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By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 13:28
apologies Ricky
By:
chisel
When: 30 Nov 09 13:30
Glasgow

Amusing!! These same people were also claiming that Nat and Chris regularly topped the telephone polls. Cant have been true can it, as Laila must have scored more than Nat from viewers or she would have been gone!!

This presumption that CH is miles ahead on public vote is a dangerous thing. He has actually out scored Laila / Nat etc in recent weeks and it is this score that sees him through.
By:
Amy Other
When: 30 Nov 09 13:35
Except the week before last they both scored the same, and Laila was in the bottom two - thus Chris outpolled Laila.
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 13:36
I totally agree chisel, at last some sense on here!
By:
Amy Other
When: 30 Nov 09 13:37
...excusing the fact that he's wrong!
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 13:37
Amy

So chris is flip flopping with laila on the public vote, hardly means he is miles ahead with the public vote...
By:
Amy Other
When: 30 Nov 09 13:39
We DON'T know he's flip-flopping with Laila, and we DON'T know he's miles ahead on the public vote.

We DO know he outpolled her two weeks ago.
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 13:40
and we DO know Ali and Ricky are the best dancers by miles, and we DO know they are the judges favourites, and we DO know they top the judges leaderboard almost everyweek, thus we DO know this will give them a great advantage!!
By:
Cider
When: 30 Nov 09 13:41
lw was the first week that Nat got properly cussed by the judges.

It seems to me that they suddenly 'turn' once they want a couple out. Tuffers, Craig, Nat, Jo, Ricky at least have had this.

Who's next?
By:
Cider
When: 30 Nov 09 13:42
Chris outpolled one of the joint favourites last week.
By:
Amy Other
When: 30 Nov 09 13:43
Yep, we know that too. I never said differently myself. Just correcting the errors in the earlier post.
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 13:43
semi final

Ali 3
Ricky 2
Chris 1

Chris 3
Ali 2
Ricky 1

Ali through to the final, Ricky beating Chris in dance off as he's the better dancer and judges fav!
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 30 Nov 09 13:46
Cannot stand the mincey runt Glasgow, just pleased with a 40 back that has shortened to 7.

Ali or Mince for me
By:
Amy Other
When: 30 Nov 09 13:47
..and for the record, am laying him myself, having also got on at 40. He could easily go this week or next week, even if he does top the vote.
By:
Cider
When: 30 Nov 09 13:49
Better to back elimination @7-2 to cover steak if you think he is in danger this week?
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 30 Nov 09 13:52
Depends if you have a t-bone or a fillet on
By:
johnnyrant
When: 30 Nov 09 14:10
Glasgow - why are you, and chisel, getting so holier-than-thou about it? The regulars on here reach their opinions regarding polling figures based on what they see happen, week by week on the show, and doing the maths.
In a 3-couple final, as was originally intended, there was a big opportunity for the pubic fav to win - hence those keen on backing the likes of Nat, Tuffers & Chris.
In a 2-couple final, the semi-final becomes problematic, as everyone's aware. While the chance of Hollins aren't as good as they were, when there were only 7 or so couples left, and he was trading at 33s, or whatever it was, he was value. No one is claiming he will win. Confidence has declined following Jade's withdrawal because of the 2-couple final.
Polling figures change, week on week - everyone knows that, but the evidence of past weeks suggests Hollins is top, and it's hard to see why such a middle England/BBC favourite is going to suddenly lose favour.
By:
TheMadness
When: 30 Nov 09 14:36
I'm just reading through this thread informing "Cola" fans why Chris is unlikely to make the final despite the fact he's probably topping the public vote, and my God these people are unbelievably thick.
By:
bexley
When: 30 Nov 09 14:37
Good summary of my views Johnny in your last post.

Glasgow if you believe the Chris backers are ramping his popularity that's fine. Why not just say so rather than all the cryptic and subsequently facetious comments in your previous few posts.

I got on after Chris scored his 34 points Ballroom in Blackpool thus giving him a good chance to compete in the final. Since then he has added a crowd pleasing and well marked Charleston to his credentials. The bad news was of course Jade's withdrawal and the 2 person final.

Being the only dancer left in not to have been in the dance off despite normally being in the dreaded mid-table positions does seem to show he has more public support than the rest, as does evidence such as the DS poll.
That's not to say it won't change nearer the final.I believe the nearer the final we get the more likely people will vote on dancing ability.

Your points example showing Chris out in a dance off has been on here for weeks - its not news to most of us. A similarly valid (imo) calculation can easily show a Rick//Ali dance off.

A reasonably valid judge/public points calculation for this week shows a chance of a Ricky/Ali dance off, with little chance of Chris being there.
Given their current odds compared to Chris, doesn't that still make Chris the value?

I'm not saying of course that he will win, he most likely won't.

On the whole you get well reasoned discussion on here - I'm sorry you appear to believe otherwise.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 30 Nov 09 14:42
Actually jr we reach our thoughts on polling figures by being tipped off by a reliable national newspaper ;-)
By:
bexley
When: 30 Nov 09 14:46
What do i think will happen this week?

Judges:
Ali 4 (teacher's pet)
Ricky 3
Leila 2
Chris 1

Public:
Ali 1
Ricky 2 (bit of bounce back after last week bottom2)
Leila 3
Chris 4

Giving all with 5, Ricky v Ali dance off

just a slight variation on what's been on here (I think)

I will be amazed if the bottom 2 combos from the bookmakers dont vastly overprice this combo.
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 14:50
Bexley

'evidence such as the DS poll'

forgive me if i dont use a poll of a couple of hundred people as sufficient evidence. especially since the x factor DS poll had jedward ahead on a weekly basis!
All the polls, and discussions on here make no difference to my betting, i use a different approach, i watch, see who i think is best, then back them.
Simples!
By:
TheMadness
When: 30 Nov 09 14:55
That would be nice. Although the ideal is DS maniacs phoning and writing complaints about the silliness of the voting format at this point, and the BBC actually changing the format so the lowest combined total goes out rather than have a bottom 2.

