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JW asks "what s got to do with what i posted for j2blue?"
It has everything to do with what you posted for J2BLUE. You berated him that the yuan couldn't possibly be a global reserve currency backed by gold because China does not have enough gold. Yet the US gold reserves that haven't been audited since the 50's, you know, the ones that have been "leased" out to the banks for years now to suppress the price of gold, yes, those reserves, may not even be there. The US dollars global reserve status is preserved by the world's biggest military, one that's parked itself inside and at the doorstep of oil producing countries, NOT BY GOLD RESERVES. |
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I agree with J2 that chinas gold reserves are far higher in reality than official numbers published. Actually I don't believe a single number that comes out of china.It's all propaganda from a communist govt.Its only the direction/trend that is true.
But I also agree with JW that the yuan will never become a reserve currency for the same reasons.Can't be trusted.Truth is a foreign concept in china where deception is a way of life. If the world reserve currency were to change the euro would be at the top of the list. Other contenders would be the swissy or a scandanavian ccy. How about the AUD stable democracy, strong economy, rising in value. Maybe not, We are too resource dependant.Resource downturn sees the AUD plummet.The reality is that unless the USD does actually collapse, not just fall, its the most likely to remain the nominated reserve ccy, even if less and less transactions are using USD. A friend of mine who imports art into aust from asia has recently been told that she can pay in AUD now.Previously all payments had to be made in USD. |
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ben, does one ounce of gold weigh more in Ooohstraaalia?
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inflation shhhhmaflation this super should pay 5 figures and I hit it 5 times
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you guys are the financial guys can you help me with this
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sad melly, sad man.
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melly????
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JW asks "what s got to do with what i posted for j2blue?"
It has everything to do with what you posted for J2BLUE. You berated him that the yuan couldn't possibly be a global reserve currency backed by gold because China does not have enough gold. Yet the US gold reserves that haven't been audited since the 50's, you know, the ones that have been "leased" out to the banks for years now to suppress the price of gold, yes, those reserves, may not even be there. ????? my point is not that the yuan cannot become the reserve ccy. my point is that the yuan cannot become a gold-backed reserve ccy. who cares wheter the us have gold or not, the dollar is not been convertible for the last 40yrs. i know you like your diatribes and always want to have the last word, but seriously? you re trying to argue about nothing now. good luck tomorrow. |
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No single country will "own" the next world reserve currency. It will be one based on a basket of currencies AND GOLD. Fiat alone will never be trusted again as a store and exchange of value after all this money printing binge we witnessed and will continue to witness because this is far from over yet. If the worse case for fiat currency happens (ie, $US collapses and hyperinflation ensues) then all bets are off. The next world reserve currency will be based on gold and gold alone. All this just my opinion of course.
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Melanie
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My estimate is that REAL inflation in the UK right now is running close to 10pc. That's MASSIVE
10 per cent (i'm frankly very sceptical of that) is not of the same order of magnitude as massive in my book. if only you could been so clear about how humdrum your notion of massive inflation was we could have saved a lot of time. anyway we've reached somewhere near the end of your poorly defined timescale and inflation has risen only very slightly since you made your big song and dance. you were wrong. |
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Actually, your post gives me hope that you are finally starting to get it, then again may be not. You've gone from a complete denial inflation was actually prevalent, to CPI inflation is rising to now 10pc......but frankly you are sceptical. I say you've come a long ways.
If you don't think 10pc is massive "in your book" as far as inflation goes, then it's your problem. My time time was never "ill defined", it was never defined, despite your screaming and hollering repeatedly for one. Why? Precisely because I could sense your intentions. You weren't asking because you were genuinely interested, you were asking so you could come back at some time in the future and shout....YOU WERE WRONG. Try again. Your impatience and definition of massive got the better of you. Sometimes I wonder why I bother on here...... |
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not massive
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oh feck- which is it melly?????????????????????
