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By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 May 26 10:02
So its ok for someone who undrpaid their tax by 40K to run for PM yet fail to declare a gift when you werent even an MP and people want you suspended from Parliament and a by election.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:22
How much was this gift?
By:
dpm
When: 14 May 26 10:29
£5 Million, which was to pay for his personal security costs, which this government has defunded by 75%.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 May 26 10:38
I dont think they are investigating him because of the size of the gift so thats irrelevant. Its because he didnt declare it.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:41

May 14, 2026 -- 10:29AM, dpm wrote:


£5 Million, which was to pay for his personal security costs, which this government has defunded by 75%.


Do you actually believe that?

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:43

May 14, 2026 -- 10:38AM, Dotchinite wrote:


I dont think they are investigating him because of the size of the gift so thats irrelevant. Its because he didnt declare it.


Well I think if the "gift" was a £50 John Lewis voucher and a Creme Egg, it probably wouldn't be getting checked. At the same time, if he hadn't tried to hide it from the authorities too, he probably wouldn't be getting investigated either.

By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:45
There are 'investigating' it as it is Farage, and liberalists can report investigations as if guilt is already established.

It's not like they were going to take getting their arses handed to them lying down.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:48
yeah, anyone else would have just tried to hide a five million pound donation from a crypto-bro in child-bride central and it would have been fine



It's all so vewy vewy unfair
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:49
It's almost as if you don't understand the rules. Just like the red queen, funnily enough.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:51
It's not that  difficult to grasp. Non political gifts don't need to be declared if an individual isn't a MP. THE END.
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 10:51
Do you actually think anyone in government really standing up to Islam wouldn't need security 24/7?
Farage has gone a bit soft on Islam recently, perhaps personal fear would explain that, I'm sure he's not after their votes
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 10:52
*porcy.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:53
Maybe you have proof that it was actually a political donation, and used for his campaign. And are just holding the evidence back for perfect timing. Or maybe you're that conspiracy theorist that you accuse others of being.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:53

May 14, 2026 -- 10:49AM, Cider wrote:


It's almost as if you don't understand the rules. Just like the red queen, funnily enough.


Like this one?

The Commons code of conduct states that new MPs "must register all their current financial interests, and any registrable benefits (other than earnings) received in the 12 months before their election within one month of their election".

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:54

May 14, 2026 -- 10:51AM, saddo wrote:


Do you actually think anyone in government really standing up to Islam wouldn't need security 24/7? Farage has gone a bit soft on Islam recently, perhaps personal fear would explain that, I'm sure he's not after their votes


Oh my god.


Have you just fallen in line now like a good little soldier? The free-thinking free-thinkers are covering themselves in glory over this one.

By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 10:56
You don't think there is any danger of him being attacked then, porcy. Ok.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:57
A gift is not a financial interest or registrable benefit.

God forbid, the investigation is fair, presumably they are verifying that it isn't a registrable benefit.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:58

May 14, 2026 -- 10:56AM, saddo wrote:


You don't think there is any danger of him being attacked then, porcy. Ok.


There probably is. But I don't see any connection between that and a £5m donation, apart from the hastily cobbled-together excuse given to a friendly newspaper when he got caught out.

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 10:58
A gift is not a financial interest or registrable benefit.





LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 10:59
It will all come out in the wash, no need for hissy fits, and ott smilies.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 10:59
Exhibiting your ignorance. Do you know what those terms mean?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 11:02

May 14, 2026 -- 10:59AM, saddo wrote:


It will all come out in the wash, no need for hissy fits, and ott smilies.


Indeed.


Which is why I'm not the one having the hissy fit about it being investigated.




Cider - if semantics is your best argument while losing your mind over a mp from a different party getting some clothes, then I can only wish you luck.

By:
Dotchinite
When: 14 May 26 11:02
Im not defending Farage at all. If he has breached the rules then he should face punishment. Its just that for most people fiddling your taxes is a bigger crime than failing to fill in some sort of registration form. Rayner shouldnt even be an MP let alone be a contender for the top job.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 11:04
It's not semantics. You claimed to understand the rules, then quoted one of them. It helps if you understand the specific terms used in the rules :)
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 11:06
I'm not sure most people would agree with that dotch.


Trying your best to pay as little tax as poss, maybe not declaring a cash in hand gig here or there is something most people could probably agree with.


A politician vying to lead the country receiving £5m from a bloke based in Thailand, working in an industry that is essentially based on criminality and then trying to hide that from everyone would probably seen as threatening our democracy by those same people.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 11:06

May 14, 2026 -- 11:04AM, Cider wrote:


It's not semantics. You claimed to understand the rules, then quoted one of them. It helps if you understand the specific terms used in the rules :)


Well, if you're so confident that once again, you know the rules which exonerate one of your faves, then it'll all come out in the wash, and your hero can once again play the besieged hero.

By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 11:07
Calm down calm down la. Try using less column inches imo.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 11:28
If I feel sorry for you and gave you a couple of grand for more biftas, you don't need to declare it to anyone.

If I give you a couple of grand for mowing my lawn for the next year, it's tacit employment and needs to be declared by you to hmrc.

I know as much as you what happened to the gift and what it was used for. Which is exactly nothing. I'm telling you what Farage is claiming is within the rules. If he did actually spend it on his campaign and not personal security after all then yes, he will have breached them. Farage is a lot of things, but not stupid. I don't think he is making it up, when he knows that they will pick at absolutely everything he does.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 11:36
You've basically just said why there needs to be an investigation. Farage hid it, then came up with an excuse when it came to light. If it was just an innocent gift, or indeed actually "for his security" and perfectly within the rules, then he could easily have just announced it when he got it and moved on. But he didn't. The obfuscation on its own suggests wrongdoing and is reason for investigating.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 26 12:06
So its ok for someone who undrpaid their tax by 40K to run for PM yet fail to declare a gift when you werent even an MP and people want you suspended from Parliament and a by election.


He's underpaid stamp duty too. As well as a £5 mill bung and a £1mill bung
And lives with an immigrant woman who bought their home with undeclared funds
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 12:21
I have no issue with an investigation. It's vexatious in my opinion.

The old liberalists keep stating ad nauseum that he has 'questions to answer'. He has answered the questions, the liberalists just don't like the answers.

Your logic falls down at the first hurdle, as it usually does. If there's nothing in the rules that state it needed declaring, how is not declaring it hiding it? By implication you are already implying guilt before you know anything. This story has been going on for weeks now, talk about flogging a dead horse. Someone received a gift before they got involved in front line politics, the authorities want to verify nothing was done wrong. The end.
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 12:25
They're so bitter. It's understandable, but still funny. Laugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 26 12:27
He hasn't answered any questions

At least Rayner has settled her stamp duty underpayment
Farage has not
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 12:28
Laugh
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 26 12:28
You can laugh now, but it won't go away.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 14 May 26 12:30
Anyone spotted any adults in the room?
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 26 12:30
Just the panic room.
By:
saddo
When: 14 May 26 12:32
'The grown ups are in charge'
I remember that one, what a judge Laugh
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 14 May 26 12:35
The Ukranian 'models' must be in tears thinking they were waiting on remand for their big day then all this happened.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 14 May 26 12:37
God, imagine if we just trusted politicians and simply moved on when they gave an answer.



Christ, it'd still be the stone age.
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