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By:
MALAY
When: 01 Nov 24 17:35
It was a vote for lunatics every business sector was against it. but the racists got their way through facebook and other social media targets.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 01 Nov 24 17:43
If Brexit was a success in any shape or form it would be roared from the rooftops, instead put away into a box and mustn't be mentioned and this by the gov that said it was 'a great deal'.

Even pleas from the then brexit minister to Express readers asking for 'ideas'

Fook me, you couldn't make it up.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 17:47
RR never mentioned it ....never read anything about it now ...because it's over.

Brexit was / is and always will be a great success - we are no longer controlled by the EU - everything else is just noise.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 01 Nov 24 17:50
When the cost of 'red tape' comes into play from EU imports it may be a bit different, you seem a bit slow with that.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 17:52
Freedom is priceless - and you're going on about the cost of "red tape'' - you just don't get it do you  ?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Nov 24 17:55
It's not if we rejoin it's when.

About 66% now to rejoin, and growing

This government won't, next tory government wont

But then it's all to play for, and by the brexiteers will
be gone.
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 17:58
The UK wasn't controlled by the EU. The UK was a very formative shaper of the EU.
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:02
And it could once more assume that role if people don't abide by speech and thought control. Just like Farage didn't just say "Ah well, we joined the EU. It's a done deal forever and ever after. Let's never talk about the issue again".
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:05
David Cameron was told where to go when he asked for "concessions"  - that was the key moment. We were no longer controlling or even shaping anything . It was time to move on.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:08
I wonder if the EU would do anything different if they had that chance again. They thought they had us over a barrel , but they were so wrong !
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:08
Of course not everything will always go your precise preferred way in a bigger entity. That should go without saying. In addition to the hefty word in its instutions and general policy making, the UK enjoyed plenty "concessions". From rebates to currency.
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:09
Are we going to claim the Scotland is controlled by England when Scotland doesn't get its will on something?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:11
I'm all for closer working with the EU , but we can now do that on our terms. If they want tit for tat red tape on imports / exports then fine or we can look for some other mutually beneficial way of doing things.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Nov 24 18:12
Lol, yeah cut our nose off, that'll show the EU, if we add red
tape to imports.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:12
Let the Scottish people decide ...
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:12
Of course, but don't garbage the vital and important role that UK played in the EU's shaping. Don't belittle the role and importance of the UK.
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:13
Don't make the UK some abject victim.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:14
As I said telling DC to do one was the tipping point...There were loads of benefits to being in the EU , but the price of membership just became too high.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:17
If they add red tape to our exports , then add red tape to their exports - increase your leverage -  then suggest sitting  down round a table and work out a better way to benefit both parties.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:19
I would what a mutually beneficial solution could be ???
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:20
Of course the EU have a grow up and remove their "Punish UK" hat first , but I think they are getting there slowly.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 01 Nov 24 18:22
Johnny they have added red tape,in simple terms that means it isn't cost effective for small UK exporters to market on the continent, the UK don't want to put red tape on EU imports as it will cost the UK consumer more,Rees Mogg describes that as an act of 'self harm'
By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:23

Nov 1, 2024 -- 6:20PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Of course the EU have a grow up and remove their "Punish UK" hat first , but I think they are getting there slowly.


edy • November 1, 2024 5:13 PM GMT
Don't make the UK some abject victim.

By:
Zephyrus
When: 01 Nov 24 18:23

Nov 1, 2024 -- 6:19PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


I would what a mutually beneficial solution could be ???


Back to the European Economic Area with better rules for the immigration and freedom of movement. The UK is going to have some immigration the next ten years, so do the british people prefer europeans or people from Asia and Africa?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Nov 24 18:23
So we have folk in uk checking eu compliance with our red tape, adding
more costs to our imports.

Great idea, lol.
By:
Zephyrus
When: 01 Nov 24 18:27

Nov 1, 2024 -- 6:05PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


David Cameron was told where to go when he asked for "concessions"

By:
edy
When: 01 Nov 24 18:29
Cameron was not smart enough to manage that situation. The key point was to have patience, and to build a coalition of nations against France and Germany. The UK had a strong veto power and was not using it. England would have the support of Hungary,
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:33
With hindsight, It appears that the EU didn't manage it too well either.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:35
The EU add costs to our exports , then sure add costs to their exports , until we find a better way -  a win win solution looks pretty easy to me.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 01 Nov 24 18:40
No Johnny, the EU aren't adding costs to your exports,they are looking that their own standards are adhered to and that requires certification. It is the same for every country outside Europe.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:43
So you work out some mutually agreed standards and , bingo - it's not difficult.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 01 Nov 24 18:44
Like emmmm...the Single market?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:44
Money will always find a way to get a deal done - Is there a way we can both save money  ? - the answer is staring us in the face.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:46
No it's not the single market , because we can say 'non' if we don't like what is proposed. Big difference.
By:
Zephyrus
When: 01 Nov 24 18:46

Nov 1, 2024 -- 6:43PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


So you work out some mutually agreed standards and , bingo - it's not difficult.


We had that... it was and it's the European Economic Area.

By:
Zephyrus
When: 01 Nov 24 18:47

Nov 1, 2024 -- 6:46PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


No it's not the single market , because we can say 'non' if we don't like what is proposed. Big difference.


UK had the power to say no when was inside the EU... if many times the country accepted some rules just blame Tony Blair.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Nov 24 18:48
Yeah we were in a great arrangement that we set up

Then we left

Tories wanted to renage on leaving agreement too, lol

Now you want to just agree new special terms, lol, again.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 01 Nov 24 18:55
We didn't - that is the whole point - DC asked for concessions and they said "do one".

Now we can pick and choose - a deal on cheese ? - Shall we get rid of certification on cheese - ? Agreed ? Easy OK done .

The deal on cheese is not dependent on being a member of some club involving a myriad of other rules  and regulation - it's a deal on cheese.

Next ?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 01 Nov 24 18:56
Lol, dream on
By:
Zephyrus
When: 01 Nov 24 18:56
Putin and China are building a coalition with dozens of countries geopolitically against the West. Just say goodbye the the global Britain. In a certain way european countries, Canada, USA, Australia, Japan, New Zealand or South Korea are becoming isolated and surrounded by autocracies.
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