Mandatory vaccination couldn't happen...could it?

If I was trying to get pregnant I'd be doing a lot more medical procedures first.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:04PM, frog1000 wrote:

Feb 25, 2021 --  5:03PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:You're vicariously crying poverty for these young desperates who can't afford the vaccine, but at the same time claiming these self same people can afford to do international travel.That made me lol.Where can I buy a vaccine?

Maybe ryanair.com

Pay extra for bags, for seats, speedy boarding, maybe pay extra for the jab too!

Lets say in France the take up of vaccines is 40%. Same in Germany.

Do you really think in the years to come once the hysteria over Covid is over those people should be banned from the UK?

No, I personally see Covid as lasting till next summer. Jabs this year, booster at the start of winter and that should just about get rid of the mutant strains. That's how I see it. So I don't buy into the years to come hysteria by the tin foilers.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:05PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Pay extra for bags, for seats, speedy boarding, maybe pay extra for the jab too!

Who do I pay though? Who has jabs for sale? There is a worldwide shortage.

This whole plan has not been thought through.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:07PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

No, I personally see Covid as lasting till next summer. Jabs this year, booster at the start of winter and that should just about get rid of the mutant strains. That's how I see it. So I don't buy into the years to come hysteria by the tin foilers.

Covid is endemic. It is going no where.

There is no "whole plan". We've bought vaccines for us. They've bought vaccines for them. There is no happy clappy world community. Are you a bit late to the party here?

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:08PM, frog1000 wrote:

Feb 25, 2021 --  5:07PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:No, I personally see Covid as lasting till next summer. Jabs this year, booster at the start of winter and that should just about get rid of the mutant strains. That's how I see it. So I don't buy into the years to come hysteria by the tin foilers.Covid is endemic. It is going no where.

Again, I disagree.

You think zero Covid is possible?

I disagree. It is endemic.

Again, (I can do it in CAPS if it helps) I disagree.

So you think zero Covid is possible?

Lots of “Lets say” followed by made up science fiction.


UK doesn’t have a vaccine passport scheme yet.
Cost of vaccine in UK is £0


Why prevent people from providing evidence that they have had vaccine when other countries require it as an entry requirement.


If anybody doesn’t want a vaccine in U.k then that is fine, it is their choice.

Weird how it's exactly the same guys now saying it's endemic and we "need to learn to live with it (just not do anything to infringe on my civil liberties while doing so)" as the guys a few months ago who were so certain that it would be eradicated in a few months and the idea of a second wave was laughable.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:10PM, Mexico wrote:

Lots of “Lets say” followed by made up science fiction.UK doesn’t have a vaccine passport scheme yet.Cost of vaccine in UK is £0Why prevent people from providing evidence that they have had vaccine when other countries require it as an entry requirement.If anybody doesn’t want a vaccine in U.k then that is fine, it is their choice.

I never said that for travel. I said do not channel tax payers' money to big tech to develop a digital system for it that requires a trackable smart phone to run.

At the moment if I want physical yellow fever certificate I pay for it.

Domestically I am absolutely against it.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:11PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Weird how it's exactly the same guys now saying it's endemic and we "need to learn to live with it (just not do anything to infringe on my civil liberties while doing so)" as the guys a few months ago who were so certain that it would be eradicated in a few months and the idea of a second wave was laughable.

I do not recall anyone claiming it was possible to eradicate Covid.

Insider Frog will be cooking up another forum alias at this rate.

If someone appears as 'Ambassador to Manaus' we'll know who it is!

I remember the smoking brigade (FOREST) used the same argument eg why discriminate and deny smoker's the right to smoke in public places despite smoking is one of the main causes of cancer. But, they woke up when discarded ciggi buts were found to be responsible for setting alight King's Cross Underground killing and injuring many lives.

If anyone is still unaware of the deadly consequences of Covid then either the person probably has been in a bunker for the last year, selective in their memory loss or anti-government/anti-Bojo/anti-UK ie a person with a personal agenda or ulterior motive. Any further engagement is futile and non-productive.

