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Labour= tax tax tax......and tax again
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thats my point exactly wiz.We are bound for socialism.
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i think tony may be the lesser of two evils.....
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precisely 2nd coming.The duddster is a total disaster, tony maybe just partial.
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actually tony wanted to tax the top companies a few extra % to pay for that one wiz......i think
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the economy would be better off in coalition hands....not a big fan of johnny and pete with regard some policy towards a lot of people but fk me no better economic managers.....
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The message from Labor on why we need this great big super profits tax has changed about 30 times since the policy was released - and Labor frontbenchers including the Treasurer have continually lied blatantly on this one.
(Mr Swan claimed the tax would assist the government in raising superannuation levels for working Australians. Newsflash Wayne, you goof - most employers in this country are private enterprise - THEY will cough up the additional super contribution not the Commonwealth) Rudd Labor are all over the bloody shop..... Its a hallmark trait of this government really. This great big super tax goes back to the Australian Labor Party's deeply entrenced "class war" politics. Success is frowned apon by Labor....and government knows best.... Finally the Australian people are looking (already) after two and half years of shambolic, wasteful & deceitful governing, for an alternative.....the country has woken up to this fraud.....Kevin Rudd....they gave him a chance and his blown it! Time for a Coalition Government. |
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Make no mistake though, Labor, their union mates and all the comrades will throw everything AND the kitchen sink at Tony Abbott in a highly personal campaign.
The Coalition & Mr Abbott need simply to offer a conservative alternative plan along with the themes of strength, direction, mainstream values & ask Australian's to reflect on the Rudd Labor record. Look at promises compared to delivery. Look at what has been delivered & the results. Look at the reckless spending & waste. Look at the nations finances - the debt. Look at the border security - the boats. Look at climate change - the outstanding backflips. The list goes on...... |
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I want to see the likes of Sharon Burrow in tears on election night..........
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Mrben - the plasma argument is a dud let's work with it though
20 years ago a factory has 100 gold plasmas owned by the government (and therefore the people) - rather than sell them they let companies do it on their behalf in return for taxes and royalties now there are 50 tvs left, the price has gone up heaps, the companies are raking it in, paying more tax but proportionally their profits are booming Should the government keep the current system for the last 50 tvs or maxmise it's returns by increasing the taxes??? Easy answer for mine |
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womble you truly are a dunce. govt owned the plasmas meaning that govt coughed up to build the plasmas- a finished product ready to sell.
Even if govt "owned "the resources in the ground they did zero, ie they took no risk or invested capital, to developed those resources to finished saleable product. Should the risk taker, the one who did all the work, get the benefits.???????????? Easy answer for mine. But no wait, you as a communist want to give those benfits to someone who made zero contribution. Thats a failed system womble-many times over. Sadly, so sadly, it is where australia is headed.In 20 years every one in this country will be on welfare and the govt will own everything because the benefits and rights of ownership will be gone. You think its not possible? Look at the usa where govt has taken over countless aspects of the economy, where shop workers get about 7$ an hour, where welfare dependants are balloning, where personal wealth has been destroyed by a fallen stockmarket[read your superannuation] where house prices have plummeted and there is emerging misery. The only thing keeping australia afloat is the mining sector and now dudd is seeking to destroy it.Because his socialist ways he wants all of the population dependant on the govt. Won't happen you say? In the last 2 days rio tinto has announced it will spend 540 million developing mines in north america.BHP announced it will invest 2 to 3 billion developing mines in Liberia{africa}.BHP stated that low taxes and royalties were a key factor in the decision. And so the drift away from Australia begins. And so the coffin begins to be built. Mining projects take years to develop, kick 4ward 5/10 years there will be no new mining projects in aust because all the capital will have been spent abroad.Jobs? what jobs? Super taxes? there won't be any revenue to tax. |
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MrBen,
Regards the miners- let's say it is buisness as usual that goes on the status quo for ever in a day.Look long-term for a minute: What is left when it runs out(environmental damage) and do you really think they are not going to develop new markets as a matter of course in their strategic planning? Further to this if the line is swallowed about Africa has low taxes and royalties is the reason,it begs belief.Officially it may be correct of what goes through the books, but dealing with despots and arguably the most corrupt place on earth, what is the real figure changing hands ? I do have issue with how they are planning to spend it- Needs to be put into environmental issues and creation of renewable Industry to move away from oil ( US-Gulf Coast abonimation as a example ).Fix the Murray-Darling etc etc. On a side note: Peter Dutton claims another backflip-this time on Health , announced during State of Origin.Apparently if claims are correct, in Qld at least, for every dollar in the Health system , 40c goes to the administration beauracrats to run the 60c that the Hospitals get.A Fkn joke.Now this has been going on for sometime so not Labours fault as such Federally, but campaigned on were going to fix it and the States aren't playing ball. This is why whatever Federal Gov't is in , the majority of the states need to be the other party or vice versa |
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KEVIN RUDD'S GOVERMENT.
