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By:
Kelly
When: 07 Feb 23 01:37
The DUP realised the game was up some time ago . The privileged position accorded to the unionist population in 1922 had largely been eroded by the Good Friday Agreement which was an attempt to level the playing field here so that all citizens had equal rights and aspirations .  Hence their objection to the GFA .

Their current stance involves using the protocol procedure ( agreed between their political masters in Whitehall and the EU ) as a lever to dismantle elements of the GFA . That the British Government tolerates their claims that checks on goods represents a "loss of Britishness" shows a distinct lack of courage at Westminster . Complicated no doubt by the  failure of that Government to understand the implications of a hard Brexit on Northern Ireland in the first place .

The fact that Northern Ireland enjoys certain aspects of being in the UK and the EU annoys the DUP big time , no surprise given their fundamentalist nature , but it is an inevitable result of accommodating the anomaly that is Northern Ireland .

The DUP campaigned vigorously for Brexit , but overall the Northern Ireland public voted substantially to stay in the EU because they knew they would be better off remaining in the EU , particularly the farming community which is proportionally a much higher percentage than the UK average . Many of the unionist farming community voiced concerns about leaving the EU in the run up to the Brexit vote  , but their views were largely dismissed by the flag wavers as unfounded . As the non unionist population of Northern Ireland was almost 100% in favour of staying in the EU alongside their southern neighbours , a good percentage of the unionist population did not follow the DUP line on leave  , otherwise there would have been the near 50-50 vote as in the UK overall .

So a lot of unionists voted remain , partly on economic grounds , and that reality will continue to be present , particularly in the farming community .

The DUP have always been flag wavers , but flags don't paper over all the inherent cracks that Brexit has created here .
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 08:43
The GFA was not an attempt to level the playing field so that all
citizens had equal rights and aspirations … all citizens had equal rights and aspirations

The GFA was an attempt - by Unionists and only Unionists , to bring about peace and to stop
the IRA campaign , aimed at bombing and murdering their way to an all Ireland - That is the madness
and resulting atrocities that nationalists and republicans carried out over close to forty years
And the real sadness is that was both evil and futile.

The Protocol - remove the difficulties in trade between GB & NI - remove these U.K. internal barriers to trade
And this is business and also supplies of vital medicines  - this requires urgent action
The threat to medicine supplies  caused by the protocol is real and faces a cliff edge towards the years end
These are things that should concern everyone in NI , but the nationalist and Republican community are too
concerned with flag waving to address these important and vital issues
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 10:37
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 11:30
The dup have always opposed the GFA,other unionists as like nationalists wanted peace indeed.

Ask the nationalists,the gay community,about equal rights,it is enshrined in their no no never psyche.

The IRA is finished,you have some small splinter groups The loyalist terror groups are very much there as their political wing are in constant liaison with them as the recent news re loyalist drug barons taking advantage of their own youth and paying them to 'riot'
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:06
Compared to their neighbouring south Ireland
All major LGBT rights milestones have been earlier in N Ireland
with the exception of same sex marriage
Homosexuality was de criminalised a decade earlier, and
same sex partnerships introduced six years earlier

Now of course many nationalists wanted peace
But the question is what were they prepared to
compromise for peace … and the answer to that was nothing
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:11
And that mentality persists today , as we can see with the protocol
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:15
@ all major lgbt rights have been earlier in N Ireland,

Really? You are full of absolute rubbish, when did the 1st same sex marriage take place in NI? and when did the same occur in the Republic?
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:15
It was Unionists who made concessions that brought
about the GFA and peace in N Ireland
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:17
Lapsy i suggest you read my post carefully
Before you start telling more untruths ..
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:17
You really don't care what you post,misinformation after misinformation,have you any shame?
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:19
Read my post on LGBT rights in N I  and the South
And when you have it apologise for posting disinformation , tia …
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:19
Does the dup want peace as in the GFA? NO.

You are trying to ignore that by labelling them in the broad category of unionists, do the dup want the GFA?
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:20
Take your time .. and unless you have no shame ..
I expect an apology , let’s see …
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:22
I didn't see it but you did mention marriage which took place in NI 5 years later.That is really the most important milestone.
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 12:23
he's got no sense whatsoever, he is an old man , paranoid to the extreme !