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz hyperinflation or deflation????? please advise. or get canadian to advise.Same same. |
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No single country will "own" the next world reserve currency. It will be one based on a basket of currencies AND GOLD. Fiat alone will never be trusted again as a store and exchange of value after all this money printing binge we witnessed and will continue to witness because this is far from over yet. If the worse case for fiat currency happens (ie, $US collapses and hyperinflation ensues) then all bets are off. The next world reserve currency will be based on gold and gold alone. All this just my opinion of course. "
really?? by when????? the year 3000? what a ludicrious post. no doubt your daughters were making you tired while you were writing a report running to a meeting. translation- your sick of working 7 days a week flipping burgers and having your boss yell at you while your daughters wish you wern't such a loser. |
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Benny, you'll find all the answers you are looking for right here:
Menelaus Joined: 03 Feb 05 Replies: 734 17 Jun 11 00:24 .......... The real sad part about this forum is that it is literally "open" to everyone. All the way from those with a genuine understanding of finance, economics, the markets, the role of the FED and central banks and well......money, and there's many posters like that on here, all the way to an epic ignoramus who feels the need to poison EVERY thread with his ignorance like Benny. ................. |
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You've gone from a complete denial inflation was actually prevalent, to CPI inflation is rising to now 10pc......but frankly you are sceptical. I say you've come a long ways.
wrong. inflation is almost always prevalent. it is well below 10 per cent at present imo. Why? Precisely because I could sense your intentions. You weren't asking because you were genuinely interested, you were asking so you could come back at some time in the future and shout....YOU WERE WRONG. So what's he point of making claims which aren't falsifiable? Your impatience and definition of massive got the better of you. Sometimes I wonder why I bother on here...... I didn't define it. I asked you to define to it since it was your term. You couldn't do so, demonstrating that you suspected you were talking out of your hat at the time, which events have since demonstrated fairly clearly. So, yeah, I'm wondering why you bother too. |
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charlatan, if there's a more appropriate name used by a poster on here please point it out to me.
wrong. inflation is almost always prevalent. it is well below 10 per cent at present imo. This is certainly a BIG change to your position (always prevalent) and about the 10pc thing, you're entitled to your opinion but you should get out more, eat better, buy a car, buy a house and you may change your mind. So what's he point of making claims which aren't falsifiable? I wasn't "making claims", I never "make claims", I just state the facts as I know them. And the more honest the debate, the more sincere the interest in what I'm saying, the more DETAILED my message. In your case, it was clear from the outset that the ONLY reason you wanted to pin me down to an exact number (how much is massive?) and exact timing (when?) was to come back and ridicule me later. If you are wondering how I sensed that, you can start by how often you participate on here in discussions beyond keep bringing this post up again and again and, well......how shall I put it.....charlatan (duhhh!!!!) I didn't define it. I asked you to define to it since it was your term. You couldn't do so, demonstrating that you suspected you were talking out of your hat at the time, which events have since demonstrated fairly clearly. So, yeah, I'm wondering why you bother too. You have to come up with something way more original than that.....I think I just read "I didn't define it" somewhere before. You did....by posting. The next line above is some words put together at random it seems, I'll let you know what I think of it when I get a six grader to translate it for me. Why do I bother? Because I enjoy bringing the "best" out of characters like you...... |
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This is certainly a BIG change to your position (always prevalent) and about the 10pc thing, you're entitled to your opinion but you should get out more, eat better, buy a car, buy a house and you may change your mind.