AAP Government 'backflips' on hospitals AAP June 17, 2010, 9:51 am The federal opposition has accused the Rudd government of another backflip - this time on Labor's landmark hospitals reform. The government has quietly scrapped its overseeing body for health funding, the National Funding Authority, which was meant to monitor how the states used federal dollars. The opposition says it's back to "business as usual" for the hospital system. "The states were in control before and the states are in control now," opposition frontbencher Concetta Fierravanti-Wells told reporters in Canberra on Thursday. There was now no transparency or accountability checks for the states when it came to how they spent federal money. She demanded the government "come clean" on the move and accused it of misleading Australians into thinking its plans for hospitals reform was genuine. "Don't trump this up as some sort of a grand plan when in reality all we are seeing is business as usual," Senator Fierravanti-Wells said. "Here we have seen another major backflip." Under the government's health reforms, the commonwealth will become the dominant funder for the nation's hospitals by upping its funding to 60 per cent. Labor senator Doug Cameron defended the change, saying the government always did the right thing by the public. "Governing is a tough game, you have to make some tough calls when you're in government," he said. He used it as an opportunity to attack Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, who he said was not capable of making those tough calls. Mr Abbott said the authority was just another layer of bureaucracy anyway. "The whole thing was a bureaucrats' picnic from start to finish," he told reporters in Canberra. "(Prime Minister Kevin) Rudd's health reform wasn't very much to start with and it's less now." |
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KEVIN RUDDS GOVERNMENT
he Rudd Government is facing an inquiry into its broken promise on political advertising. 7News can reveal a public servant who recommended the advertising watchdog be dissolved is now being paid a small fortune to do the job himself. Auditor-General Ian McPhee will front a Senate committee in Canberra tomorrow to publicly detail his concerns about Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's back flip. Earlier this year Mr Rudd dumped a system which proposed advertising campaigns be scrutinised by the auditor-general independently. He has since passed the role onto a committee of former public servants, including advertising review author Dr Allan Hawke. The way in which Mr McPhee was swept aside by Dr Hawke's review has guaranteed a new controversy. Dr Hawke is career bureaucrat and former chief-of-staff to Paul Keating. His review led to Mr McPhee being dumped from the independent role. Dr Hawke took 18 days and was paid $60,000 to recommend a new panel to oversee government ads, which he now heads. He works four days a month for $175,000 a year. The move came despite Mr Rudd's "100 per cent guarantee" promise before the 2007 election that government advertising would be independently reviewed. In an explosive letter, copied to Mr Rudd, Mr McPhee said the government review "seriously misunderstands" his role. He said it contains "a number of inaccuracies" and "generally softens" the rules removing "rigour and discipline in this sensitive area." Mr Rudd suggested Mr McPhee was uncomfortable being the umpire of government advertising "The Auditor-General in fact wrote to me and indicated that he regarded this as potentially in conflict with his position," Mr Rudd said. Other politicians, like Independent Senator Nick Xenophon, see it differently. "Make no mistake, the government has sacked the independent umpire on this," he said. "The Australian people have every right to think this stinks." Greens Senator Bob Brown has a bill before parliament to reinstate the auditor-general's role, as the $38 million taxpayer-funded mining tax ad blitz continues to flood our screens. "It's again an example of the executive government simply changing the rules to benefit itself," Senator Brown said. |
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MrBen: Post the dodgy stuff about the Libs as well.We appreciate fair and balanced reporting on this forum.