he is in gods waiting room (Eastbourne) waiting for it to happen

so are we ....ExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:23
There is your answer,now do the dup want the GFA, ie peace?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:25
You are disingeniously trying to lump them under unionists, i am asking you about the dup and their 'contribution' to peace in NI
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:26
ok I’ll take that as an admission that you were wrong
and very abusive with it .. not a good combination is it ?
although  I don’t see an apology
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:28
You’re obsessed with the DUP lapsy
I don’t give two hoots about the DUP
I’m merely setting out the facts for you
I know that’s something you don’t wish to hear
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:30
Because you are lumping them under unionists and pretending they are in favour of peace and the GFA,that's why you don't want to know and misinforming on the thread.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:32
The DUP is too working class a party for my taste
That’s not how I vote eg so now get that out of your head
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 12:34
mind his heart lapsy .....
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 12:35
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 12:36
quick nurse  get the defib .....
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 12:38
They are the biggest unionist party so you can only associate their beliefs with the majority, ie anti GFA therefore anti peace,not quite what you are alluding to.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:43
Lapsy .. the DUP agreed to share power with SinnFein /IRA
As did other Unionists
Unionists agreed to power sharing and joint Ist ministers with nationalists and republicans
Including Sinn Fein / IRA ..
Unionists also agreed to take part in regular meetings with the government in the south
and many other such concessions .. These were all major concessions .. made by UNIONISTS
nationalists made .. zero concessions

Now if there is at some point a referendum on a United Ireland
Will the gov in the south and nationalists north and south agree
to alter their constitution and commit to joint power with a joint ist minister
One elected from the Unionist people , and one from the nationalist ?

Let me know …
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 12:49
Oh , and let me know if nothing can be agreed in this new all Ireland government
Unless it is agreed upon by both unionist and nationalist parties , and the joint 1st ministers
thankyou …
By:
akabula
When: 07 Feb 23 15:04
You're wasting your time lfc trying to reason with these bigots.
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 15:10
More ramblings from the old fellah LFC1971....

lIfc1971 14 Feb
Did you know that Cicero the ancient Greek philosopher was giving a speech in front of a crowd of hundreds and as he talked the crowd...the sort of
general riff-raff you come across most week-ends in Britain.. the crowd was clapping and cheering. This concerned Cicero and he turned to his colleague and said. Whats wrong have i said something stupid....?


By lfc1971 on 27 Jan 23 23:01
History doesn’t bother me , sorry


That's probrably dementure or alzeimers right there !
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 16:00
You want to know lfc?

They agreed to power sharing because they thought they would always have a majority,they aren't too into the power sharing now with a Sinn Fein majority and fecked off over what you claim is 'custom checks' Wasn't Jeffrey all for them in March 2020 and on record as saying so?

You at least aren't denying the dup are anti GFA,we can all agree on that surely?
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 16:37
I see the forum's greatest liar AKABULIAR joins in with his valueless comment

WADC
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 16:42
Maybe he can help.

Someone said to me Aidan MacAnespie killer defending costs were by largely 'poppy money proceeds',is that true?
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 16:44
Do you want to know lapsy
the unionists were the majority they didn’t have to agree to power sharing
They did so to try and bring peace and to stop Sinn Féin’/ IRA bombing and murdering
They also agreed to joint 1st Ministers in government and sitting along with
the very individuals who planned and committed those atrocities . Understand now ? And understand
that nationalists and republicans did not make any concessions for peace , and then
proceeded to elect into government the very people who had committed those atrocities
The GFA was achieved because of the compromises made by the Unionist people of N Ireland’s  community
and that is someone I expect you to be thankful for and respect

Now let me know if a referendum is held on an all Ireland .. when the constitution will be changed
to ensure a joint unionist / nationalist gov - with joint first ministers
Until then less of your nonsense , cheers
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 16:49
Oi oi ...LFC has had his bed bath today
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 16:50
A lot of words for a yes or know question, are the dup against the GFA? a simple yes or no.

Why are the dup leaving Westminster and liasioning with the uvf/uda who committed all those atrocities through the LCC?

The unionists were always the majority and thought they had it forever,so you are waffling there as well.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 17:00
The DUP are in favour of the GFA and signed up to it at ST Andrews
As I have just said .. how often do you have to have it explained to you ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 17:02
Now what was it that nationalists and republicans did to bring about the GFA , and peace ?

Explain that , go ahead ..
By:
lapsy pa
When: 07 Feb 23 17:07
That is a separate agreement from the GFA and is known as the ST Andrews Agreement,you can check it out.
By:
irishone
When: 07 Feb 23 17:13
Can't educate pork mate
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Feb 23 17:16
Yes ,I know that  it’s not a separate agreement ,it’s a follow on and  it’s the agreement I have described to you
You know , the one that has been brought about peace by Unionists
including the DUP the terms of which I have just explained

Now again , what were the concessions and compromises made by nationalists and republicans
to bring about the GFA and peace ..

Go ahead , take your time ….
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