Just imagine the final 3...

Ali 3
Ricky 2
Chris 1

Chris tops public vote with 60% of the vote
Ali comes second with 25%
Ricky comes third with 15%

Chris is then in the bottom 2, because Ali came second with the public, and probably out despite having polled twice as many votes as the next contestant.

For some reason the morons on DS can't even begin to understand how likely the above scenerio is to happen, and actually give enough credit to the majority of the viewers of knowing they have to vote tactically to make sure it doesn't, because apparently people do that when Big Brother is on. Hahaha.
By:
five leaves left
When: 30 Nov 09 15:02
welcome to the SCD discussions, Lou.
By:
Glasgow100
When: 30 Nov 09 23:17
if u were waiting on either ricky or ali for 8k would u lump on chris? having missed the boat at 33s etc, and totally disliking the man, i'm loathe to do so. but as we all know on here, its not about letting ur heart rule ur head. opinions welcome?
By:
Henry VIII
When: 30 Nov 09 23:57
Are you all mad? Mince cant win. The BBC probably dont invent the public vote to suit themselves any more like they used to in programs, because of the fall out a few years ago, but nevertheless this is a dancing program. It is also high quality programming, and there is no way they will let the fat hobbit win. They havent even specified how the final day will be scored yet.

Btw has anybody ever seen his
By:
pieceofpie
When: 30 Nov 09 23:58
ali is clearly bbcs darling and will no doubt win
By:
seanvice
When: 01 Dec 09 00:15
complete joint favs atm (2.38 to back, 2.44 to lay)

Out of intrest would anyone have a strong opinion in an Ali/Ricky final 2 as the market cant seem to split them.

We will learn more about their position in the pv this week and in the semi which will shape the price if they both make it.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 01 Dec 09 00:25
Sean I always thought the public would support Ali over Ricky even before he drove his car at someone. Its worth saying that the BBC obviously want one of these to win as they are the best dancers, unless one of the others has all excellent dances from now on (not impossible).

I cant see how he wins now. Think of their respective psychologies as they go into the final: Ali has successfully fought back from two injuries; Ricky is awaiting probable police charges and will have lost the love and/or respect of his dance tutor / lover from being caught with his ex in the early hours.
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 09:31
Chris's GF is Sarah Alexander who works in TV production, not the cute actress of the same name who was in Coupling.

http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=CLB&str=18932&styp=clbi&nm=Sarah%20Alexander&nbc1=1

pics of Chris with his Sarah on here, as well as the other Sarah Alexander.
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 09:33
I know we've all slated Mince on here, but seems pretty decent from this person's visit to SCD.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1173779
By:
Henry VIII
When: 01 Dec 09 10:09
Squares I wish you wouldnt disrupt my bigoted conspiracy theories with facts.
By:
bexley
When: 01 Dec 09 10:18
Admittedly I wouldnt use the DS poll to dictate my bets Glasgow; what I would suggest as probable is that it is a better predictor of SCD and DOI voting than shows like X factor as it mirrors the potential voting public much more closely.
By:
bexley
When: 01 Dec 09 10:23
I'd have Ali over Ricky most definitely if it came to that - much more a likeable combination imo. Apart from Ricky's adverse publicity he has quite frankly a loathsome partner. Never underestimate the'partnership' factor imo, which is obviously in favour of Ali and Brian.

The 'con' for Brian and Ali is the teachers pet status and overmarking but it's hard to gauge how big a factor that would be in an Ali v Ricky final where 40's will most likely be the norm as last year with Lisa and Rachel.

Slightly concerned with the drift in Chris's price but I guess a lot with fancy prices on here seek to lock in a profit just in case of him going in the next 2 weeks.
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 11:38
Ricky sounding pretty confident already. Reckons they've done their two dances - just need to "clean" them up for the weekend as they are very technical.

Foxtrot to Sinatra
Cha Cha to a funky soulful version of an Eric Clapton track ?

assume not Cocaine!, maybe Behind The Mask ?
By:
johnnyrant
When: 01 Dec 09 12:22
v technical = more chance to mess up in dance off if Whittle finds himself in bottom 2...
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 13:15
Craig Revel Horwood has said that the dances on Saturday's Strictly Come Dancing made it unfair for the celebrities.

Ricky Whittle and Natalie Cassidy both danced rock 'n' roll routines at the weekend and ended up in the dance-off. The other three celebrities - Laila Rouass, Ali Bastian and Chris Hollins - performed Charlestons.

Speaking on It Takes Two, the judge said: "I sort of thought that it might have been a little bit fairer if everyone had done the Charleston and we'd done it that way - or if everyone had done the rock 'n' roll. One or the other because it's quite hard to compare them."

Speaking about Whittle and Cassidy's problems with the dance, judge Bruno Tonioli added: "I think both of them for different reasons were under-performing. Ricky looked under-rehearsed and in the dance-off he looked about ten times better. But the main show looked under-rehearsed. And Natalie just lacked a certain amount of tricks that are necessary to sell the dance."
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 13:16
best to get rid of Ricky this weekend then, so remaining three are all doing Rock N Roll the following week ;)
By:
johnnyrant
When: 01 Dec 09 13:24
but is that confirmed, squares - that in the semi-final they'll be performing the dance out of the rock n' roll or charleston they didn't dance last Sat?
By:
squares
When: 01 Dec 09 13:25
i've seen it somewhere, yesterday morning iirc, can't remember where tho :(

makes sense tho?
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