Best then to place them on "ignore" like I've done with a few here.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:29PM, impossible123 wrote:

I remember the smoking brigade (FOREST) used the same argument eg why discriminate and deny smoker's the right to smoke in public places despite smoking is one of the main causes of cancer. But, they woke up when discarded ciggi buts were found to be responsible for setting alight King's Cross Underground killing and injuring many lives.If anyone is still unaware of the deadly consequences of Covid then either the person probably has been in a bunker for the last year, selective in their memory loss or anti-government/anti-Bojo/anti-UK ie a person with a personal agenda or ulterior motive. Any further engagement is futile and non-productive. Best then to place them on "ignore" like I've done with a few here.

Quite funny how you talk about some people being incapable of engagement and then block people who laugh at your silly posts talking about forcefully jabbing people so you effectively end up talking to yourself. If you have a meltdown and "ignore " people who disagree with you on a public forum, why not just talk to yourself in the bathroom mirror and not bother logging in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=80qVyf4aHQc&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=SkyNews


You guys reckon he knew at the time?

How anyone can trust anything this gove (pardon the pun) says is beyond me.


Constantly shifting goalposts, clearly designed to stop or delay public unrest, then a large proportion pretty much bribed to stay quiet - can we say 12 months on that we would accepted these terms for the end result (one of the highest death rates in world, but im sure it would have been much worse without lockdown), freedoms eroded, economy being held up like a drunk at the end of the bar (who is about to collapse monumentally), mental health destroyed, educations ruined - and that's with the naive optimism that were 'in the final stretch'.


I find it astounding, people are still listening to them, never mind still trusting them implicitly, and actively supporting them in dividing the country even further - literally doing their job for them, behavioral analysis team at SAGE due a huge rise imo, they genuinely deserve it.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 2:44PM, frog1000 wrote:

The virus has not decimated the economy.Government policy has.Back in the 50s and 60s economies had no hit because we did not have such a pathetic response. The modern age of social media people can be quickly manipulated. Look how fast last year many hit the streets after G. Floyd and J. Blake died. Massive uproar in the media and on social media. Those same people that were manipulated to protest did not even blink when those behind the Jacob Blake killing were not charged. They probably do not even know about it now the news cycle has moved.The same applies with Covid. If it did not dominate the media and we all just carried on people would feel very differently.If cancer deaths were reported day after day on the news people would demand something was done.If pollution deaths were reported day after day on the news people would demand something was done.People are so easily played.

Exactly, it's extremely easy to manipulate the masses from stances such as "no masks are required " early 2020 to parents believing kids should be muzzled all day in schools. Very few people have the courage to go against the majority once the flock of fools start moving towards their respective sheep pens- years ago you would be deemed insane going against the trend the earth wasn't flat and now we are expected to live like this with a virus that mainly kills those at the end of life so mild for the majority most dont know they have it. If people speak up they are shamed or "silenced" by MSM like those refusing to take a knee for someone who threatened to blow a baby out of a pregnant womans stomach supporting an anti capitalist movement with footballers earning millions per year leading the way.

The same people against vaccines (I exclude those medically unable/exempt) are the same ones that complain about discrimination; a lack of opportunities; education (despite it's free); housing; enhanced Covid death rates; etc. But, these same people do not ask why? For instance, living in clusters; socialising within community only; slack in adopting Covid measures eg social distancing (in public); etc.

Other minorities eg the East and South East Asians, Turkish, Japanese, etc, have no issue with present vaccines. Why?

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:51PM, impossible123 wrote:

The same people against vaccines (I exclude those medically unable/exempt) are the same ones that complain about discrimination; a lack of opportunities; education (despite it's free); housing; enhanced Covid death rates; etc. But, these same people do not ask why? For instance, living in clusters; socialising within community only; slack in adopting Covid measures eg social distancing (in public); etc.Other minorities eg the East and South East Asians, Turkish, Japanese, etc, have no issue with present vaccines. Why?

Why do you care if someone else does or does not take a vaccine?

Surely if you take it and it works it does not matter what everyone else does?

Ah sorry impossible, this is our fault were in this situation, gotcha

Feb 25, 2021 -- 4:51PM, impossible123 wrote:

The same people against vaccines (I exclude those medically unable/exempt) are the same ones that complain about discrimination; a lack of opportunities; education (despite it's free); housing; enhanced Covid death rates; etc. But, these same people do not ask why? For instance, living in clusters; socialising within community only; slack in adopting Covid measures eg social distancing (in public); etc.Other minorities eg the East and South East Asians, Turkish, Japanese, etc, have no issue with present vaccines. Why?

