Politics
Mandatory vaccination couldn't happen...could it?
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Have we learnt nothing from history ?
Segregation for colour , religion , beliefs , sex , education , disability.....not a good thing . Nothing .no... how to kill more efficiently  |
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Pick your fights frog - I'm not protesting when I'm advised to take a properly medically authorised vaccine , that could save my life and others , that has been administered worldwide without any apparent drawbacks.
I'll judge any future "control measures" on their merits and act accordingly. |
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I, for one , have never advocated mandatory vaccinations - I would defend your right to refuse , (personally I believe it could be a big mistake to opt out) , but , you must be prepared to accept all consequences and possible social restrictions of reaching your decision.
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mate you're trying to distinguish between de jure and de facto
if you can't do anything without a vaccine it is DE FACTO mandatory |
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Please don't twist my words - There is a big difference between my 'possible social restrictions' and your 'can't do anything'.
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and what are these restrictions? being able to enter a shop, pub or restaurant?
can you lead a normal life without being able to do that? |
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To discriminate against young people and children that are at very very very low risk from Covid is disgusting.
If you are more vulnerable take the jab if you want but do not discriminate against those who are young. |
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I don't decide on the restrictions (if any) , society and the Government will work that out.
But , in my opinion , there will be some - but how extensive and for how long , nobody knows. |
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'The Health Ministry on Thursday launched the long-awaited “Green Pass” certificate which will enable those vaccinated or recovered from the coronavirus to take part in various activities. At the same time, the ministry warned of serious legal penalties for those who falsify the passes. '
https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-launches-green-pass-for-vaccinated-warns-of-jail-for-fraudsters/ Shocking stuff. |
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To be honest, it would make me wonder what other H&S aspects they didn't care about.
The same thing has happened up here. There was a kid's play centre that refused to close last year and did all the phoney Magna Carta balls. They thought they were fighting the good fight. Their social media has instead been inundated with parents saying they'll never go again, putting us in danger, what else are you doing that's centred round your pockets rather than safety etc? It'll be lucky to survive a few months. |
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Right now , as things stand , If I was with my elderly parents then yes I would. Why would I take that small extra risk ?
If I was out with my mates then I would ask if they were bothered before going in - If one of them was concerned , I wouldn't debate the issue , I would just accept his view and look for somewhere where we were all comfortable. |
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If you and your parents are all jabbed up and are low risk of illness why do you care what other people do?
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In six months would you let your elderly parents go any where near kids that cannot have the jab?
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"Why would I take that small extra risk ?"
we used to take small extra risks all the time we can't live any sort of normal decent life otherwise |
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Are we literally saying elderly people should never see their grandkids again even after having the jabs?
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I expected better than the circuit breaker .. Kids would of came up with better
We're all in this together ..  condescending dibble ..I suggest It's for your own good fools Highest obesity in europe. Many on gov.welfare Gov.housing Your lazy and we want to do sh1t Incapable of betting within means We want to know if all Pay,rent,shares,stocks,health,travel,the lot.. Now we can be trusted .. Believe us .. Tony thinks we've great too.  |
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Frog - If I wasn't comfortable with the situation then I wouldn't take them out for a drink until I was.
Giuseppe - Because it is a small extra risk but with a huge possible downside (their death). Also it is a risk that hasn't been properly assessed yet , either by the experts or by me. The other small day to day risks in my life , crossing the road , flying , flu, driving , getting trampled by a herd of cows walking through a field , I am more familiar with and comfortable assessing. |
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what about the downside in terms of civil liberties? in terms of how we live our lives long term?
i don't want to live in a society where i need a passport to go the pub |
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You might not want to and I can understand that view in normal times - But these are extraordinary times , we are fighting a new deadly worldwide virus that has killed millions and decimated the economy and killing even more that way. If having to tap in on your phone (or something similar ) when going to the pub is a way to get out of this mess quicker , then I'm all for it. We are all used to tapping away on our Oyster card and think nothing of it .
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You sound like the sort of guys that refuse to wear a seat belt when driving - "That'll show them !"
