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By:
Journeyman
When: 01 Jan 24 00:00
M.Stakuš-ić
M.R(i)st-ić
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 24 00:00
2024 picks

Hannah Klugmann
Laura Samsonova
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 24 00:00
I would have been so mad if you had gotten either of Klugmann or Samsonova in before me even though I used an internet atomic clock.
By:
Journeyman
When: 01 Jan 24 00:01
Ristic beat Samsonova 6-0 6-0 in Prerov. otherwise I would ahve gone for laura!
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 24 00:02
Fluke
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 24 00:02
and it's Klugman of course
By:
Journeyman
When: 01 Jan 24 00:03
You should have just posted 'L.Samsonova' and confused everyone who would have thought it was the less talented one
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 24 00:03
Missed chance Cry
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 01 Jan 24 04:06

Jan 1, 2024 -- 12:03AM, Journeyman wrote:


You should have just posted 'L.Samsonova' and confused everyone who would have thought it was the less talented one


Laura S would have been even better.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 01 Jan 24 04:30
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By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 01 Jan 24 04:49
sorry wrong thread.
By:
wisewords
When: 01 Jan 24 23:54
I officially select Clervie Ngounoue.
By:
edy
When: 04 Jan 24 23:55
Laura Samsonova decided she doesn't want to be confused with the other Samsonova, and take advantage of Czech laws from a few years ago that enables women to scratch the ova, so she now goes by Laura Samson

https://www.itftennis.com/en/players/laura-samson/800578274/cze/jt/s/overview/

'Tis my flag from January 1 this year to avoid any confusion.
By:
Journeyman
When: 22 Jan 24 23:28
A relatively flag heavy last 12 in Melbourne.

Both Edy and I could potentially end the week sitting in first place!

Edy's best result (a Kostyuk Queenwen final) is a guaranteed 4 points even before rankings enter the discussion.
I do need Noskova to produce the goods now. She just fell short in Adelaide 2023 and she absolutely mugged me in Prague. All would be forgiven if she can win the tournament which would guarantee me 3.5 points and top of the tree.
By:
Journeyman
When: 24 Jan 24 12:59
Queenwen into the top 10 so edy already in second place and two matches from outright 1st place.

Kostyuk should really have won in straight sets, maybe if she hadn't created bedlam in her press conference and on social media the day before? She's clearly got the physical tools to win a slam but a bit of discipline and management needed to take that next step.
As for Linda N, great tournament and announced herself with the Iga win but really didn't get a look in against Dayana. Hey edy you want to swap her for Renata, Bartunkova and a large tin of Celebrations?
By:
edy
When: 25 Jan 24 20:13
No, I am not trading two very promising players and a large tin of Celebrations for Noskova. I am officially over her. Told you I am not impressed with subpar movers and I have seen Noskova move.
By:
edy
When: 27 Jan 24 08:31
Jamrichova stormed through the Australian Open draw and won the title. Points please. Happy
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 27 Jan 24 08:49
This is very silly.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 27 Jan 24 09:21
Some nice results for the flags at the Aussie Open, but Zheng the only one scoring points.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Feb 24 00:32
Diana Shnaider.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Feb 24 14:21
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.

With this point I will win even if Mirra flops and only wins 2 Slams and makes world no 1 in reasonable time.
By:
Journeyman
When: 04 Feb 24 16:56
Obviously it's within your original rules to do something like this but the contestants over the last four years have clearly been making picks based on skill and judgement. Picking an player already established on the tour on the basis that she is in a bleep bleep bleep WTA final is nothing to do with skill and judgement. It's some kind of fastest-finger-first thing. You nearly did this with Timofeeva last year but held back, possibly sensing there might be a reaction.

Rather than go on about it I'll just run a parallel alternative table, still first to 15, of players picked on the basis of predicting what they could achieve (rather than fastest-fingers-first when they get to a final etc).

Alternative table (Skill and judgement based picks only).
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
edy
When: 04 Feb 24 18:56
Does SaMeBe get two more picks for that alternate table then this year? Sounds complicated.

I think it's perfectly fine. If he ends up beating us, which he won't, we'll just put a mahoosive asterisk next to his victory.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 04 Feb 24 19:55

Feb 4, 2024 -- 6:56PM, edy wrote:


Does SaMeBe get two more picks for that alternate table then this year? Sounds complicated.I think it's perfectly fine. If he ends up beating us, which he won't, we'll just put a mahoosive asterisk next to his victory.


You can asterisk all you want, a win is a win! Happy
Me not going with Timofeeva had nothing to do with reactions, but I felt that Timofeeva had a high ceiling of 1 pt and was not worth to waste a pick on at the time (this might prove wrong, because she did well in Melbourne) whereas I think Diana could potentially gain more than that. Plus 1 pt can be important at this stage of the game. This competition is about getting to 15 pts. Which strategy to use to get there is up to each contestant.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 11 Feb 24 18:01
this was posted elsewhere:
edy • February 11, 2024 2:34 PM GMT
Comp 2 needs to have a mechanism that lets you protect a number of existing flags.

