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U.K. - EU - N Ireland Protocol deal imminent ..
U.K. - EU - N Ireland Protocol deal imminent ..
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ok, seeing as aka has run off, I'll ask lfc.
What changes? Supplementary question. If they successfully made those changes, why did they still vote against it? |
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Aka you can explain things as straightforwardly
and simply as possible to someone like pp But he has a certain mindset and nothing even the mos obvious evidence will make him change that mindset You will be wasting your time if you even try |
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Ok we have moved on , hopefully pp can see that improvements have been made - thanks to the DUP
They are perhaps still not entirely happy , although they acknowledge that .. however there remain some problems That is why they remain unsure of backing this framework .. it’s not a difficult concept to understand After all it is the unionists , once again , who are being asked to make concessions |
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Why do they always run off into the distance when you just ask them a straight question?
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^ more dishonesty from pineapple
They’re like that |
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Sorry ok,
I asked 2 questions. You ran away from them both. |
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Your questions have been answered pp
At least recognise that and stop throwing up dust |
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Although I did say it was a waste of time trying to explain
anything to yourself ..and I wasn’t wrong either |
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ok, can you point me to where they've been answered at least
(are you talking about them improving the latest handbrake thingy btw, or are you talking about a couple of years ago?) |
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I think what PP is trying to ascertain is having contributed to the positive changes in the protocol as Lfc states, and having voted against the Framwork and the UK government, where does that leave the DUP in terms of effective power and relevance within the United Kingdom.
Seems a perfectly reasonable ask Lfc, I'm sure you can be polite and advise accordingly. |
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Of course pecker and pp I know that is part of
what pp was asking .. I wanted to make sure he understood the good and necessary changes to the protocol .. achieved by the DUP I shouldn’t have had to explain that but of course the republicans and nationalists have not acknowledged that fact . Ok that’s progress .. but will not be recognised in the msm In terms of effective power within the U.K. ? Thats the same as with every party But you see the Unionists don’t have to worry about that , or Stormont It is their decision whether they are happy to return to Stormont .. and if they are not it will remain closed . That’s quite enough power , thankyou |
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Here was me thinking the dup were worried about their place in the UK,they mustn't have been at all but going for the great deal all the time.
All good so, according to you,they held out and gotta load of 'concessions'. |
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That's a fine answer lfc, taking it forward from there for PPs benefit.
Where do you think it goes if the DUP just don't return to Stormont as the Framework will be signed off on today I believe. Do you think the DUP will have gained more power within the walls of Westminster, within the six counties. Do you think as a result of having done so well that might tarnish more votes more seats and get even more power. |
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ok, so lfc is talking about the original protocol, fair enough.
But in light of the recent brake thing, and the DUP voting against it, I'm still wondering what their power currently is, and aka's curious phrase of them telling us what the next move is. I mean, that whole confidence and supply deal with the tories is now dead in the water isn't it? They clearly hold no sway over Tory policy, particularly over brexit and Ireland as was shown last week? So if they can't influence that, what is the power they hold, what is their next move that he's so eagerly anticipating? Cos I don't see it as being anything to do with Brexit or the Irish border. Again, I'm happy to be corrected if someone has info on this. But, if I'm right, is this next move to do with Stormont? A Stormont which has already been closed for several years? So this next move? Stormont stays closed? Is that it? |
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and apart from the basic headlines I'm not clued up on Northern Ireland either.
 Bet his best mate is a leprechaun. |
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eh?
You managed to make it back though. Good on yer. Any chance of telling us what this next move of the DUP's is? |
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the DUP did vote against the framework
However they are in favour of the improvements ( if they are in fact such , it’s not that straightforward ) Nevertheless if we assume it will in practice be of help to business and trade .. ( the original protocol simply couldn’t have been allowed to continue ) then we will see how it works in practice So of course the DUP can vote against the framework despite recognising improvements. Any improvements are due to them . However it seems there are aspects which they remain opposed to . Maybe constitutional and also the fact that the framework seems just too tricky and difficult to implement especially if the green lanes still require paperwork and costs and time etc . It’s just not an elegant solution They could return .. but keep in mind it was closing Stormont that achieved the improvements Might be best to stay out , keep Stormont closed - maybe another year and see if that helps |
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Here’s the thing - it is Undemocratic to expect
a political party to implement a policy to which they are ideologically opposed |
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It is simply wrong to go into government and to do that
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Nice words lfc, now can you answer the question please.
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The dup wanted brexit,they had a media campaign with adverts on the UK mainland in The Metro,they are against the Good Friday agreement and wanted a land border once again on the island of Ireland.
They are nothing but petulant children throwing their toys out of the pram as they are in a minority,lost the local elections and their supremacist statelet discriminating against Catholics. Nothing to do with the NIP Law needs to be brought in so NI can function without a party walking out. |
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Hmm I see lapsy wants the law to change
but of course he wasn’t calling for the law to change when Sinn Fein / IRA walked out - for 3 years Don’t worry Westminster can run things - just as they did for 30 years or more without Stormiont , oh and 300 years or so without holyrood |
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Stormont can stay closed for 300 years for all I could care
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We're not British, we're not Saxon, we're not English
We're Irish and proud we are to be So **** your Union Jack, we want our country back We want to see old Ireland free once more |
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lfc is in the nursing home in eastbourne
like most patients he blabs on all day to himself they are all like that |
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Easy to say you want to see it closed now Lfc when the unionists had a majority, well they no longer have,the Catholics have to have fairness and they never got it. Joint authority beckons.
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lol , NI is a separate country by inclination and custom and background
It has been that way for at least a thousand years Much longer than Germany , USA , Czech Republic , Australia the Balkan countries etc etc In fact hundreds of countries . It’s NOT the same country |
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Lfc is a geriatric
He looks backward not forward The only thing closing that he worriex about Is his coffin Geriatrics are like that |
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Jackie Charlton made in Britain
Loved in Ireland 1 nil to the Ireland 1 nil to St Jack Who put the ball in the English net We did we did |
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Great stuff pecker , good memories
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Ole ole ole ole
Bloody marvellous lad Stick it up em! |
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Toicfaidh ár lá
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Luk thons Tha Dee whaur oor yuns ****
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ps Gaelic is a language spoken by the Gaels , who came from North Eastern Ulster ,
the islands of Caledonia and the north western coastlands of Ireland . Archeology suggests that the Gaels arrived in England as early as 3,200 BC |
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back to bed mate ..... before matron catches you .....AGAIN !!!!
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.....dont forget your preservatives for breakfast
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What we have, we hold.
One man, one vote. No surrender. Not an inch. |
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Ulster stands at the cross roads.
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