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Mandatory vaccination couldn't happen...could it?
Mandatory vaccination couldn't happen...could it?
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JTG,
you ask whats the total endgame? well imo the rich people in this country are getting richer by the day.the poor people poorer by the day.the govt are doing this with the poor peoples money.the poor people will pay more tax to pay the debt off. they are doing this because we have let them,because they can and because they have always wanted to. if you think for one nano second boris and his mates have the countries best interests at heart then you will be sadly let down. |
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I'm absolutely gobsmacked that someone would belittle the thought of asking "what's next" ie, what are the consequences of my actions? What could happen if I do this or that. It's risk assessment.
How have these people made it to adulthood? |
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Mission creep setting in.
At each point the pro-Boris/pro-lockdown contingent on here only want to discuss the current 'it is only...' subject in hand. They fail to acknowledge they are signing up for measures through fear that would have been unimaginable 11 months ago when the subject in hand was... '3 weeks to flatten the curve and stop the NHS being overwhelmed'. after they were shown a couple of videos of a ward in a hospital struggling in Northern Italy. |
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Anyway, I'm sure our Albanian friends will let you have a covid passport on ebay for a oner in the near future.
No needles, no after shock, no leprosy. Very resourceful are our feisty friends  |
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Good idea cuckoo
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amazing all the brains on here and in parliament no one has ever thought it might be easier and cheaper just to replace the 20 thousand nhs staff they got rid of over the last 10 years.that might save the nhs without ruining our country and killing more folk
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Loving the downvotes for any anti lockdown posts
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At least it gets em out from behind the chez longe JLS
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if they ever have to start thinking for themselves or god forbid make a decision,i think we could see grown men crying in the street.
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What did we learn about name calling the other day, JLS?
Please don't hypocrite around like this. Thank you very much. |
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I have noticed that there is an unhealthy obsession of hypocrisy among hypocrites.
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This is it...linking Covid deaths with funding to the NHS when it suits. The NHS is a bottomless pit; doing a great service to most. Also, an entity with enormous waste and unlawful usage and fraud. Nevertheless, a massive potential and necessity to service the poor and needy but, certain changes necessary to target the most needy post Covid.
Like most things some are not as affected (or at all) by Covid for varying reasons. I'm sure when more is known of the virus a detail explanation could be given as to why this is so at a later date. In the meantime just think about how best to minimise transmission, induce a reduction in hospitalisation and death rate. But, these vaccines will not change one's dna or fertility. This's not how a vaccine works! |
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amazing all the brains on here and in parliament no one has ever thought it might be easier and cheaper just to replace the 20 thousand nhs staff they got rid of over the last 10 years.that might save the nhs without ruining our country and killing more folk
Probably because that would make very little difference. When people are so ill they're going to hospital they're already at the point where the virus can be having significant consequences. Stopping people getting to that stage is the key. Additionally, the alt-right hate the NHS, healthcare, taxation and funding so any increase in resources won't happen or be supported by the vast majority of the anti lockdown mob at any time. |
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so by your argument inner,having less staff wouldnt make any difference either? why dont we get rid of more staff then?
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^^Such a moot and point. Try harder!
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explain
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Covid had probably ravaged the infected to a point of return; numbers would not have saved the dead.
Prevention is better than cure. |
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Having extra staff would help to the extent that people in hospital would receive greater individual care than that with overstretched staff. But extra staff alone does not entail extra beds, ventilators, equipment, wards etc. Extra staff alone isn't changing capacity of patients that can be accommodated. And even if capacity is increased, the exponential way the virus spreads means that any extra number of beds across the infrastructure only buys a finite amount of time where a lockdown to stop the new higher capacity from being overwhelmed, would occur.
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Number of staff is static for year .. Agency waste..
Management numbers tripled extra beds, ventilators, equipment, wards etc. Too late. |
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inner,if you think i didnt mean extra staff,beds,ventilators etc then i should of been a bit clearer.
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The issue is fundamentally the same even if you did. Increasing capacity by 20k beds probably gets you an extra week before a lockdown gets called, it's not the difference between none of this happening and all this happening and 120k dying.
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my point was simply, many hands make like work.all we hear about is the nhs staff being overworked.if more staff,workload gets shared,less work per person therefore staff not overworked.no?
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That wasn't the implication in your earlier message, it was that it was the difference between all this happening or not. I think in terms of spreading workload more healthcare staff would always be beneficial, pandemic or not. I can't imagine what a harrowing experience it has been on some of those wards through all this.
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so i was right then? more staff,less workload per person,better care for patients,less chance of condition worsening or dying.no?
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How many of the 120000 do you think would have lived with your extra nurses available?
'that might save the nhs without ruining our country' What do you mean by the country being ruined? Clarify the exact nature of the ruination, and how are you envisaging the nurses specifically would have stopped it from happening. |
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120,000 is not the civid mortality as well you just know..
Get real .. 0-0 utd  |
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dont you understand? we are being told we need to "save the nhs" because they are overrun.they wouldnt be if there was more of them.then they could give better care,then not as many may have died.
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Deaths would be the same but theyd have one less reason to justify lockdown. It would make no difference as they would just make up another one.
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Save the NHS is always banded about, the NHS have presided over the worst death rate of any country on the planet per person and has been breaking at the seems for years. If the NHS needs millions to remain inside to save it with other countries that have no NHS boasting better cancer / heart disease/ covid outcomes of comparable status ( not third world countries) what are we saving exactly.. thousands of elderly people sent to their deaths in old folks homes with do not resuscitate orders from the NHS?
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One new case of mutant variant..
HSE issues panic warning .. ..Lock it down .. |
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'dont you understand? we are being told we need to "save the nhs" because they are overrun.they wouldnt be if there was more of them.then they could give better care,then not as many may have died.'
It wouldn't make much difference as explained earlier, the best way of stopping people from dying of covid is for people to not get covid in the first place. When people are sick enough to go to hospital for many it's essentially too late unfortunately. As previously stated an extra 20000 nurses just delays a lockdown for a week or two, it wouldn't stop lockdowns altogether. |
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Killing eve is on so I'll keep this short
No trolley crisis in a pandemic .. First time in 15 + years Lowest hospital admissions last 12 months Save you say ... Sick joke |
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Covid has cured everything
Its cured cancer, diabetes etc But its cured homelessness, the stock markets and more importantly "the economy", even though everywhere's been shut for 6 months... its a miracle |
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But its also*
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"jobless number dropping on covid news"
They simply... lie Its what they do and they are damn good at it How any of these news presenters can read that teleprompter with a straight face I give it to them I really do, a massive round of applause  |
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how do they go home at night and face their families knowing they have spent all day lying to their fellow men?
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I think some of them do it willingly
Some of them probably think its actually real as well But its the utter BS about the economy that does me |
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The economic reckoning is coming, no doubt about it - will make the great depression look like the celtic tiger - maybe a digital currency will be needed to 'reset'
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The Americans think its only a couple of weeks away
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