got a grand on, another 200 will do..thats my bb profit if jordan wins

Now I'm torn - she's my biggest green - to lay off for easy smaller profit, or go for the bigger green with risk....

The more I think about this market the more tempted I become to back Farage for Top 3 at 5/4

I can’t imagine 3 of the camp mates from the line up will get more votes to win, TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if he won the show outright based from the controversial factor alone, nevermind all the extra screen time he will get doing trials, I’ve seen so many people on Twitter say they aren’t even going to watch the show because of Farage which will make it even easier……someone tell me if I’m overlooking anything

I'd lay 5/4 top 3 as that's still value I think. Sure, he has some support, but so do Sam, Marvin, Danielle, etc... He was a pompous face that will do him zero favours.

Cider • November 14, 2023 6:59 AM GMT
Comparing Hancock and Nigel is just laughable

I have to agree cider. Hancock had some vulnerability about him. Bit of a weird socially awkward Mr Bean type. Which the soppy GBP fell for. He was like a new puppy who had sh@t on your carpet. It was hard for many to stay angry with him for long. Even though in his case, it wasn't his inability to control his bowels that was the issue, but another part of his anatomy.

I don't see much vulnerability when it comes to Farage. He clearly has some charisma and charm, but coupled with a massive ego and a tendency to lose his rag when things don't go his way.
So no redemption arc like Hancock. Just his existing fanboys and girls voting for him. Which tbf I'm sure there are a fair amount of. But I'd be surprised if there are anywhere near enough to get him close to winning

There's a few things in that, Matt was never going to win. In my view, it was his indefatigability on the show that was somewhat endearing to some viewers/voters. Kept getting voted for trials, kept being attacked by the other campers, but in the face of the onslaught, maintained his composure, and got stuck in when it was needed. He turned them around, some of them even voted for him positively.

I don't feel vulnerability is a key ingredient to winning this show anyway, not in the app era. But there is very little correlation with Matt and Nigel, the only link I suppose is that they had the same career at one time or another. There are no other character similarities, in my opinion. I suppose I don't expect Nigel to melt in the face of being voted for trials or attacked by the others either.

Aside from the obvious, that most likely the producers will be insufferably woke and think this is their big opportunity to expose him (where so many before them have failed), I feel his biggest weakness is some of his more controversial hobbies like hunting. But those skills might also be of some assistance in the camp.

He knows exactly what he is doing, and will have gamed it all, so it could well be that he is just there for the fat cheque and has no interest in the vote. The big prices offered up front were rank stupid, they are more reasonable now.

Why do so many hate Farage? (I haven't seen much mainstream media for a while.)

ChatGPT says people disagree with his views on Eurosceptiscism, immigration, political reform, economic liberalism, climate change skepticism. But those are all mainstream views lots have. Right or wrong they're not enough to attract such animosity on their own.

But the problem for opposing him (at least to place) is that there will be a response among the supporters of his views in the voting - maybe an even bigger response if they try to rubbish his views or show him badly!

The political debate is just a rabbit hole, I won't be getting directly involved in that on here. Some of what TheBorg alludes to is accurate, the mainstream narrative is often at odds with the sentiment of the general population. This has been tested many times at the ballot box, in politics, and these reality voting measures. The majority view is often misrepresented, and doesn't have a voice in the mainstream. Not one that isn't smeared in some way or other. Definitely arguable that this voice could be channelled through Farage on this show. As I've alluded to before, at the very least his participation have breathed some new life into these hitherto extremely tired formats.

I have absolutely no idea if it is accurate, I do not use social media at all, certainly not this one. But he has claimed that he has had a lot of traction with younger people on his tik tok account. If it is accurate, I'm assuming most of them would have been too young to have been affected by the brexit purgatory.

It's a pity Farage is joining the Tory party.

Do you have any evidence of that ?

Justin Welby told MPs in the home affairs select committee that he “utterly condemned” comments made by Farage at the weekend that sexual assaults by migrants were the “nuclear bomb” of the EU referendum.

The archbishop said Farage was guilty of “inexcusable pandering to people’s worries and prejudices, that is giving legitimisation to racism”. The Ukip leader was “accentuating [people’s] fear for political gain and that is absolutely unacceptable”, he added.

In response to questions by committee chair Keith Vaz, Welby said he agreed that Farage’s remarks were racist, adding “absolutely, without hesitation, I utterly condemn [them]”.

You'd hope he has someone keeping an eye on it

It's just a ludicrous game. Anyone who has a massive following in the political arena will have unsavoury hangers on. Unless you think that he is accountable for what literally millions of individuals are writing, just because they are linking their comments to him.

Social media in general is an utter a sh1t hole anyway.

To quote you 'But he has claimed that he has had a lot of traction with younger people on his tik tok account'

Didn't know Keith Vaz was on show

This offended me and emboldens people like 'Jack'. As Farage knows and I'm sure you know too

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants

I know you don't have an awful lot of time for Farage. I'm not interested in rehashing the tired arguments again, it just ends up in fall outs. I'm not interested in that either, as we get along pretty well otherwise.

The last quote of me is in direct reference to this show. Possibly only Farage himself knows why he has entered this thing, and what he hopes to achieve out of it. As I state, he will have gamed it. It's not like most people who enter these things, he knows that ITV won't have any time for him and he won't get any free rides from production, quite the opposite. I think it's unlikely, but he could simply be taking the huge amount of money on the table, and bailing at the first opportunity.