Utter rubbish, most people against what is effectively socially enforced vaccines are pro free will not banging the discrimination drum

If our health becomes the matter of the state where we lose control over our own bodies without restrictions being imposed, why are we stopping at vaccines? If not taking a vaccine is deemed to be " not doing your bit" why not enforce compulsory blood donation with cards as not giving blood will cost lives - where is the line in the sand drawn? Why shouldn't people give blood to save lives with the same social responsibility or bone marrow- are some deaths more socially acceptable than others? People with immune conditions die of flu so that should be next along with getting rid of car travel due to air pollution deaths - maybe we can draw up a list of things we should be doing  but dont make it too long as exercise is key to avoid putting strain on the NHS. Compulsory exercise watched by a big brother eye enroute soon enough for those people who dont want to take responsibility over their own health and want everyone else to do it for them like overgrown babies

Those people who think the majority here are listening and obeying regardless to government soundbites and advice cannot be further to the truth. I'm guided by the actions of other governments in dealing successfully with Covid eg Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Japan, S Korea and even China.

The French, Germans and almost the entire EU do not matter - most of them are playing politics and not taken the seriousness of Covid eg competing to open up economies; dissing a vaccine (unqualified) to try and cover their incompetence in procurement, etc.

I hope these countries put egos and politics aside instead have the health and safety of their citizens as top priority, not self-political interest.

Just stick to Covid vaccines and Covid. I'm 100% certain most here are able to make differentiations adequately and intelligently. Covid is no ordinary virus. It's deadly and indiscriminate.

And, health advice by distinguished, highly qualified and experienced health advisors is nothing to do with big-brother. They are not charlatans!

Wolf

What restrictions have the UK government imposed on people who haven’t had a vaccine?

Nobody is forcing you to have a vaccine, don’t have it if you are scared.

The vaccine is free of charge in UK , all that is being considered is a system where those who have chosen to receive vaccine have evidence that they have received vaccine. Why would anybody want to prevent them from having truthful, secure evidence?

If people have been scared into taking the vaccine then take it. Then stfu about it.

It's deadly and indiscriminate.

The average age covid death being higher than the average life expectancy would question the indiscriminate claim.

And ditto the reverse. There are always consequences to all our actions. You may get a sore arm, or you may get told you can't enter a country for a holiday. Just accept that before hiding behind the couch squeaming about big brother and what's next mummy!

'hiding behind the couch squeaming'

coming from the people doing the exact same thing for the past year, and now insisting everyone inject themselves with an experimental vaccine, even though they have had theirs, so they can feel 'safe'.

You couldn't make up the hypocrisy, PP another leftie I assume.

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:10PM, impossible123 wrote:

Just stick to Covid vaccines and Covid. I'm 100% certain most here are able to make differentiations adequately and intelligently. Covid is no ordinary virus. It's deadly and indiscriminate. And, health advice by distinguished, highly qualified and experienced health advisors is nothing to do with big-brother. They are not charlatans!

To start with we were told stick with:

'3 weeks to flatten the curve and protect the NHS'

Then we were told stick with:

'Its only a mask for 10 mins in a shop'

Then we were told stick with:

'Another lock down to protect the NHS whilst the vulnerable get vaccine'

Then we were told stick with:

'Kids only have to wear masks all day in school'

Then we are told stick with:

'We need longer lockdowns so we dont have to go back to lockdown.'

Then we were told stick with:

'Covid passports will only be for overseas travel'

You see the mission creep pattern here? Or have people really not noticed?

If only this pattern had been predicted, then we could be wise when it emerged

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:38PM, JetLoneStar wrote:

'hiding behind the couch squeaming'coming from the people doing the exact same thing for the past year, and now insisting everyone inject themselves with an experimental vaccine, even though they have had theirs, so they can feel 'safe'.You couldn't make up the hypocrisy, PP another leftie I assume.

What the hell has leftie got to do with it you lemon???


You come out with "experimental vaccine". Clearly you're a bit unsure about taking something. Shame 80 year old grannies have more bottle than some fellas in this country nowadays.

IT with the perfect "what's next mummy?" to prove my point there.

(particularly when it's complete hogwash too)

With the goal being what ? - total economy meltdown , and paying out billions of pounds to us to sit in our garden  ?

Your total control argument just makes no sense  - What is the endgame ? - control of a bankrupt , crippled nation ?

