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By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 14:27
Imagine these Muslims were to vote for a gay Jewish bloke

Cider really taking this badly, no work, spamming forum for trade,
totally radicalised by YouTube...
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 14:42

Feb 27, 2026 -- 12:54PM, Cider wrote:


Feb 27, 2026 -- 12:08PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Feb 27, 2026 -- 10:30AM, Cider wrote:What's your take, PP?I think Labour did a fair bit better than what I'd have said a couple of weeks ago. Reform picked an awful candidate.Greens mostly won as a protest/keep Reform out vote, but were helped by having a very likeable local candidate who understood local issues.I'd have expected Advance (was it?) to have done a bit better than they did.Tories - oh dear.The other day you were expecting Labour to do very well. I'm surprised you don't think it turned on the sectarian vote. You're entitled to your own interpretation (obviously!) but on the data, many Labour votes swung to Reform from the last general election. I don't think the personalities are pivotal, it's about the parties 95% of the time. Certainly this by election. And this is pretty much the ceiling for Reform in a seat historically very left wing with a huge Pakistani population. For now that's the exception rather than the norm in the UK.


That's why I said a couple of weeks ago re Labour. Starmer turning up indicated they had some hope.


And I'm on record from weeks before the vote on why I thought the Greens should be odds on for it. Genuinely one of the easiest betting heats I've been involved in.

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 14:47
2 posts from me exactly a month ago at the top of this page that pretty much nailed this entire by-election. Doddle this game.
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 14:55
Oh yes greens had been short on bf all long, bar the market getting briefly excited about a poll. It was the result the market and people expected. Especially given the Mandy charade and workers pulling out.

But you had cooled very recently and were claiming that Starmer visiting the constituency was significant. It wasn't.
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 14:56
same as that yak hunt character, hopefully he is ok lol
By:
alun2005
When: 27 Feb 26 15:05
Was it policies like the desire to legally heroin/crack cocaine, and/or to have a No Borders World that proved so popular with the locals of Gorton and Denton?  Will these policies be vote winners, for example, in the Cotswolds constituencies?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 15:11
When I posted a month ago Greens were 11-8 or 6-4 I think with Reform favs.


As for Starmer being significant, (and I really have explained this a couple of times now) it was significant in what it showed Labour believed. It wasn't a big get out the vote moment, but I never claimed it was. I said it showed that Labour thought they had a chance. They even sent their deputy leader up there last night for the vote. They wouldn't have done either of those things if they thought they were dead ducks.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Feb 26 15:14

They wouldn't have done either of those things if they thought they were dead ducks.


Deluded till the end.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 15:31
Their ground polling must have been miles out if they thought
they were winning.

They clearly thought they had a chance for starmer to rock up
at the weekend.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 15:35
Yeah, they got duff info. But they definitely got given something positive, as otherwise they'd have all done a Nige and been off to the Maldives for a few days instead.
By:
yak hunt
When: 27 Feb 26 15:37
It occurred to me that the bloc Muslim vote may vote Labour, hence Starmer visit.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 15:42
He was wrong guy if that was what the aim was.

SNC likely correct too, in that they are deluded, at least
temporarily so,...
By:
DixieDean60
When: 27 Feb 26 15:44
An excerpt below of an article published earlier in the week which highlights the Green party tactics in the run up to the by-election, interesting (and worrying) stuff 


A good pub quiz question in the year 2050 will go something like this: ‘True or false, the “green” in the “Green Party” originally referred to the environment.’ By this point, the etymological origins of Britain’s sectional Islamic party will be as obscure as the relationship between British Conservatives and 17th century Irish bandits.

A key milestone, our mid-century quiz regular will inform his teammates, was the 2026 Gorton and Denton by-election in which the Greens stood neck and neck in a three-way race with Labour and Reform.

Eagle-eyed observers these past weeks will have noted how the once environment-focused party have been pitching at particular sections of ‘the community’, with campaign Written in Urdu, the pamphlet calls for voters to: ‘Push the falling walls one more time. Labour must be punished for Gaza. Reform must be defeated and Green must be voted for. Vote for the Green Party for a strong Muslims voice.’ Then it adds, in English, ‘Stop Islamophobia. Stop Reform.’

There was also an Urdu-language video linking Reform Party candidate Matt Goodwin and leader Nigel Farage with Donald Trump and ICE deportation raids. The video then cuts to Gaza, before showing Keir Starmer beside India’s Narendra Modi. Subtle stuff.leaflets featuring candidate Hannah Spencer wearing a red and black keffiyeh while posing in front of a mosque.

The video states in Urdu: ‘A cruel politician can win if we don’t vote Green to stop the Reforms… Workers, cleaners, drivers, mothers – it’s us who keep this area running. But the politicians are not working for us… The Reforms want to break up our communities. They want to deport families who have lived here for years, and they want to tax people born abroad even more. They give air to Islamophobia, and they put our safety and dignity at risk.’

