wombleoz Joined: 15 Feb 03
Replies: 837 21 Jun 10 22:58 
Clutching at straws Canberra Bookie -  Do you really think Green voters will preference someone that thinks "climate change is crap"
  errr I might have missed it but did'nt kevin rudd  cancel his climate change agenda?? Ahhh womble I;m sure he did?? Does that mean that dudd is a non believer or is he just umm ah , what is he womble- where does dudd stand?

lololol 2ndcoming, same in my household 100% swing and I'm try to convince everyone I know to do the same.

Wombleoz.

Me clutching at straws? 

Mate, you for real?

I unlike you, comrade, accept at the very least, that if you play the democratic game, you CAN lose.

Your in denial.  You refuse to believe that the possibility of Labor being out on its ear after one term, could POSSIBLY come to fruition.

Mate,

...In 2007, Australians voted for Kevin Rudd as a reasonable alternative to John Howard - the "its time" factor hit hard.  They accepted the token gestures of Kyoto & the apologies. 

The global financial crisis came along and Kevin Rudd and  Wayne Swan & Labor bowed to their big-spending instincts.  Stick with the more comfortable old-fashioned redistribution and taxpayer- funded nation-building than the hard yards of economic reform.   

Australian's during the previous Coalition government & even under Hawke & Keating (more reformist governments) have changed.

The voters now so crucial to Labor's future do not engage with the rhetoric of class warfare, implicit in the government's selling of its mining tax. They expect governments to deliver services efficiently and competently, but beyond that they want a government that gets off their backs and allows them to garner the rewards that come from risk and hard work.

This man, Kevin Rudd promised them he would be their sort of leader, but they have instead watched Labor refuse to amend its spending even as unemployment drops and the waste and incompetence in programs run from Capital Hill become increasingly apparent.

After two and half years, Rudd Labor have lost touch, or more to the point, the control-freak at the centre - Kevin Rudd - has lost touch.  The men & women who will decide the upcoming campaign are the same people that delivered a record-breaking swing to the Liberal Party on the weekend.

This man, worth millions, refuses Australian's are aspirational people - instead he invokes the this government has grasped this left-wing ideology, class warfare & economic protectionism attitude. 

The problem now for Kevin, is no matter his spin or his electioneering "07" hyperbole returning - the folk out there aren't listening anymore.  They've heard it all before.

You know how it goes....once bitten.... ...  ....

People are smart enough to differentiate between state and federal issues and as has been said before, people seem to like a split between who is in power federally and who is in power in the states.  As the states go Liberal, bound to happen eventually, people will be more likely to want Labor in power federally.

The LNP in Queensland is self destructing, Rudd and Swan are both Queenslanders - I don't see Queensland being a problem for Labor. They will most likely lose seats in WA but such is life

Howard went to the last election promising an ETS, Abbott has backed away from that and as a result I wouldn't be surprised if Green preferences flow more strongly then they did at the last election.

Yes, Labor can lose but I think it's unlikely.

Abbott's line of "great big new tax" was biting, the country is split on if climate change is real or not, pretty big gamble to run an election with the ETS as the key issue - mind you the liberals are split on it and that could've been played on.

Having talked it up like he did, Rudd should've pulled the trigger.  He hasn't, such is life - it's important not to forget the deal was done until the Liberals jumped ship, how many of them wish they didn't - I would be MUCH more worried if Turnbull was still in charge.

Don't know what all the fuss is about......Kevin 10 is home, get on now.  They only people who want Abbott are the Churches throughout Australia, the cycleists and the Ansell Condom company because Abbott will abbolish the pill.

AP.

How about you look at the government?

You know the lot that was elected in 2007, under the banner of Kevin07 - new leadership, fresh ideas.

He said we CANNOT delay on climate change action.

It is the greatest moral challenge of our time.

Where are we now?  Enlighten us.

Tell me the big, miraculous Rudd Labor plan on climate change....the action agenda???????????????

Please tell us.........whats the excuse for today? 
"Oh the senate can be such a pain in the rear"

Hear the silence.......fkn unbelievable

Gutless wonders.

In the view of Australian's, for Rudd to drudge up the "climate change is crap" comment from Abbott....would bring attention back to the fact this FRAUD has done sweet fk all on his self-proclaimed "greatest moral challenge of our time"

and again, before you go casting blame on the Coalition & minor parties.....

Remember 2007, remember the words
" The buck will stop with me "

&

"No more blame game"

I'll let you guess which Emperor said those words.

Canbeera Bookie : I agree with your sentiments , should of pulled the dd trigger , but as Womble says the deal was in place.What im pointing to is that the gov't will have a mandate to put it in if they win office. Abbott clearly is against which is more important to the electorate to decide. Their will be a fair bit of campaigning on the "price of carbon " issue. The libs seem to be arguing that don't vote for him because he is gutless. People want action and the Libs think it is "crap", they will go with Labour if K Rudd asks for a mandate from the people

Sloppy by Abbott but not worth following up

The BIG news you will be happy about Canberra Bookie is that the ABC is reporting Labor is counting numbers for a challenge against Rudd without a challenger coming forward yet.

Interesting night coming up in many ways

Hoping Australia wins the soccer tonight but Howard being there in his tracksuit is pretty off putting

I have always said Rudd can certainly win this election.

But he would be incredibly peeved off tonight, for a number of reasons.

One - the Labor Party machine has turned on him - they are a well-oiled machine in terms of factions - when it comes to dumping leaders.

Two - he may just be losing his grip on the mantle of Prime Minister.

Three - Rudd's stocks are losing value as this speculation continues to mount.  Division is death.

Have to agree with you on this one Canberra Bookie, division is death - it's too late in the term for a failed challenge, there are only two outs. Fully get behind Kev and no challange, or change leaders - no 1/2 way measures.

The UK conservatives have come in and surprise surprise up goes sales tax. Surely this has to be a bonus for labor, a scare campaign on the GST wether the outcome is true or not will surely help.

State governments are the winners here, tomorrow's media cycle won't be dominated by poker machines now.

This looks like its really on.

Wayne Swan have gone into the PM's office in addition to Albanese & Tanner. 

Apparently, factional leaders from the Right have told Julia Gillard they have lost confidence in the PM and they want her to take over.

Gillard is apparently undecided.

The push for Gillard is getting stronger and stronger - big Laurie Oakes at Parliament House says this is "deadly serious".

Certainly better than the redhead at the back

Gillard will take leadership if the numbers are spot on.

Here we go........

Kevin is terminal by the looks.

Kevin will step down, Julia will step up and cream Tony

Kevin has put everyone offside with his arrogance & control freakishness. Media frenzy in Canberra. He has to go.

Updated election prices

Gillard 1-3
Rudd 30-1
Abbott 11-4

Its an unsustainable position now for Rudd to stay.

They have gone past the point of no return.

Julia really has no choice, now or never.

I really believe this will boost Mr Abbott's chances - Gillard is a popular deputy, not sure about as PM.

And the Labor brand has copped a flogging with all of this mess.  This is a first term government in leadership crisis.