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By:
AFL
When: 31 May 10 11:01
Mrben, I would appreciate your views more if you could possibly put them without resorting to derogatory comments
about my gullibility,staunchness and IQ.....(spelling....well fair enough,) lol.

In fact the voice of the deluded, gullible and staunch carry the same  weight as all others, when it comes to elections.
Have a good break......Cheers.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 11:51
Aussie Punter - let us all know how the laptop for school students program is going?  Please?

LMAO.

Rudd Labor loves to promise & talk the talk.

It's big on rhetoric and bad on delivery.

The laptops in schools program is expected to blow-oout until 2013;

•State governments revolted over the fact that there was no consideration in the original budget for installation, maintenance and running costs of computers. This lead to a $1.2 billion taxpayer funded blow out.

•Parents are being charged with additional costs to take laptops home despite the Prime Minister claiming that this shouldn't happen.

•The last round of Senate Estimates revealed that only 154,000 of the promised 1,000,000 computers are actually functioning in schools.

•It has been plagued by criticism from educational experts about the possible detrimental impact on learning that heavy reliance on computers in classrooms can cause.

•It was revealed that no cost/benefit analysis was ever conducted.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:00
It is also not surprising to hear dismissal of the Howard years as a coasting ride on the back of the mining boom - this is a desperate ALP with there backs against the wall.

The Coalition rebuilt the Australian economy after Labor had left behind $96 billion in debt.

Remember the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997? 
Of course not, very convenient.

Naturally, we have heard a lot of reflection recently on the Howard years - what happened to ending the blame game, and I thought the buck stopped with Kevin Rudd?  What happened to the forward thinking future vision of Kevin07.

Australians have endured 2 and half years of what? - Waste, mismanagement, backflips, debt & a litany broken promises - thats the bottom line, and thats the record Kevin Rudd will take to this election.
By:
PA for PM
When: 31 May 10 12:03
http://johnhoward.blogspot.com/
By:
wombleoz
When: 31 May 10 12:07
Promised too much too early and hasn't delivered - I have to agree, that doesn't mean the promises have been bad though and as long as they get delivered it will still be a good thing.  Especially something like laptops in high schools - like Rudd said, the toolbox of the 21st century.

Does Abbott even know what a computer is? - he doesn't seem to be much of a fan

Anyways, will check in now and then until I get settled - have fun all :)
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:15
Remember the shots fired at John Howard during the 2007 campaign regarding government advertising?

Kevin Rudd described it as a "cancer on democracy" and that it wouldn't happen under Rudd Labor "absolutely" and that the Australian people can keep him to "account on that one".

The buck stops with me, he said in 2007.

LaughLaughLaughLaugh

Now we have Rudd Labor putting aside close to $40 million in the budget dedicated to "national emergency" whilst sneakily planning a panicked ad blitz on its new planned great big mining tax - and this was weeks and weeks ago - well before the mining industry knew of the tax, littlelone launched an ad campaign.

Devious, sneaky, deceitful Rudd Labor.

The last week has seen Rudd Labor's true colours shine brightly - last week in particular for the PM he misled parliament - blatently.

He states in parliament:  Mr Rudd  : "Let us go to the facts of this matter. Share prices around the world have fallen because of the crisis in Greece and the honourable Leader of the Opposition would know that. Secondly, within mining itself he is yet to adduce any data to support the proposition. So on proposition No 1 about the dollar, on proposition No 2 about the share price, on proposition No 3 about employment: wrong, wrong, wrong, against all the factual data."

The following day, Labor Minister Joe Ludwig releases a statement regarding the governments exemption from its own advertising rules & its new panicked ad blitz on mining: "I have also accepted the Treasurer's advice that, as the tax reforms involve changes to the value of some capital assets, they impact on financial markets."

Oh the deceit, the lies & incompetence and its only been 2 and half years - its no wonder ALP strategists are concerned - this government is in big trouble.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:22
I have to commend one Labor Minister for his honesty....

From 2007....

Peter Garrett you weren't joking when you said:

"When we get in, we'll just change it all"

LaughLaughLaugh

From Kevin07 hope & fluff - to waste, debt & total failure.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:23
P.S - Rudd's dishonesty to parliament came from a question from Mr Abbott regarding the great big tax on mining and the Coalitions view that it will cause "the collapsing dollar, the falling stockmarket, the suspension of projects and the evaporation of jobs".
By:
Kye
When: 31 May 10 12:30
labour's advertising is far worse that Workchoices or GST b/c the main purpose was to explain the implementation of those policies (although there is no doubt there was political gain from Workcoices ads).