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i would aussie P but theres so much dodgy stuff on rudd.the rudd govt is overflowing with didgy stuff.Trying to find copies of their directives to public servants not to release anything to the meadia which is negative to the govt.Is this australia or china?
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hard to find dodgy stuff on the Libs, they have no policies. Except of course for I disagree, hear, hear, hear, hear.
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scobeek, even if that were true, which it is'nt, its NOT a justification for the Rudd govt disaster.
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MrBen, we should create a website that shows every possible tax that buisness and consumer pays (incl levies,royalties,fees etc) that the Gov't gets(State and Federal)
Grocery Watch,Fuel Watch and wait for it "Tax watch" |
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i think i read once that 65 cents in every dollar earnt by a person goes to the govt in one way or another.
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Mrben, just because i think the mining companies should pay more tax doesn't make me a communist - more a realist I'd suggest.
Name another product that can only be sold, and therefore taxed, once - resources are different and scarce, we should maximise our benefit from them before they are gone Communism doesn't work but capitalism and the free market are far from perfect - the answer is somewhere in between |
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Comes back to the favourite catchcry of Labor....
"government knows best"....... In terms of welfare, we need a system of "a handup not a handout"........ Don't get me wrong, I believe strongly in strengthening Medicare and I also believe in a welfare safety net in addition to public housing - but in terms of the latter two, we start to breed this entitlement mentality....... On the mining tax, this is typical Labor class wars - its a poorly thought out robin hood policy - its also a key component to the myth "Labor will deliver a surplus in 2013"....... |
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just 399 more posts to overtake the auckland reactor thread.
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KEVIN RUDDS GOVERNMENT
the list of real achievements is short, the list of broken promises, no shows, backflips is huge. DOES KEVIN RUDD STAND FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT MORE TAX?? MPs challenge Rudd over backflips, bad polls By online political correspondent Emma Rodgers Kevin Rudd has been grilled by Labor MPs during the party's first Caucus following a series of policy backflips that have vandalised the Federal Government's standing in the opinion polls. The Prime Minister told his colleagues Labor faces a difficult time and that he takes full responsibility for the Government's decisions, including shelving the emissions trading scheme, axing the home insulation program and scrapping a commitment to build 260 childcare centres. Rudd backflip on 'big Australia' vision JOSH GORDON April 4, 2010 Be careful. You can never win your reputation back. The federal government will consider slashing Australia's annual migration intake to help tackle concerns about traffic congestion, housing, hospitals, water and the environment. Just months after declaring himself in favour of a ''big Australia'', Prime Minister Kevin Rudd yesterday warned of ''legitimate concerns'' with population growth and appointed Agriculture Minister Tony Burke as Australia's first Population Minister. The mainstream press has largely blamed Rudd's %u201Clack of ticker%u201D for the government's dive in popularity. Indeed, the Rudd government's list of worthwhile achievements is short, but their inability to satisfy the Australian people comes down to a lot more than the willpower of one individual. iF YOU GOOGLE "KEVIN RUDDS BACKFLIPS" you get 264,000 answers. |
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wombleoz- your idealogy that the producer of the goods should/must hand over the cream of any result they have is communist in nature.