I did not say always prevalent. I said almost always prevalent. Cheap money is usually in the short term interest of government. However it is pretty clear that governments are having to struggle unusually hard to keep inflating at present since they have defied economic "gravity" for an increasing length of time. Surely I'd have to buy at least two cars and two houses since I've never bought either in this country in the past. FYI I eat an unusually healthy diet but one doesn't have to eat at the top end to note a degree of inflation in food prices over the past couple of years (unlike the houses you mentioned which are at the same nominal level as in 2004 or 2006 depending on which of the surveys you choose to believe). Either way I'd rather not waste my cash on a statistically insignificant survey. Glasgow to Brum on the train next week for £7: who needs a car ![]() I wasn't "making claims", I never "make claims", I just state the facts as I know them. And the more honest the debate, the more sincere the interest in what I'm saying, the more DETAILED my message. You asserted that something *would* happen in the near future. That wasn't a fact but you did state it and it didn't happen. Now, conveniently, as soon as you have been demonstrated completely wrong, you imply that you didn't offer detail because you weren't being sincere. That would be fine if you had admtted as much when challenged and if you hadn't said less than a day earlier and again in the same paragraph that you had omitted the detail because of your fear of being proved incorrect. Get your story straight. "I didn't define it" somewhere before. You did....by posting. So everyone on the thread has defined massive inflation by your reckoning? Clown! All I've offered is that it's at least an order of magnitude bigger than 10%. That's no definition. |
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If you are wondering how I sensed that, you can start by how often you participate on here in discussions beyond keep bringing this post up again and again and, well......how shall I put it.....charlatan (duhhh!!!!)
i think you'll find i've been posting here since before you and your alterego set up your accts. if you're bored enough you can find loads of my posts on the house price thread. |
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charlatan, thanks for the debate, let's chat again sometime. Cheers.
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When they are "officially" telling you price inflation is running at 5.2%, how much do you think REAL price inflation is running at? And this doesn't even include the effects of QE2 which won't work their way through the system until 6-12 months AFTER QE2 is completed.
Are you getting yet charlatan, or are you still thinking that bubble housing prices reverting to historic means is deflation? Deflation is ONLY to be found on bank balance sheets, nowhere else. Which invokes the typical response from a central bank to save the banking system by.....wait for it...printing money. Which means inflation to you and I. Are you getting it yet? |
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When they are "officially" telling you price inflation is running at 5.2%, how much do you think REAL price inflation is running at? And this doesn't even include the effects of QE2 which won't work their way through the system until 6-12 months AFTER QE2 is completed.
somewhere between 3 and 7%. my own experience is less than 5% but perhaps i'm lucky. it does include the one off vat increase and the arse end of QE1. it also doesn't include the period in which the cuts are supposed to really bite. government has done more than ever before to stoke inflation and all it can manage is three point something per cent once its own tax increases are factored out. meanwhile the deflationary forces haven't disappeared, there is no significant wage inflation and your predicted massive inflation hasn't happened. if you didn;'t have a recor dhas the forum's top blowhard i'd expect you to be somewhat chastened at this point. |
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P(hyperinflation in 2011) now downgraded from miniscule to less than P(gordon brown regains labour leadership and becomes pm).
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Sorry to see you still have your head buried deep up your arse.
somewhere between 3 and 7%. my own experience is less than 5% but perhaps i'm lucky My own experience says 10pc but I forgot I'm not as lucky as you. I have a family to provide shelter for, feed, clothe, educate and look after their medical and other basic sustenance expenses. meanwhile the deflationary forces haven't disappeared What deflationary forces??? Point them out to me??? What cost's less today than it did last year, or the year before. What? Food? Energy? Insurance? Education? What? Oh, I almost forgot, you still think that bubble housing prices reverting to a historic mean price that buyers can afford is deflation. And yes, electronic gadgets that are introduced to the market with a price premium for the early adopters which soon after drops to reality for the mass market. Some deflation. The ONLY deflation taking place is on bank balance sheets. End of. The central banks respond by printing to cover the hole and voila, just like magic, inflation for the rest of us. Or at least those of us who still like to light up and keep our homes warm and have a decent meal on occasion. One of these days you'll join the dots, of that I'm sure. |
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I agree with inflation at 10%, that's what I'm finding.