SamuelMertensBertens • February 11, 2024 4:09 PM GMT
I have actually thought about this. There is a possiblity that there will be something like this, but no decision yet. If so it's likely to be very limited, details will be presented at some point, but for now all the information I can give is there MAY be some sort of (likely very limited) flag protection for future comps so this can be taken into account when placing picks for this current one.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 07 May 24 13:50
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.

updated due to Marta Kostyuk making Top 20.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 11 May 24 18:36
Flag pick no 2 for 2024: Iva Jovic.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 22 Jul 24 13:42

Jan 4, 2024 -- 11:55PM, edy wrote:


Laura Samsonova decided she doesn't want to be confused with the other Samsonova, and take advantage of Czech laws from a few years ago that enables women to scratch the ova, so she now goes by Laura Samsonhttps://www.itftennis.com/en/players/laura-samson/800578274/cze/jt/s/overview/'Tis my flag from January 1 this year to avoid any confusion.


This is quite funny. The Czechs add ova to foreign players and now one of their own got rid of its ova.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 22 Jul 24 13:47
*her
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 26 Jul 24 21:43
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 8,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 11 Aug 24 12:39
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
Journeyman
When: 25 Aug 24 13:23
Linda N wins Monterrey so when she moves into the top 20 I'll be on 5.5, one behind edy and two behind Caramba's real total. Grin

Just noting this as we're all about to be somewhat distracted by the US Open.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 26 Aug 24 20:31
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning her first title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20, Linda Noskova 1 pt for winning her first title)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning her first title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 26 Aug 24 20:31
updated, maybe edy will bite this time!
By:
wisewords
When: 26 Aug 24 21:00
I heard if your pick wins the Olympic gold medal in singles you automatically win the competition!
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 27 Aug 24 02:28
who did you hear that from?
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 09 Sep 24 14:20
Priska Nugroho playing WTA main tour, main draw tennis today!
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Oct 24 10:18
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10,5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 6.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 11 Oct 24 11:52
I've listed the current ranking and flag comp points of all players (in parenthesis ranking from a year ago).

Team arrong
Clara Tauson 1pt Current ranking 62 (76)
Daria Lopatetska Current ranking outside top 1000 (717)

Team nofx
Polina Kudermetova Current ranking 126 (741)

Team edy
Whitney Osuigwe Current ranking 376 (376)
Marta Kostyuk 2 pts Current ranking 17 (45)
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur Current ranking 702 (622)
Noma Noha Akugue Current ranking 209 (163)
Alex Eala Current ranking 148 (190)
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 pts Current ranking 7 (23)
Nikola Bartunkova Current ranking 397 (340)
Ksenia Efremova Current ranking 868 (outside top 1000)
Renata Jamrichova Current ranking 468 (646)
Julia Stusek Current ranking outside top 1000 (753)
Hannah Klugman Current ranking 515 (not flagged a year ago)
Laura Samsonova Current ranking 370 (not flagged a year ago)

Team Journeyman
Michaela Laki Current ranking 553 (514)
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 pts Current ranking 28 (60)
Diane Parry Current ranking 50 (99)
Linda Noskova 1 pt Current ranking 25 (44)
Erika Andreeva Current ranking 70 (172)
Robin Montgomery Current ranking 107 (159)
Victoria Mboko Current ranking 319 (394)
Kristina Dmitruk Current ranking 437 (276)
Marina Stakušić Current ranking 149 (not flagged a year ago)
Mia Ristić Current ranking 412 (not flagged a year ago)

Team SamuelMertensBertens
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt Current ranking 181 (117)
Daria Snigur Current ranking 123 (158)
Brenda Fruhvirtova Current ranking 122 (135)
Katrina Scott Current ranking 292 (309)
Olivia Gadecki Current ranking 83 (131)
Emma Raducanu 5.5 pts Current ranking 57 (277)
Mirra Andreeva 2 pts Current ranking 19 (62)
Lucie Havlickova Current ranking 582 (209)
Barbora Palicova Current ranking 222 (281)
Alina Korneeva Current ranking 227 (not flagged a year ago)
Diana Shnaider 2 pts Current ranking 16 (not flagged a year ago)
Iva Jovic Current ranking 216 (not flagged a year ago)

Team n88
Ane Mintegi del Olmo Current ranking 544 (outside top 1000)
Sara Bejlek Current ranking 125 (202)
Petra Marcinko Current ranking 303 (143)

Team wisewords
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva Current ranking 152 (246)
Taylah Preston Current ranking 156 (399)
Sofia Costoulas Current ranking 286 (293)
Priska Madelyn Nugroho Current ranking 562 (275)
Clervie Ngounoue Current ranking 255 (not flagged a year ago)
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 08 Nov 24 17:13
Points for edy, assuming Zheng doesn't get defaulted tomorrow.

STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10.5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 7.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 5.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 5.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
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