But this advertising is only about politics & the election & there is no way our taxes should be payng for it. Even worse is Rudd going back on his words in 2007.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:31
Wombleoz, I admire your faith in Kevin.

But, why is it the 2007 election promises and commitments have been removed/deleted from the Labor Party's website?

ConfusedConfusedConfused

Many have been axed, plenty have been shambolic in attempted implementation & a bucketload are big dollar blowouts and are a long shot of being met.

Shame, Shame, Shame.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 31 May 10 12:33
Bingo! Kye.

Kevin Rudd's words in 2007 against government advertising are strong & cannot be mistaken.

And they're advertising on policy that has yet to be passed through parliament?

FFS.  Unbelievable. Shocked

They know they're in a tad of strife.
By:
AFL
When: 31 May 10 12:39
The DER website states that "the Australian government does not support the use of a fee, levy, co-contribution or bond arrangement to be paid by parents or carers to schools for a DER-funded computer."

Victorian's Education Department said yesterday it was "working with the school" to ensure that it had complied with federal funding rules

School principal Leon Bishop yesterday said he would work closely with the federal and state governments to "ensure we have complied with the program".

But he said the computers that were subject to a levy were in addition to the desktops and laptops purchased using federal funds.

"Our program this year is not related to the Rudd funding at all," he said.

A charity has stepped in to pay the "computer levy" for four low-income students attending Lilydale High School, a working-class suburb on Melbourne's eastern fringe.
.........................................................
Where did i find this article..... in Murdoch's EX- Australian of course..LOL.You have to fish the article to find the real NON story.
By:
AFL
When: 31 May 10 12:50
Abbott was asked 5 times in a press conference today if he would ban political Advertising if they were in Govt....and 5 times he refused to answer the question. LOL.
By:
Da_Judge
When: 31 May 10 12:59
this is probably the biggest bullsh1t thread that has ever been on this forum, it will achieve fk all, except that the lib supporters will tell us how bad labor is, and vice versa, when will you realize they're all tarred with the same brush,a bit like, same sh1t, different shovel ffs
By:
Da_Judge
When: 01 Jun 10 02:17
http://www.heineraffair.info/site_pages/Rudd.html

i wonder why the libs haven't run with this?
By:
PA for PM
When: 01 Jun 10 07:30
Beleive it or not Judge a very good friend of mine appears on that link

lololololol

btw - i agree with you re biggest bullsh1t thread
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 08:48
Bull$hit or not its the future of the country - Australia.

Like it or lump it.

I couldn't give a damn about those who choose to stay away and not contribute or listen - thats an individual decision.

No one forces you to click back into this thread, day after day. FFS.

Bit of debate and banter and political discussion never hurt anybody.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 08:52
I might be passionate about the Libs, AFL is passionate about Labor - there's no serious hating going on, just thick debate with a touch of sarcasm & banter.

ShockedShockedShocked

Big deal. 

Plenty of threads I'm aint interested in on the forum - and hey - you know what - I steer clear.

But hey, its an open, free, democratic forum Silly

Bull$hit, mock, critisise & scoff away!
By:
Da_Judge
When: 01 Jun 10 08:54
jez, pa for pm has started a thread for you, on the politics forum
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 01 Jun 10 08:56
Lost in my Super again.
By the time i Retire will be $0
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:02
ROFL

C'mon Judge, this is the Australian Forum.

Plenty of different topics discussed all over the place.

LaughLaugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:08
Turn it up!

You wanna start shifting people & topics across to the appropriate forums based on subject - your gonna be a busy pair.
By:
Da_Judge
When: 01 Jun 10 09:12
i agree jez, just talking political parties, neither has a chance of converting the other, or accepting the others points, but i don't mind it being here, it was just a bit of humour on PAs part, which i found quite amusing
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:23
I give in - I'm retiring from political comment for now - until the campaign at least[;)]

All the best to my debating foes - its been enjoyableGrin

Back to punt.

Goodluck all, on the punt & politically. LaughMischief
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:25
Hoist the white flag Jez ?
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:29
Don't want to upset my fellow forumites with political debate......