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My own experience says 10pc but I forgot I'm not as lucky as you. I have a family to provide shelter for, feed, clothe, educate and look after their medical and other basic sustenance expenses.
i don't live in the se. my rent is not increasing (and a similar flat below has just been rented for the same rent i signed up for three and a half years ago). food is up 6% apparently (seems plausible). education costs won't affect me for a good decade yet. medical stuff is still free (obviously someone else is paying for it but it ain't me). council tax is unchanged. internet is unchanged. bus is unchanged. train has gone up by 4 or 5% iirc. tv something similar. phone maybe 10%. electricity much more. heating oil there was a big run up until about last december iirc. that covers 90+% of our spending. What deflationary forces??? Point them out to me??? What cost's less today than it did last year, or the year before. most things cost more. that's why we have 5.something% inflation. but if there weren't massive deflationary forces caused by a collapse of credit (actually something like a return to the mean but most seem still not to accept this) the actions of the b of e would have caused rip roaring inflation (as you predicted but has not materialised). however the existing deflationary forces are increasing unemployment, decreasing willingness to consume, a combination of unwillingness to take out/offer credit and the spectre of a depression across the channel as the currency union of our biggest trading partners falls apart. we've been through this cycle a few times now as the powers that be desperately attempt to stave off deflation. each time rates are cut the resulting boom is weaker. eventually it will be nonexistent and we'll be in a japanese fix. the only way you'll be proved right in the end is if the b of e's reaction to this is sufficiently drastic. but there comes a point at which such action won't be politically palatable. those who suffer from inflation are far more likely to vote than those who suffer from deflation. |
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are you still thinking that bubble housing prices reverting to historic means is deflation?
it is (the inflationary episode was when rates were too low and pirces went through the roof) although the situaiton here hasn't changed much lately. just a small drop in prices probably offset by a small rise in rents in some areas (certainly not much here). |
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You are incorrigible.....and I don't have the time, patience or the desire to make you see the light. Last chance for you to connect the dots.
I've already been proven right, it's just that you are too stubborn to admit it. Real inflation is running around 10pc, not the 5+ something your lying government would like you to believe, nor the conclusion you've come to solely on the basis of your individual circumstances. Never make financial decisions on the basis of information from a statistical sample of one. If you are referring to "being right" by believing that hyperinflation is how this ends, then you just have to be patient. Bouts of deflation/inflation first, then hyperinflation. We're still early in the game. I was hoping not to repeat this since benny left the forum to go work in an orphanage but inflation and deflation are monetary events (increase/decrease in money supply blah blah blah) but hyperinflation is not. It's simply loss of confidence in fiat money. So any fool who argues "wages are not going up" so we can't have hyperinflation is ignorant of history. Were wages rising in Zimbabwe? How about Yugoslavia? Russia? Perhaps Argentina? The answer is an emphatic NO. But wages were rising astronomically during the Weimar hyperinflation incident is the typical response I get. Wages were skying as a result of hyperinflation, not the other way around. You are mentioning "deflation" in your posts like it's some vague concept, it's sort of out there, can't see it, can't feel it, can touch it, don't know where it is but (according to you evidently) counteracts the actions of printing money and keeps inflation low. There's a reason why you are confused. It's because deflation is ONLY to be found on bank balance sheets. Nowhere else. That's why when I say give me an example where prices are dropping, you have none.....except housing of course which is NOT deflation except again on a bank balance sheet if the bearer of the mortgage defaults. No discussion about inflation/deflation can have any meaning unless one understands the impact of the world's reserve currency on price inflation. Why? Because OIL (and all commodities) is priced in USDs. Try and wrap your head around this chart, then take a deep breath and let go of your deflation dogma beliefs, so you don't get hurt financially - provided you have something to protect that is: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1?cid=25 |
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The general expectations of people are currently depressed and hence the economic mood feels deflationary.
How that current situation converts eventually into hyperinflation is something I'm not yet convinced of, despite Menelaus' apparent firm convictions that it is seemingly a given. I think it's more likely or probable that inflation will carry on at the current levels for a long, long time, with people slowly adjusting their mood and expectations upwards as they come to accept that there has been no real paradigm change. However, unlike Menelaus, I'm prepared to admit that I could be very, very wrong, theoretically at least. |
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the odds of hperinflation would approach a billion/1.
melly likes to bet each way so he can claim he was right.He preaches doom and gloom but also is backing hyperinflation? this classic "Bouts of deflation/inflation first, then hyperinflation. " In other words " I'll have 5 each way thanks " no one could take such rubbish seriously. |
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Benny, these concepts are so over your head it must feel to you like all my posts are written in chinese.
