rather watch Andrew Robb get totally thrown on Insiders when asked how they can argue that Julia is a liar and the Greens are running the show - i.e. if the Greens are running the show isn't Julia just caving in rather than lying???  -  interesting theory - either way in the end it's good for the country

I hope you're looking forward to your little gathering in Canberra later in the month Jez, sounds pretty much like every right wing nutter in the country that can be there fighting their battle will be there - i.e. anti asylum seekers, anti muslims - oh yeah and the carbon tax - heaven forbid, it could turn into another Cronulla riot

Will be interesting to see how closely Tony wants to be seen aligning with them

So now when a journalist suggests overtones of "anti muslim" "anti asylum seekers" apparently from a website related to this carbon tax rally - its gospel, according to wombleoz. 

This is CLASSIC desperation.  I love it, keep it up comrades. 
The Labor message is ALL OVER THE FKN shop

When in doubt or under political strain - start spinning lies.



Oh and I love the way the comrades are trying feverishly to run away from the ultimate betrayal from the Prime Minister - "there will be no carbon tax under the govt I lead".

I mean it's pretty clear cut.  But by all means, keep the pathetic denials coming - it continues to damage the Labor brand.

But listen boys, keep peddling your nonsense.  The public aren't stupid, they know precisely what the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister stated before the election - and what they're now planning - without explanation and without detail.

We'll see how the public are judging Labor when Newspoll comes out on Tuesday.

I make no apologies for the Coalition keeping this government ferociously to account on its promises to the public - and continuing to highlight its massive failures.

Gillard Labor seems to be campaigning for the Coalition at present. 

i hope you will be comfortable associating with the likes that show up on the 23rd Jez, you're dreaming if you think the only drum they'll be beating is the carbon tax one

Should be an interesting BBQ/Protest masquarading as anti Carbon Tax.
Bernadi's going to bring a Burqa to throw on the barbie. 
Have they sent the invites to One Nation?
Will be a collection of bigoted racist social misfits, mixed with people that don't agree with the bigots but are happy to court their vote. imo.

I'll be at the Carbon Tax Rally on March 23 because I'm very angry about a government and a Prime Minister who lied and deceived us - and is insistant on an attack on our way of life - in addition to putting a rocket under the costs of living.

What a joke.  What is an attack on our way of life?

Promoting religious and racial intolerence is an assault on our way of life, and unfortunately it appears that this is the level that Tony and his Liberal Party are promoting.

has this been asked..jez youve lost your melbourne ..why

Which one is Tony?

Have I been arguing with your missus mostly?

my tip. don't wear a burqa [;)]

good to see Bob Brown step up yesterday and start questioning Abbott's alternative publicly - Get Up is preparing to come into the game as well.  prepare to see you March 23 rally dwarfed by pro real action on climate change ones in the coming months IMO

Abbott's climate change policy is bullshit
Malcolm Turnbull
December 7, 2009

     

While a shadow minister, Tony Abbott, was never afraid of speaking bluntly in a manner that was at odds with Coalition policy.

So as I am a humble backbencher I am sure he won't complain if I tell a few home truths about the farce that the Coalition's policy, of lack of policy, on climate change has descended into.

First, lets get this straight. You cannot cut emissions without a cost. To replace dirty coal fired power stations with cleaner gas fired ones, or renewables like wind let alone nuclear power or even coal fired power with carbon capture and storage is all going to cost money.

To get farmers to change the way they manage their land, or plant trees and vegetation all costs money.

Somebody has to pay.

So any suggestion that you can dramatically cut emissions without any cost is, to use a favourite term of Mr Abbott, "bullshit." Moreover he knows it.

The whole argument for an emissions trading scheme as opposed to cutting emissions via a carbon tax or simply by regulation is that it is cheaper - in other words electricity prices will rise by less to achieve the same level of emission reductions.

The term you will see used for this is "least cost abatement".

It is not possible to criticise the new Coalition policy on climate change because it does not exist. Mr Abbott apparently knows what he is against, but not what he is for.

Second, as we are being blunt, the fact is that Tony and the people who put him in his job do not want to do anything about climate change. They do not believe in human caused global warming. As Tony observed on one occasion "climate change is crap" or if you consider his mentor, Senator Minchin, the world is not warming, its cooling and the climate change issue is part of a vast left wing conspiracy to deindustrialise the world.