Over the weekend the party told activists that ‘We hit all 14 mosques this Friday… Our Ramadan cards went down a treat, even with the battle of the leaflets against Labour! We are now in our critical final 5 days, and we need volunteers to help with Taraweeh conversations and leafleting. Do you attend evening Taraweeh at any of these mosques? If so, can you help with leaflets and conversations after prayers?’ Spencer even shared on Instagram that she was fasting to observe the beginning of Ramadan, although she only fasted for a day – in February. In northern Europe.

Party leader Zack Polanski seems to think it’s all very funny, as does his deputy Mothin Ali. Look how the right-wing trolls are triggered! Ali justified the video on the ground that ‘We’ve tried to appeal to people from all kinds of backgrounds, Some of the slogans are based off Bangladeshi or Pakistani typical political slogans. The same slogans have been used to find a message that people can resonate with. That’s just about inclusivity.’ Sure – nothing says inclusivity like campaigning in a foreign language which 97 percent of the population cannot understand.

But then, in the worldview of some, ‘inclusivity’ is anything which furthers the interests of favoured minorities, just as ‘equality’ is anything that raises their status relative to less favoured groups. Everything is about power imbalances, the thinking behind asymmetrical multiculturalism, in which the sectional interests of minority groups are to be promoted and patronised (in both senses), without consideration about what this entails. It has even led white secular progressives to encourage overtly sectarian Islamic politics, playing with fire and laughing at how edgy and provocative they are.

Britain’s Green Party has historically been a thing of amusement to many, a bunch of harmless hippies and Quakers with wacky beliefs; at the time of their first breakthrough in the early 1990s their most high-profile figure was David Icke, then seen as an amusing crank with interests in new age mysticism and alternative medicine.

As traditional politics fractured, the Greens came to fill the space inhabited by high-education, low-income graduates, the group who most favour redistributive economics and highly progressive social policies. Yet political parties have no souls, as such, being merely vote-seeking businesses, and they go where the market is - and now they find the lowest hanging fruit in appealing to sectarian interests.

If decades of generous immigration policies have created constituencies where people vote along religious lines, and are more comfortable with the national language of Pakistan than English, there is nothing to stop someone appealing to that market. It’s within the rules of democracy, if not the spirit.

Gorton and Denton is among the increasing number of constituencies in which a candidate can win by appealing overtly to the Islamic vote; ‘Gaza independents’ won 5 seats in 2024 and could win 10 or 12 by 2029 and 20 or 30 by the election that follows; after that, the ceiling is limited by high levels of segregation. This could be good news for the Green Party, if that’s the path they want to go down, and they certainly don’t seem to shy away from the prospect.

Polanski has welcomed the endorsement of the Muslim Vote, an organisation which instructs people how to cast their ballot along religious lines, even if adding the caveat that people should vote as individuals. In February he told Politics Home that ‘I think any organisation that wants to back the Green Party because they align with our values is something that I applaud and welcome.’

It would be interesting to know to what extent he thinks they do align with their values. This is a party which supports giving children puberty blockers as part of ‘gender-affirming care’. A party which wants to legalise all drugs and prostitution. Having the most radical views on the gender issue of any party, even its co-chairs, historically a man and woman, have been described as ‘Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: (female)’ and ‘Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: (male)’. Back in January the former co-chair of Green Party Women ‘was found to have breached diversity rules by making “clearly antagonistic” comments about “fae/faer” pronouns, a type of “neopronoun” inspired by the mythical world.’

This is eccentric by the standards of the median British voter, and British Muslims have far more socially conservative views than the median voter, and by a huge distance. This is especially true regarding homosexuality and the role of women, and the most ruddy-faced bar room reactionary at the 19th hole is a blue-haired college radical in comparison. (Incidentally, I’m also not sure how the Green Party squares their environmental transport policy with the fact that British-Pakistanis tend to favour cars, as social conservatives with families.)...
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 15:44
The key for Labour is just learning the lesson. Under McSweeney it was obvious they wouldn't. I'm not so convinced they'll learn it now either to be fair. But the idea that annoyed voters will turn up when push comes to shove is for the birds. And if their leadership can't see that, then they deserve what they get.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 15:46
Britain’s sectional Islamic party


Can we stop at the first obvious racist lie, or are we forced to plough on?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 15:48
Lib dem are masters of by election campaigning
and have been for 40 years or so.

Others are later to the party, but the play book
is vast, and anything goes. Rigidity really hinders
those that want to be rigid.

Anybody surprised a gay Jewish bloke can attract votes
from unlikely sources hasn't read the book.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Feb 26 15:57
The current argument of the British right is that Muslims turned out in "blocs" with "family voting" to cast their ballots for a party led by a gay Jewish man, and this shows that multiculturalism has failed, voting is "sectarian" and we are in a crisis.
By:
alun2005
When: 27 Feb 26 16:23
Was it the Party Political video in Urdu that persuaded lifelong Gorton residents Fred and Doris Higginbottom to vote Green ?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 16:25
https://x.com/i/status/2027407844396417420

..
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Feb 26 16:44
Excuses are for losers.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 27 Feb 26 16:48
In the real world this would never have happened , in a pre Starmer world , straight Fight Labour v Reform which Labour would have won .If anyone after the Election told you they would throw away a 13000  majority

within 2 years , you think they needed locking up ...