We're in the eye of the storm, Benny. Deflation and inflation indicators abound, you only have to know where to look and understand what they mean. Why do you think the BoE is doing QE and prepared to do more evidently when even by national statistics heavily manipulated numbers price inflation is running well ahead of their target? Pardon me, I used the work "think" in there, silly me. Let's start over again. Benny, it's because what deflation means to the BoE has nothing to do with what deflation means to you. FFS Benny, you can't even define these concepts let alone understand them. You see, Benny, MONEY IS CREATED AS DEBT (never forget that Benny - it was my first free lesson to you), so when the BoE talks about deflation, the deflation they are referring to is.........DEBT DESTRUCTION (aka money and credit destruction). Money and credit evaporates through ASSET deflation that destroys bank balance sheets. And what's their answer? But to create more fiat money of course, to cover the gaping hole. Because if they don't, the ponzi scheme of creating fiat money out of thin air comes to an end (no exponential growth to cover compounding interest) and the monetary system collapses. Notice I didn't say the economy collapses, that comes immediately after the monetary system collapse. And all this time you thought it was about the average Andy Capp, creating jobs, the productive economy, the CPI, didn't you Benny? You see Benny, the banks capital base for leverage is the spread between borrowing very short from the central bank (how's close to zero sound to you?) and lending at the long end of the curve. Deflation drops the spread between the short and the long end since so far the mighty BoE hasn't figured out a way to make the short term nominal rates negative (they are working on it). So, when you have reduced capital and you have to start unwinding levered positions at some 20X plus then.....how shall I put it......well, you blow up. So what's the answer Benny? If you said print more money to save the financial system again, you would be correct. Pardon me Benny, I didn't mean to start talking mandarin......... Deflation is the stepmother of hyperinflation Benny, and hyperinflation is NOT a monetary event nor is "very high inflation" like you thought, but a stupid simpleton like you still doesn't get it. Why? Because you never knew and evidently still don't know how money gets created, the most fundamental thing in economics, what makes the world go round. There's ONLY one way out, Benny. The losses from toxic assets have to be taken allowing the bad debts to clear the system OR destroy the currency in an effort to prevent it. Bernanke has already chosen the latter, everything else is noise. How do you spell epic ignorance in cantonese? Anyone? Anyone? |
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Now it would be really nice if Menelaus would continue his excellent tutorial in economic theory and detail how Bernanke et al ( all experienced and knowledgeable economists ? ) presumably expect and explain that their current well publicised and well documented actions are NOT going to end in hyperinflation.
Or is there no absolutely no possible theoretical possibility at all that this will occur ? Or is the probability perhaps so low that it is irrelevant to the likes of Menelaus and hence us ordinary folks ? |
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I don't have the time, patience or the desire to make you see the light.
but you have to muster a response because the ego demands it ![]() So any fool who argues "wages are not going up" so we can't have hyperinflation is ignorant of history. who is arguing that? i'm not. i made it clear that hyperinflation could not be ruled out in my earlier post. you were plain wrong about inflation in the short term and unable to admit it. i have never claimed that hyperinflation is impossible as the end result of the economic carnage simply because government has it in its power to create it at with relatively simple acts of extreme stupidity. "deflation" in your posts like it's some vague concept it is a vague concept. some refer to it in credit terms, some in money supply terms and some in price terms for starters. all of those are tircky to measure accurately. most things are going up in price terms. but not massively (as per your now expired prediction). except housing of course which is NOT deflation except again on a bank balance sheet if the bearer of the mortgage defaults. so as an individual you're happy to claim around ten per cent inflation based on no data whatsoever and expect me to accept it (yet averring that we shouldn't make financial decisions based on such estimates) while discounting the biggest item of most households' expenditure for no reason other than because you say so. inspired yet oddly unconvincing. |
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No point in debating with someone who makes it up as we go along and evidently struggles to understand basic arithmetic.