Now politics is about conviction and a commitment to carry out those convictions. The Liberal Party is currently led by people whose conviction on climate change is that it is "crap" and you don't need to do anything about it. Any policy that is announced will simply be a con, an environmental figleaf to cover a determination to do nothing.

After all, as Nick Minchin observed, in his view the majority of the Party Room do not believe in human caused global warming at all. I disagree with that assessment, but many people in the community will be excused for thinking the leadership ballot proved him right.

Remember Nick Minchin's defense of the Howard Government's ETS was that the Government was panicked by the polls and therefore didn't really mean it.

Tony himself has in just four or five months publicly advocated the blocking of the ETS, the passing of the ETS, the amending of the ETS and if the amendments were satisfactory passing it, and now the blocking of it.

His only redeeming virtue in this remarkable lack of conviction is that every time he announced a new position to me he would preface it with "Mate, mate, I know I am a bit of a weather vane on this, but....."

Third, there is a major issue of integrity at stake here and Liberals should reflect very deeply on it. We have an Opposition whose current leadership dismisses the Howard Government's ETS policy as being just a political ploy. We have an Opposition Leader who has in the space of a few months held every possible position on the issue, each one contradicting the position he expressed earlier. And finally we have an Opposition which negotiated amendments to the Rudd Government's ETS, then reached agreement on those amendments and then, a week later, reneged on the agreement.

Many Liberals are rightly dismayed that on this vital issue of climate change we are not simply without a policy, without any prospect of having a credible policy but we are now without integrity. We have given our opponents the irrefutable, undeniable evidence that we cannot be trusted.

Not that anyone would doubt it, but I will be voting for the ETS legislation when it returns in February and if my colleagues have any sense they will do so as well

This first appeared in former opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull's blog this morning.

Expert downplays carbon tax price rises
Jeremy Thompson, ABC March 8, 2011,

The carbon tax debate raged on in Canberra this morning as a visiting European Union carbon price expert declared people would see little impact on their cost of living under the scheme.

The 500 million people in European Union countries have lived with an emissions trading scheme since 2005.

Jill Duggan, a carbon price expert from the EU's Directorate-General for Climate Action, says the scheme has created more jobs and was easier to implement than first feared.

Briefing journalists in Canberra, she said carbon tax only accounted for a fraction of the yearly price rises for fuel.

"The impact would be a quarter of the impact of gas or oil prices, so people notice gas or oil prices rising, they notice the impact on their household bills, but the carbon price is much, much smaller than that in impact."

Ms Duggan said Australia had the chance to invest in sustainable energy systems such as solar to actually increase employment.

"The experience in Europe is the drive to a low-carbon economy has created more jobs - I'm not aware of any jobs that have been lost as the result of a carbon price.

"It was easier and cheaper to reduce emissions than was initially estimated. The impact has not affected the economy adversely."

Speaking earlier, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott repeated his claim the tax would add $300 a year to power bills and bump up the price of petrol.

"Every time prices go up if this carbon tax comes in to effect people will think of the government, because this tax will cascade through the economy."

Greens leader Bob Brown took exception to Mr Abbott's description of household compensation as a "slush fund".

"His new description of proposed compensation for households under the carbon tax proposal as 'slush' will offend many Australians but delight the big corporations who want the same money for themselves," Senator Brown said.

Senator Brown says the "slush fund" is actually the Coalition's "direct action" plan to compensate polluting industries without compensating households which he claims will have to pay an extra $720 a year.

Mr Abbott said he would welcome an early election on the issue - but said it was not up to him.
"It's up to the Prime Minister to go to Yarralumla and call an early election if that's what she wants to do. It's up to the independents to decide what they do."
..............................................................................................................

So the Libs continue to spread the LIE that we would be going it alone. Not to mention the LIES about the cost. NOTHING BUT A FEAR CAMPAIGN BASED ON LIES

and why would she say so? simple she knew she wouldnt have been re-elected...............period, fair dinkum afl are that fkn brainwashed, SHE HAS NO MANDATE. end of

What part of "CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP"

is a belief in Climate Change.