Do you think that if you have a big win on betfair- say 1,000$ when normally you may win 100$ that betfair should appropriate 40% of that 1000$ as a "super profit" and give it to those who lost?Do you? If you are true to your idealogy you must say yes.But I doubt you will.I have never met a socialist who was not a gigantic hypocrite. |
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KEVIN RUDD- AUSTRALIA's richest ever PM
should kevin rudd levy a super profits tax on himself? evin Rudd backflip over pecuniary interests register * Glenn Milne * From: The Sunday Mail (Qld) 14 June 2010 PM backflip over pecuniary interests register The Courier-Mail PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has quietly listed one of his wife's companies on his parliamentary pecuniary interests register. This is despite previously arguing it wasn't necessary because the firm was "inactive". The company, Invisage,owned by Therese Rein, landed Mr Rudd in hot water this year after it was revealed the company had embarked on $75 million worth of loan-raising in March 2007. Confronted with this and the fact that Invisage had also received $160,000 in Federal Government funding, the Prime Minister continued to insist Invisage was inactive and therefore did not need to be registered as one of his family's pecuniary interests. The change to his register was made on May 13 %u2013 the day of Labor's first Budget. On the same day Mr Rudd also added an unspecified line of credit with the Commonwealth Bank and established a margin call loan, both in Ms Rein's name. * Rudds' $56m fortune tops ALP's rich list Adelaide The latter facility allows lenders to call in the complete loan immediately once a trigger point in its value is passed due to share market fluctuations. Such loans have become highly controversial %u2013 and risky %u2013 following the US sub-prime crisis and the global liquidity crunch. A spokesman for Mr Rudd yesterday continued to assert that Invisage was "inactive". Mr Rudd's office said the line of credit and the margin call loan were for Ms Rein's personal use and did not relate to either Invisage or its parent company, Ingeus. |
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Mrben has done it again, can you post original stuff rather than cut and pasting propaganda from the right wing media and clowns like Milne - u r as bad as Jez [;)]
If I had a $1000 win on Betfair, unlikely as that is, I'd appease the punting gods by taking my mates out for a drink or the like or else it would never happen again  The miners do not produce the goods, they just dig them up and sell them they can only dig them up and sell them once and they can only be taxed once - why shouldn't we maximise the return for the owners of those "goods" i.e. the people of Australia??? |
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Agree Wombleoz, this is clearly a battlefront ,that if the miners lose, then other countries will follow.
Ps : Miners, don't keep threatening to go to such bastions of fair and balanced gov't in Africa TO DO BUISNESS IN. If it was so great you would just walk away and go. Good luck over there, you proud servants of the Australian people. PS: Good luck with the ASIC Investigation into your propaganda and lies with these announcements your all going to "hell in a handbasket" because of the tax[;)] |
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Standing back from the argument itself..Labor are bleeding heavily over this issue.
WA & Queensland are swinging heavily against the government, and now polling from Tasmania is showing a significant move away of Rudd Labor. We can argue until we're blue in the face - this first term Rudd government is in strife, Australian's are disenchanted with its performance. Next Tuesday morning will be VERY interesting - when Newspoll comes out - I wonder if they will survey Rudd v Gilliard in the leadership stakes. Will the knifes sharpen on Rudd if results nosedive? Politics is heating up this election year. Gotta love it. P.S - Can't wait to see the swing against Labor in NSW today in the seat of Penrith.....OUCH! Labor scrutineers during campaigning have noted significant anti-Rudd Labor sentiment..... |
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Oh and Wombleoz, in this country...its a lot harder to find decent right wing analysis than left wing material [;)]
Your comrades have the ABC on side too. The pathetic cries of the Labor party of imbalanced reporting from the general media over the past 6 months is a joke - finally some true scrutiny of this government - after the free ride Rudd Labor experienced in 07-08. |
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VERY early result from Penrith by-election....
33% swing away from Labor to the Liberals..... |
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Now 3 booths reporting.......
3.5% counted projection....33% swing away from Labor to Liberals 21% swing to Liberals on primary vote 35% swing away from Labor on primary vote |
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7:30pm - Liberals have won the seat of Penrith.