I've had my say, well over my fair share on this threadMischief

I spend my life living & breathing politics - its probably reasonable to leave this great forum clear of my opinions.
By:
AFL
When: 01 Jun 10 09:36
I'll retire to the backbenches as well [:x].....appreciated the debate Jez....good luck with the punt.Grin
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:43
well said AFL....also enjoyed the debate

goodluck comrade Laugh[;)]

and all the best on the punt mate! Cool
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 01 Jun 10 09:56
Ive enjoyed it lads, don't beat yourselves up too muchLaugh
By:
Mrben
When: 07 Jun 10 02:20
Aussie P, PA 4 PM and other comrades.

Read the latest opinion polls and weep!Cry
Your beloved pretender kevin dudd's days are coming to an end.
You just can't fool the people forever and australians are seeing through this fiasco of a govt.

he Australian electorate has delivered its first political death threat to Kevin Rudd.

For the first time since Rudd became Labor leader, a major opinion poll has found that the voting public would decisively reject the party at an election.

Today's poll gives Tony Abbott's Coalition a commanding 53 per cent of the measure that decides elections - the two-party share of the vote.

And the government's standing has suffered accordingly. "This is a big protest against the government,'' said the Herald's pollster, Nielsen's John Stirton. ''It looks like a protest against Kevin Rudd."

A protest against dudd.

Comrades- get back to the opposition benches where you belong.[;)]
By:
Mrben
When: 07 Jun 10 02:23
sorry that first line should read

AFL,PA 4 PM  and other comrades.

apologies aussie P
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 07 Jun 10 02:24
if Gilllard becomes PM
i am moving to Kosovo
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 07 Jun 10 02:44
Apology accepted MrBen.

Four Corners tonight at 8:30pm are doin a exposay on the Mining tax reform . I heardthe reporter on radio and the radio jock ,on 4BC in Brissy, gave her some air time.She basically dispelled a few myths on both sides and said the show was going to explain the tax(or try to ) and pull apart the spin from both sides.
Compelling viewing
By:
angelo2
When: 07 Jun 10 04:37
I feel really sorry for the labour party. I think they have done some really good things and have some very talented people such as Gillard, Swan, Tanner etc. The problem is they have a leader who is a complete fake and a control freak ego maniac. As i said before I voted for labour at the last election but I was fooled. rudd is the worst Prime Minister in Australias history.
By:
Da_Judge
When: 07 Jun 10 04:39
he doesn't do a bad job at eating his own earwax though
By:
Mrben
When: 07 Jun 10 10:23
Its all falling apart for labor. In QLD a whopping 69% DISapprove of Anna Bligh, the premier.They can't win an election with that unpopular a leader.The false promises, economic mismanagement and total disregard to the future  are sealing labor's fate in this country.
  Did you see dudd being interviewed after his disaster poll was released?.The cockiness is almost gone as the realisation that his goose is cooked and he will go down as the worst PM for some time.
  The resources tax was one of the dumbest moves seen in australian politics for sometime.

   RIP the kevin dudd years.Laugh
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 07 Jun 10 11:47
MrBen, looking at the big picture here, part of the reason the miners are throwing the massive dollars is to defeat this in Australia.They are crapping themselves about other countries following.Let me tell you, this would of been discussed at private International level, whilst those resource countries are sitting quiet, it will set a precedent and with the World economy as it is, the others will follow.

Totally agree with you about Qld.Need a Liberal Gov't as they have been in too long and are totally unaccountable.Their is absolutely no need for privatisation in Qld , as these buisnesses (rail,port etc)are great revenue earners.They have to go.The people don't want privatisation and they will be booted for their arrogance
By:
Monday mike
When: 07 Jun 10 13:07
If Queensland does not want to abide by Legislation made for all Australians to benefit, pisss of and start your own country, only thing they will make their money on then will be Mining and exporting frogs legs to France.  Mining looks good for another 20 years and at present Mining companies are only paying 12 cents in the dollar tax, how could Mining Bosses be so greedy.?  I say pay your share of tax like all Australians or take your shovels to China and dig there.
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 07 Jun 10 13:17
Four Corners program dispelled a lot of bullshit from the Miners.
Also supported the fear that other countries will adopt profit based taxes and they are digging in for a fight.

Good Luck with all the spin on this and kudo's to 4 Corners for explaining this is far more than just about Australia
By:
Monday mike
When: 07 Jun 10 21:42
someones has to pay for the painting of your old rusted up bridge.
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