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It is that time again.
Looks like the weakest year ever.
Finland is the best so far, IF they go for Linda Lampenius x Pete Parkkonen – Liekinheitin. I can see that winning the Jury side, then just need enough public votes to get it over the line. A bit like Austria this year. Around 8/1.
No huge bets as still early days, but nothing in the NFs looks good. Still a chance the likes of France pull a banger out of the bag, but my god have they let me down with staging over the years.
Looks like the weakest year ever.
Finland is the best so far, IF they go for Linda Lampenius x Pete Parkkonen – Liekinheitin. I can see that winning the Jury side, then just need enough public votes to get it over the line. A bit like Austria this year. Around 8/1.
No huge bets as still early days, but nothing in the NFs looks good. Still a chance the likes of France pull a banger out of the bag, but my god have they let me down with staging over the years.
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France the 'finds little off the bridle' entry - almost every single year in ESC. I know as I've backed them quite a few times!
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Officially adding Malta at 27/1.
Like previous years, the winner likely wins with the juries, especially with Israel dominating the public vote. There needs to be a jury winner to rally behind. Think AIDAN - Bella is quite beautiful and too big at current prices. |
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Ultimately, it will come down to the presentation. Romantic, beautiful vs cheesey cliche
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Finland still the winner currently though
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why the fer( in ell are Israel still in this competition...
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Why wouldn't they be?
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Finland matched at 2.0!
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Really don't need to answer that one tim - even just looking at their televote previous is enough to answer why. Without even starting on politics.
They are a complete bad smell and make a mess of this as a singing competition. |
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Numerous countries have been involved in ESC skullduggery over the years, most notably when Franco bought the juries off to ensure Spain's victory, so no reason to single out Israel for allegedly doing it. There should be no juries, no self-declared 'elites' imposing power over us, let democracy rule, give the people their chosen PV winner
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It's not happened just once with Israel though, and would continue to be repeated. That should not be allowed if they want to remain a song contest.
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PV as a concept is pointless in a singing contest with them in it. I'm sure you know that from just a stats basis.
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The concept of PV deciding the winner worked just fine for yonks in singing contests all around the world, (XF, AI, etc) so I'm really not understanding why democracy is 'pointless' for ESC? Why should a few hundred jurors deny the entire population of Europe?
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Because Israel are a special case, as I just explained in extent of bias organised for their vote. For the same country, year after year.
There has not been any similar case of such repeated bias in other shows you mention, for the same act every year. They had biases, all PVs do, but not just for one single entry repeatedly. |
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Maybe I'm more stoned than usual, but I'm not understanding what you mean by 'bias'; what is biased, and in what way is it so?
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Because people are voting not based on the song performed. They would win the public vote before any songs were sung.
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So the 'problem' with PV is that we, the people, might get the winner we want? That democracy might rule? That the 'elites' wouldn't get to overrule our stupidity and disobediance? That, shock horror, Israel might win???
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Because people are voting not based on the song performed.
As lifter says, that summarises a key problem in this 'song contest' it entirely. If you don't get that you are either being daft or deliberately obtuse. |
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The only point I would accept is that this has partly happened before - Ukraine won it based on a bias that had nothing to do with the song.
Arguably, that was also a poor result for the contest too. |
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So, let me make sure I'm getting this right; the argument against PV is that voters wouldn't vote for the 'best' song, but would allow other factors and preferences to influence how they vote? After I-don't-know-how-many years of betting on Specials, you're saying every RTV PV should give the 'best' singer/dancer/HM the victory? Chortle!!! Are you Lou in disguise??? Over those years, did you call for the banning of every likely PV winner if they weren't what you considered the 'best'? Or did you, (knowing that in PVs, the 'best' is both subjective and irrelevant), count your winnings, grateful to the mugs who had done their dough backing the 'best'?
I'm flabbergasted that any sentient being prefers serfdom, being controlled by a few 'elites', than have any one country win a meaningless popularity contest, (although we all know this means one particular country!). If PV led to that one particular country winning every year, if that's what voters want, well, so what? Otherwise, what is the meaning of democracy? Of popular choice? Of freedom itself??? Maidstone has voted Conservative for over 100 years; should we ban them? Likewise, Labour have won Hemsworth for over 100 years; maybe we should ban them as well? 'Fawlty Towers' regularly wins 'Best TV Comedy Ever' polls; should we ban Basil? Or the polls themselves? No, all in all, the case being put forward for no PV is like The Emperor's New Clothes; risibly see-through, one big hole, entirely devoid of substance. Whisper it gently, but one might almost be left to believe it's lying propaganda, designed to conceal the true reason. If only we knew what that true reason is... |
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Anyway, Denmark has chosen their song, and it sounds a lot better live. I like it, and the ending is pretty epic. Top 10 locked.
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* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzEP9dwoss
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Greece has chosen Akylas - Ferto, this year's crazy song. Second fav, but I'm not having it all - he's just trying to be weird for the sake of it, and it coems across as annoying and fake to me. Seriously, there is zero chance the juries reward this, yet it is 9/1.
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If you're worried about Finland's live singing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdAmWERRZII
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I agree about Greece lifter - laid it in the win market myself too. (my first and only lay so far...)
It is likely to do ok with PV, but juries - 0 f0rckin chance! Hence outright win lay all day long in single figures. |
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Juries are getting 2 extra members, who must be 18-25
That surely would have been enough for karija to win. Just sayin |
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Not only does it shift the vote balance a lot, likely they'll influence other jury members too
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If being 18-25 = 0 taste in music I suppose that could affect the jury votes partly. It's complete trash this one - Karija was a decent entry.
That age change might make a blip in their jury scores, but still bottom half of the final with the jury IMO. |
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It's definitely gonna move the jury vote towards being more like the pv
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Worth considering for the place markets possibly, not for the win market IMO.
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Yeah, something to consider GB - nice one
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Cha Cha Cha was awesome, though. The whole stadium was rocking to that.
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Wow just seen Greece is 13/2
I love specials |
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I didn't comment on Greece like. It's OK, pretty dull
We've selected a farty little Jean Michel Jarre as our act. Howard Jones on downers |
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The local crakhead
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Basically we've gone quirky 10 years after it was fashionable
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Wow just seen Greece is 13/2
Only problem is tying up too much funds as layer! |
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Slight segway, but I think Rybak will surprise this year - I see him and song as cert to qualify in national final and could even go deep.
(I know not all agree on him/song) |
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