As the poster boy of the deflationista movement on here, you were expecting and predicting DEFLATION, as in lower prices which cause an economic slow down spiral which leads to more deflation with more slow down, more lower prices and on and on. Instead we are witnessing price inflation officially running more than twice the target at 5.3pc, in reality running a lot higher than that, about 10pc by my estimation and *you* think I got it wrong. Priceless !!! The only irony in all this is that's it's probably my tax money that even allows a mug like you to exist. One of our major issues in this country is that successive failed governments have allowed the UK to become a nanny state to useless, unproductive, system abusing mugs. Just out of curiosity, have you had another baby yet to claim another maternity allowance? |
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The only reason I ask it's because you mentioned it in one of your posts in the past if I'm not mistaken. Otherwise, I couldn't give a toss to be honest.
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No I think that one of the major issues is that successive failed governments have allowed the country to become a feeding trough for useless, finance system abusing investment bankers.
Bankers such as Menelaus and his cohorts still do not accept that they have been, and still are, the prime abusers in tearing this country ( and others) apart. And they have the temerity to lecture others on their contributions or otherwise to society. You couldn't make it up. Astounding stuff. |
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As the poster boy of the deflationista movement on here, you were expecting and predicting DEFLATION, as in lower prices which cause an economic slow down spiral which leads to more deflation with more slow down, more lower prices and on and on.
bet you can't provide a quote which justifies that claim! as i've said many times the b of e's actions are deliberately designed to avoid the above and stave off this threat of deflation. this has become ever harder to achieve (leading one to suspect that massive inflation is increasingly unlikely) and so their actions are ever more stupid (which gives you the outside chanc eof eventual hyperinflation). iirc i've never predicted that deflation would happen within a particular timescale or how long it would last for (it has never gone on and on forever so it would be a very bold man who claimed that was around the corner) but before the monetary fiddling began it was very common. i'm working on the another baby thing on a fairly regular basis at present. i expect it'll come to pass before our next bout of massive inflation! The only irony in all this is that's it's probably my tax money that even allows a mug like you to exist. One of our major issues in this country is that successive failed governments have allowed the UK to become a nanny state to useless, unproductive, system abusing mugs. our net assets are more than ten times the total benefits/tax credits we've received from government and total less than the future savings to government of us homeschooling our kids. ironically i'm very economically libertarian and you refuse to reveal your political opinions beyond demanding that the government assert that your laughable predictions are correct. anyway let's have your P(massive inflation before 2012 end) and P(hyperinflation before 2012 end) for the UK with whatever definition you state for massive. |
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I filled up my Porsche Panorama this morning at £1.43 per liter. And if you are stupid enough to still not get what's going on, that's why I'm driving one and you are not.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I filled up my Porsche Panorama this morning but when I got back in the battery went flat.![]() So I called my private butler bosworthington to open the 27 car garage and pick a vehicle to come get me.He replied "i'll grab the lamborghini " sure or the Hummer will do also, that Rolls just chews up too much juice. ![]() After bosw picked me up I called a tow truck to take the PP to the wreckers as I now considered it not worthy. ![]() We drove to the airport where I boarded my private jet.Elton John was waiting there and asked me if he could snag a lift. I told him there was'nt room.He replied " but its a 30 seat jet!" What can I say- I like my privacy. ![]() My morning then commenced.A quick visit to france where we would land and I would take a chopper{ mine also} for a quick dip in the pool at my french villa. ![]() Back to the airport and its off to Zurich to dump a few million in cash into my hidden accounts. ![]() Then onto NYC for lunch and a chat with Trumpie about concrete prices. I need to know that because I'm thinking of buying the Mykonos and paving it over. ![]() My name is Melanus and this is my life. ![]() |