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The virus has not decimated the economy.
Government policy has. Back in the 50s and 60s economies had no hit because we did not have such a pathetic response. The modern age of social media people can be quickly manipulated. Look how fast last year many hit the streets after G. Floyd and J. Blake died. Massive uproar in the media and on social media. Those same people that were manipulated to protest did not even blink when those behind the Jacob Blake killing were not charged. They probably do not even know about it now the news cycle has moved. The same applies with Covid. If it did not dominate the media and we all just carried on people would feel very differently. If cancer deaths were reported day after day on the news people would demand something was done. If pollution deaths were reported day after day on the news people would demand something was done. People are so easily played. |
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"we are fighting a new deadly worldwide virus"
deadly my ass if you're not in your 80s with multiple underlying illnesses it's not deadly at all |
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You are now moving the debate away from what we were discussing to ones that have been done to death on here - Frog arguing that the Government's approach has wrong and Giuseppe , the effects of the virus is exaggerated . I'm not going down those old rabbit holes again.
We are where we are. |
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' Johnny The Guesser • February 25, 2021 2:36 PM GMT
You might not want to and I can understand that view in normal times - But these are extraordinary times , we are fighting a new deadly worldwide virus that has killed millions and decimated the economy and killing even more that way. ' You are the one that is trying to justify unacceptable policies because of 'extraordinary times' and have lost all proportion of what we are dealing with. |
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A full surveillance systems (with cameras) that tracks daily movements of in the one of the biggest city in the world - Totally acceptable - not a word of protest.
A system that records which pub somebody goes into - Totally and utterly unacceptable under any circumstances. An argument just for arguing's sake in my opinion. |
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Secret voyeur , stalker alert
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You are seeing this as extraordinary times that need extra measures.
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The country has been in lockdown for nearly a year (rightly or wrongly) - I think "extraordinary times" is a fair description.
What I think personally is immaterial - What matters is that society in general views it as a serious virus, so I'm trying to discuss here how I think society will react to this situation - this is not the same as me spouting personal views on what I think should be done - but what I think society will do. When I give my personal opinions I try and make that distinction clear. |
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Frog
Who exactly are the “we” you witter on about when you say “if we cave in?” If you don’t want to have vaccine then don’t have it. Simples. The majority of the adult population will have the vaccine, we already know that some countries want evidence that visitors have been vaccinated. What is the problem. Nobody is forcing you to have the vaccine, don’t have it if you are scared. You want to prevent millions of people from having the ability to give evidence that they have had a vaccine. Why do you want to control the lives of the majority of the population? |
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Vaccinations are not new. I'd them against measles and polio. Unless one is medically exempt one must have one regardless - it's our responsibility to humanity.
1) Heath and care homes staff must be vaccinated to protect the elderly residents or those with underlying health conditions or learning difficulties. Otherwise, sadly a new vocation is necessary if they cannot protect the people they are supposed to be caring. 2) Vaccinations cannot be refused because of wild beliefs or for cultural reasons; vaccines have been proven to reduce hospitalisation and transmission ie if you cannot transmit you cannot infect others 3) Vaccinations are required to combat, contain and reduce infections and hospitalisation meaning fewer deaths eventually. It's esp prudent and vital in the present climate. I'm neither for nor against a vaccine passport in the future for obvious reasons however, vaccinations against Covid presently is a must for every one medically conducive to reduce transmission, hospitalisation and deaths. It's a social and moral responsibility. Everyone must do their bit to minimise infection to another person. Think about the "safety" of others, not just ourself. |
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If your argument is that "there is nothing extraordinary going on , this isn't serious and nothing needs doing ".
Then that is your argument effectively done and dusted - that can be your counter to everything. It is a waste of time to argue against such an entrenched and extreme position. |
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i think there is a case to be made for care home staff being forced to get them
the other stuff "Unless one is medically exempt one must have one regardless" is that true? genuine question, i don't know "vaccines have been proven to reduce hospitalisation and transmission" so what? it's not the black death |
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