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By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 16:38

Jun 4, 2024 -- 4:33PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


I see Novak fans are seething on twitter. Disgusting fanbase and cult.


He just assembles an extra obnoxious fringe compared to the others. I'm reasonably positive that there are other people sympathetic to Djokovic....somewhere.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:41
if he ran for presidency in Serbia, how big would the victory margin be?
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:43
but maybe he himself actually has super powers if he can win an R16 match and play for +4hs with a torn meniscus.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 04 Jun 24 16:45
Yeah, I really can't get my head around that if that is the official diagnosis which is being speculated. The human body with adrenaline and medication can do incredible things it seems
By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 16:46
More evidence that tennis barely has any bigger physicality than chess.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:46

Jun 4, 2024 -- 4:38PM, edy wrote:


Jun  4, 2024 --  4:33PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:I see Novak fans are seething on twitter. Disgusting fanbase and cult.He just assembles an extra obnoxious fringe compared to the others. I'm reasonably positive that there are other people sympathetic to Djokovic....somewhere.


it's ever "ah, this happened. Bad luck" or "Well that sucks, but this happened because it's a consequense of Novak's choices". It's always a conspirancy and tennis authorities favoring Rafa and Roger over him.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:47
*it's never
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:47
*conspiracy
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:48
Matthew Willis @mattracquet
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Main question for Djokovic is what kind of meniscus tear he has. Small avascular area tear that can be excised/trimmed? Very quick rehab and return (Fritz was back playing within 3 weeks for e.g). Bigger tear that needs surgical repair + healing? 6 months or more recovery

Matthew Willis @mattracquet
He mentioned having pain in that area for weeks before Roland Garros so could easily have been dealing with a slightly damaged meniscus for a while before the slip made it worse. He also still moved well (for a torn meniscus) for rest of the match so hopefully it's a minor tear
By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 16:51
He somewhat seems to have drawing power towards people that are above average inclined to really be into showing off a persecution complex regarding themselves and Djokovic, yes.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:51

Jun 4, 2024 -- 4:45PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


Yeah, I really can't get my head around that if that is the official diagnosis which is being speculated. The human body with adrenaline and medication can do incredible things it seems


makes him so hard to trade. Because when he can beat a top 30 player despite having a torn meniscus it pretty comes down to reading his mind and if he thinks it worth staying out there. But historically you would of course be way up for betting on him to stay out there and fight.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 16:52

Jun 4, 2024 -- 4:51PM, edy wrote:


He somewhat seems to have drawing power towards people that are above average inclined to really be into showing off a persecution complex regarding themselves and Djokovic, yes.


reminds me of the fanbase of another person, but this is not politics phorum so will leave it at that.

By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 16:56
Iga at her young age already has the 5th most bagels served at Roland Garros, trailing Evert (26), Graf, Serena and Seles. Iga has 14.
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 17:08
anyone else have this annoying issue with 365 where your balance remains the same when placed your bet, can't arb in peace
By:
stu
When: 04 Jun 24 17:09
free money mes, is you can back and keep the money? Grin
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 17:11
lol, it makes me think I haven't actually placed anything, silly glitch
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 17:35
Novak the super human.
https://x.com/ozmo_sasa/status/1798029218510672135
By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 17:36
Oh, live FOXTENN line calling at the Heilbronn challenger.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 17:37
Sad
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 17:38
When do we get the first injury from player sliding into Foxtenn box at clay?
By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 17:40
Never
By:
edy
When: 04 Jun 24 17:41
Rinderknech might break a toe when deliberately kicking one of the net boxes after he had failed to reach a dropshot though.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 17:42
Sad
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 17:44
how many games will sisspas take off of Alcatrash, feels like a 63 63 64 sort of game, 10 max.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 17:44
7-5, 6-3, 6-1 imo
By:
Des Pond
When: 04 Jun 24 17:57
Personally, I think that it would have been better if Djokovic had retired gracefully yesterday and not denied Cerundolo his moment with his selfish gamesmanship. And that's not only because I would've won money, instead of losing. But because it seemed unfair on Cerundolo, using every trick in his extensive repertoire of sh!thousery to scrape through only to retire anyway.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 18:06
Same was said about Nadal vs Fritz, but of course they players don't know how bad the injury is so you try to win the match today and hope things get better tomorrow. If Novak had retired every time he had a niggle at a tournament, his Slam tally would be at about 15, not 24.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 18:06
If Cerundolo can't beat a player with a torn meniscus, he doesn't deserve to be in a Grand Slam QF.
By:
tobiasr
When: 04 Jun 24 18:18
Completely agree SMB with both posts
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:30
Cerundolo might not have deserved to go through, but Ruud doesn't deserve a bye to the semi's and Zverev should he get there doesn't deserve to have had far less rest than Ruud making it an unfair contest.
By:
Des Pond
When: 04 Jun 24 18:31
I take your point. I just would have preferred if Ruud had to play a match rather than get a walkover. Maybe Zverev and Minaur would feel the same way. I fully understand the argument that Cerundolo wasn't good enough, though.
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:33
it's a case of sods law, what Federer did one year at the French was far far worse, he beat a player knowing full well he was going to pull out the next round - he wasn't injured, he just didn't feel he could win the tournament and wanted to save his legs for Wimbledon, think it was against Koepfer
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 18:37
The only time someone treated RG as a warm-up to Wimbledon.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 18:41
Would have been nicer for us to have 4 QF's of course, but this is how tennis is sometimes. As far as Zverev/ADM having a disadvantage compared to Ruud in the semis, this would be minimal given how the Slam format is. In fact, there have been times where players who had a bye had their rhythm messed with due to having three-four days off, mostly Novak Djokovic at the French Open 2011 where he had QF bye against Fognini and then lost to Federer in the semis. But all in all, tiny tiny advantage Ruud when taking everything into consideration.
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:46
yeah but that was Federer, nothing to do with having rhythm broken. Any player would take a bye all day long
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:46
and twice on Sunday
By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:48
One of the main reasons why Murray lost so many slam finals was in part due to the fact he had such a draining game, by the time he got to the final, he'd more often than not had far more court time than his opponent, like when he collapsed like a sack of spuds against Novak in the Oz final last set
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 18:53

Jun 4, 2024 -- 6:46PM, mesmerised wrote:


yeah but that was Federer, nothing to do with having rhythm broken. Any player would take a bye all day long


none of us know this. It was speculated that was one of the reasons. But Roger did play lights out that day and broke Novak's streak.

By:
mesmerised
When: 04 Jun 24 18:56
You think a player would rather risk the thought of playing a draining 5 set match, esp if it's night session, than just having a bye into the next round, free ranking points, free prize money, fresher for the next opponenet....over 'rhythm'? I don't think so
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Jun 24 19:01
they wouldn't but lack of match play and rhythm is often mentioned as a negative in sports. Ideally you would play, keep the rhythm, win easily and not get injured but since those are not guarantees they would pick the freebee.
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