Of course GEORGE, i had what i thought to be a good idea which Betfair might back, but no. I never mentioned it before as i thought i needed to test the water so to speak.

No word on this thread from Reged & momms, where are you dudes?

I have to close down now. Bye.

Couple of suggestions.

1 No duplicate selections for every day not just last. Not sure what happens with standing instructions like LRF though!

2 Have bonuses every day. 3 pts for longest price. 2 points for next longest, and 1 point for 3rd longest.

Poeple  who fluke   outsiders should lose  pts
10-1 to 20-1  lose 5pts
20 -30 lose 5pts
30  upwards lose 10pts
This comp should  be  about skill
and not about pin  jobs

I agree with Lampus.

Keep the views/opinions coming guys & gals. Whichever road we look to go down i feel it will be impossible to please everyone, as per the last time when changes were muted. So any changes would have to be minor and they would have to be incorporated into our automated spreadsheet if possible, someone with better IT skills than me would have to decide if that was possible.

Owzabahtthatthen         

Half the trouble is no-one is responsible / has been nominated as the rule makers.

Like my question about being allowed to pick in tomorrow night's BC, there's fecker to decide, give a yes / no.

Perhaps we need, say, 3 respected forumites / volunteers to decide how best to run the naps league? And what they propose is voted on by the rest of us in the league.

All these suggestions are meaningless if there is no-one to give a yes / no.

Fwiw, settling at BFSP looks the best and fairest option, imo, if the settlers agree.

GEORGE - i decided quickly re Breeders cup selections. As i said, i personally don`t mind but i have to stick rigidly to the rules for obvious reasons. The rules can be changed and in this instance for next year.

I`m not too happy with the suggestion of three respected forumites deciding on the running of the naps league.

Regarding the naps comp, it`s a very difficult area and one i`ve given alot of thought to. So what i`d like to suggest is putting BSP to the vote.

Only you'll have to wait cos there's tonights stuff to settle first!

Shane, guess I'm thinking of how well run undecided's comps are. He decides the format and rules, which of course happen to be logical and fair, and those of us who compete in ud's comps are happy to do so.

As for the naps league, I haven't a clue who decided the rules and who is responsible for making decisions ie there is no go-to forumite.

If we have a query in one of undecided's comps, we know who to ask! Do you see what I'm getting at?

Re. The naps league rules. They just follow any normal Naps table rules. Not sure whether the last race rules were introduced at a later date to prevent tactical napping.

I believe the leagues may have been started by non other than Ratpack a long time ago in a distant galaxy...

Must say shane that for obvious reasons I've always seen you as the capo di settlers ...

I`ve always been of the opinion that i`ll listen to anyone with a decent suggestion. As stated above we have a very good format and i don`t think we need to make wholesale changes.

You cant please all of the people all of the time.
You are doing a good job lads its just a bit of fun and if somebody wants to have a 1/3 shot everday to finish mid table thats not a problem.
Any idiot knows the best punters are the punters that show the most profit over time not the most winners.
Changing the rules may cause harder work for the organisers and yes it is a bit of fun trying to climb the divisions but at the end of the day whoever shows the most profit at the end of each year regardles of what league they are in is the champion punter of that year in my eyes.

and petemac is spot on...it's not what division you are in that matters, it's your overall profit in a 12 month period that shows your ability

One of the problems is that different people approach the naps competition in completely different ways - as is clear from some of the posts here - but in my view that's one of its great strengths.

-- for some it's about showing they are the top napster of the month or year with big-priced winners
-- others like to nibble away with more winners at lower prices, maybe not to prove anything more than they can make a profit
-- for others it's simply about surviving in a competitive structure
-- I'm sure some just like posting naps each day and not a few who just post their favourite tipster
-- what would you do with tightfisted and grok who, certainly when they were in my div, religiously posted the longest RP losing streak napster?

Which of those is not valid? And how necessarily would you tell anyway? And how would you police it? The Naps Comp is meant to be fun for everyone, and everyone gets their fun in different ways. And, speaking as a settler, I think it's as complicated as it needs to be already.

I joined the comp because I thought I ought to if I was going to be a settler. I never imagined I would get promoted, let alone reach Div 1. When I was in Div 3 I wasn't really fussed, so punted some fairly big numbers (and was stunned when some of them won). Now I am in Div 1 my thoughts are different, because I am competitive. So maybe at the start of the month I'll punt some bigger numbers and see what happens. But as the end of the month approaches, if that hasn't worked (), like my football club Ipswich, my prime concern becomes avoiding relegation (3rd bad managerial choice in a row doesn't bode well). And yes, if that means backing Frankel on the basis that at least I don't get the dreaded -1 that inches me nearer the drop, then I'll do it. But that and all the calculating and plotting involved, makes it fun for me. Is that wrong? We can't all be god's gift to napping!

I do wonder about all the odds-on shots that are punted, simply because by my analysis they lose overall (bit of a layers' paradise if you know what you're doing IMO). And I am surprised by those in the top half of the Premiership who don't make more of an effort to grab the title. But won't they eventually get found out as new blood rises to the top - watch out for that china castle fella for instance, he's not afraid to give it a go. And I've seen a few more go through my Div that I think will give you guys a run for your money (not madhatter though! ).

But even so, this is a divisional structure and that inevitably skews the nature of the competition away from a pure 'top napster' comp. If that's all you want then everyone has to be in the same division, so the intent is clear and relegation  is not an issue. But that would make it an entirely different competition.

I do not like the bonus points idea at all. It's more work for the likes of us - maybe not a lot, I don't know, but there's enough to do as it is. And it just makes it more artificial. If you want a competition that discriminates against short priced selections then simply ban them. Do the reverse of our lay comp, which has a ceiling of 7 BSP, and say no entries below 2/1 or whatever. But that would again make it a different competition, upsetting the traditions that have been set in  this and any comparative record-keeping that people do. And who would police the prices (and how)?

The idea of moving to BSP has merit and should be quite easy to do. This is on a Betfair forum after all! But again, you would lose all comparisons with the past. And I always say, beware the law of unintended consequences. For instance, who's to say going to the higher BSP prices wouldn't actually make short-priced nags more interesting for many people, not less?

HTH

MADHATTER SAID - i still think it ain't broke so leave it alone

100% agree.

It is a resounding success.

The leagues generate 1000 posts per week and 5000 views per week.

For those thinking the leagues aren't a fair reflection of ability then the last rolling naps table showed that 16 of the top 20 napsters were in the prem.

It is run so well that we have practically zero issues - unheard of. Some people need to a grow a pair and be thankful.

and Ming, for those of us (me and petemac!) that are more interested in the rolling tables then, so long as undecided keeps doing them for us, then we can all be happy!

undecided is very much respected and i`d value his opinion too.