No doubt. According to analysts this is the first time the Liberals have outpolled Labor on primary vote in Penrith. The Libs may well finish with more than 50% of first preferences. |
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John Thain ALP Percentage of 1st pref 24.5 Swing -24.1
Stuart Ayres LIB Percentage of 1st pref 52.4 Swing 19.9 |
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Huge result for the Liberal Party of NSW.
The mood for change is clear and resounding. And I doubt the baseball bats will be packed away for Rudd Labor....... |
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Spot on AP, the reason the miners are going so hard is that if the tax gets up here the world will follow.
It's a funny thing with media bias, all depends where you are a lot of left leaning sites keep going on about how right wing the ABC has become - IDIOTS. And Canberra bookie, my preference tends to end up with Labor but even I would struggle to vote for them in NSW although the premier is pretty hot [;)] Federal implications - NONE I am looking forward to the Newspoll - in some ways it would be good to see Labor do badly and dump Rudd, I would much rather Gillard, I don't see it happening though because even with Rudd and Labor going backwards the votes aren't going to the Liberals and Abbott is still well behind as preferred PM. |
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The thing is Wombleoz....you or I, who both have pretty clear voting intentions are not the ones that will decide the coming election, it is the true swinging voters in the marginals.......
 Newspoll will be fascinating. Politically, for the Coalition, I'm not sure how a Gilliard led Labor would fair (some say she would trounce us) - but I'm not so sure..changing leaders this close to an election is a little foolish - and don't be fooled, she's a full blown leftie, who has only just relenquished her membership to the Socialist movement.... If her true intentions were introduced under her Prime Ministership, god help us all.... All this leadership talk is not healthy for Rudd Labor, nor is this dragging mining issue (despite the arguments of both sides). Rudd Labor have an appalling record on promises vs delivery. This term despite the "we saved you GFC" rubbish, they've got nothing - the electorate ain't listening anymore. I hear a lot of talk about the Liberals not having any policy. What a load of nonsense. But why release it now? When it would be washed away by the daily troubles of the ALP? Labor supporters know damn well that the Coalition will release their formal policys for government at the optimum point of the electoral cycle - or the campaign. Despite my strong political preferences.... Maybe you would agree wombleoz.... I love election years!  |
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Just watch the preferred PM number Canberra Bookie, it's the reason why Rudd will win the next election. Gillard can take over afterwards, and take the country more to the left where we should be!!!
But yes indeedy, Love an election year [:D] |
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ombleoz Joined: 15 Feb 03
Replies: 821 19 Jun 10 14:56 Gillard can take over afterwards, and take the country more to the left where we should be!!! and so you admit your communist leanings womble- despite earlier denials. |
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LOL Yes Wombleoz....
Government knows best, don't let individuals make any choice for themselves.....lets all rely on government.... Faaarkk. Wombleoz has revealed himself. The reds under the bed are alive and well. PFFFFTTTT Move to China if your after govt cradling mate. Preferred PM stakes....your kidding yourself, is that what your holding onto? Incumbents always hold strong ground on the preferred PM - thats a fact. People have stopped listening to Rudd - thats the big point. You will not win the election with your current primary vote. It takes an election campaign to get the country awakened to politics - and as your next "they can't win" line - don't give me this "People won't elect Tony Abbott" garbage. Because guess what. Fraser said the same thing about Hawke in the 80's, Keating said the same thing about Howard in 96 and I'm sure Howard thought the same of the inexperienced Rudd. I know in your mind Wombleoz the thought of Rudd losing is just not logic, its not possible, it can't happen. ROFL. Ignore all the signs at your peril..... |
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you guys lol
there is a hell of a long way between where we are now and communism - labor went right to win the election, the greens are filling the massive hole to the left of both major parties Government has a vital role to provide services that i don't trust the private sector to do - e.g. hospitals, schools etc - it needs money via taxes to do that (not that tax system can't do with major reforms If thinking that makes me a communist you might want to re-read the definition Liberals are $2.76 on here to win, if you guys are so confident I'm sure you have loaded up already??? |