The man has become tiresome to look at and worse to listen to , He needs to go ASAP  perhaps Labour  can salvage something over the next 3 years ...  The question has to be asked do they now have a safe seat

anywhere ?
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 16:52

Feb 27, 2026 -- 4:44PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:


Excuses are for losers.


Illegal voting is illegal voting.

Either you think the independent observers are lying, or you don't care when it's for a party that you don't mind benefiting from. That mindset is ubiquitous now, anything is on the table as long as it's not impinging on what you want. Cancel elections, yeah well whatever.

By:
dustybin
When: 27 Feb 26 16:56
While the Greens play at politics the real hard work is being done by the FSU who have just humiliated the CPS again.
By:
alun2005
When: 27 Feb 26 17:10
Maybe it was the Greens fragrant Deputy Leader that inspired Fred and Doris Higginbottom to vote Green?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/03/green-party-leader-zack-polanski-under-pressure-sack-deputy/

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By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Feb 26 17:14

Illegal voting is illegal voting


Cider, are you saying this illegal voting took place thousands of times yesterday?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 17:33
Those letters from concerned neighbours were illegal, and cheating.

No doubt refuk spending will be chanelled via other
means to avoid sanctions, like farrages jolly to
the Maldives to garner publicity.

Election laws routinely flouted by farrage
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 17:39
1. 2024 Election Spending Allegations
In late 2025, Farage was accused of overspending in his Clacton constituency during the 2024 General Election.

    The Allegation: A former Reform UK campaigner, Richard Everett, alleged the party failed to declare spending on leaflets, banners, and the refurbishment of a campaign office bar, potentially exceeding the £20,660 limit.



Farage was found to have breached parliamentary rules following his election as an MP.

    Findings: In January 2026, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards ruled that Farage breached the Code of Conduct for Members 17 times.
    Details: He failed to register more than £384,000 in financial interests within the required 28-day deadline, including payments from GB News and brand ambassador fees.
    Outcome: The Commissioner concluded the breaches were "inadvertent" due to administrative errors. Farage apologized, and the matter was resolved through a "rectification process" without further



    2014 Office Space: Farage was previously fined £200 by the Electoral Commission for failing to declare the value of free office space used for his EU parliamentary work.
    2018 Brexit Campaign: UKIP, under previous leadership, and other Brexit-related campaigns were fined for various spending return failures, though these were party-level infractions.



Then there's the underpaid stamp duty on the house
in Clacton he lied about buying...
By:
pandora1963
When: 27 Feb 26 17:43
The trump playbook is taking off among the cranky right in England. Accuse any opposition of rigging elections
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 17:47
Cider, are you saying this illegal voting took place thousands of times yesterday?


_

The observer team saw family voting in 15 of the 22 polling stations observed, some 32 cases in total, nine cases in one polling station alone. The team observed a sample of 545 voters casting their votes - meaning 12% of those voters observed either caused or were affected by family voting.


According to those independent observers. Yes.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 27 Feb 26 17:49
Pretty,well spoken,white,tradesperson wins by election, well done her.
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 17:57
The plumby plumbing landlord Happy I suppose you believe in fairies as well.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Feb 26 17:58
32 cases Crazy
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 17:59
Yes, out of watching 545 voters casting votes in total.

How's your mathematics?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Feb 26 18:08
Easy to see who done their cash
By:
comingupthehill
When: 27 Feb 26 18:09
It’s outrageous that family members are helping others to the polling stations and helping them fill out ballot papers.

Thank god the tories brought a law in to stop this.

Hopefully at the next election,all the old ladies in the shires who are unsteady on their feet and have bad eyesight,can be stopped from letting their relatives take them to the polling booths.

It must be stopped.
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 18:12
It's even more outrageous that a so called progressive party is chasing islamist votes. Be they illegally cast or not.

But liberalist hypocrisy is unlimited.
By:
Cider
When: 27 Feb 26 18:16
Stands to reason that their leader David Paulden is a gay Jew. You couldn't make it up, territory.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 27 Feb 26 18:18
Greens are promoted as they split the labour vote,they’ll never win,but are useful tools.
By:
alun2005
When: 27 Feb 26 18:21
Barely a fortnight after Sir Jim R made his well-observed remarks about the colonisation of Britain, we've seen our electoral process undeniably colonised before our very eyes.
By:
alun2005
When: 27 Feb 26 19:09
One very rare good piece of news emerged from the Courts today, on an otherwise catastrophic day for Britain.

We must hope that this particular outcome proves to be more significant and long-lasting than events in Gorton and Denton.

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https://order-order.com/2026/02/27/judges-slap-down-cps-attempt-to-prosecute-acquitted-quran-burner/
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