He is right though Porky
You are a lefty

The vaccine uses experimental mRNA technology, therefore it is 'experimental'

Im about as scared of the vaccine as I am of covid btw, have already stated ill probably end up taking it if it means I can have some of my life back - that last sentence pretty much encapsulates the area of all this that I find 'scary'.

The lefty comment alluded to the correlation between left wing voters and their well known traits of hypocrisy and desire to control.

JLS...........................you can stay mate.
Porky, get back in the kitchen

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:48PM, Jumping-cuckoo-monk wrote:

He is right though PorkyYou are a lefty

Occasionally. On some subjects, I undoubtedly am. I repeat though: what has that got to do with it you lemon?

JLS just told you Porky
2 sugars

Aah, he's a whingeing cry-baby. Explains a lot.


Anyhoo, here's my prediction. 99% of everyone on here who says they won't take it, or are in tears at the thought of others taking it, will quietly take it. Though they'll never admit to it of course.

Well that's covered all bases then Porky
I predict if any vaccine-head suffers any health repercussions they will not come on here and say so.
Easy this game.

Of course people will take it if the other option is becoming a social pariah, it's called coercion. That's the entire point of this thread silly billy

Have you got stocks in pfizer?
Sell, sell, sell

and most of the whinging I can see are from the lefties furious we wont give them the extra 'protection' they need to get out from behind the sofa and clean up the urine theyre standing in.

Yep it is the whole point of the thread. Mummy I'm being coerced, they're making me do this mummy. No, I don't want to just get on with my life mum, I want to wail about it online and join my friends who all agree it's part of Operation Windows 99 or whatever it is.



Thank god most people don't engage with social media too much as right now 90% would be equally bemused/amused at the rantings of the small minority of bed-wetters.

'ill probably end up taking it if it means I can have some of my life back'

You clearly don't have any belief in what you're saying then. No principles. What a hypocrite.

Why would I fall on my sword when in my opinion the war is already over. I have no fear that there is anything sinister in the vaccine, it's the government and its policies that concern me.

I look forward to the reactions when the economy crashes and the true extent of the damage is seen. Maybe that'll be the wakeup call the plebs need, far too late by then of course.

PP, make sure you have some more underwear for next winter and the new variants, hopefully mummy will help you clean up the mess

Am I doing that right??

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:10PM, impossible123 wrote:

Just stick to Covid vaccines and Covid. I'm 100% certain most here are able to make differentiations adequately and intelligently. Covid is no ordinary virus. It's deadly and indiscriminate. And, health advice by distinguished, highly qualified and experienced health advisors is nothing to do with big-brother. They are not charlatans!

so deadly the vast majority have it without even knowing and an average age of death above natural life expectancy- scary

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:59PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Yep it is the whole point of the thread. Mummy I'm being coerced, they're making me do this mummy. No, I don't want to just get on with my life mum, I want to wail about it online and join my friends who all agree it's part of Operation Windows 99 or whatever it is.Thank god most people don't engage with social media too much as right now 90% would be equally bemused/amused at the rantings of the small minority of bed-wetters.

Are you stuck in some kind of Oedipus complex?

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:44PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

IT with the perfect "what's next mummy?" to prove my point there.

Swap IT for cuckoo and repeat.

Lmao, he seems a truly bizarre creature

JTG,
you ask whats the total endgame? well imo the rich people in this country are getting richer by the day.the poor people poorer by the day.the govt are doing this with the poor peoples money.the poor people will pay more tax to pay the debt off.

they are doing this because we have let them,because they can and because they have always wanted to.

if you think for one nano second boris and his mates have the countries best interests at heart then you will be sadly let down.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that someone would belittle the thought of asking "what's next" ie, what are the consequences of my actions? What could happen if I do this or that. It's risk assessment.
How have these people made it to adulthood?

Mission creep setting in.

At each point the pro-Boris/pro-lockdown contingent on here only want to discuss the current 'it is only...' subject in hand.

They fail to acknowledge they are signing up for measures through fear that would have been unimaginable 11 months ago when the subject in hand was...

'3 weeks to flatten the curve and stop the NHS being overwhelmed'.

after they were shown a couple of videos of a ward in a hospital struggling in Northern Italy.

Anyway, I'm sure our Albanian friends will let you have a covid passport on ebay for a oner in the near future.
No needles, no after shock, no leprosy.
Very resourceful are our feisty friends

Good idea cuckoo

amazing all the brains on here and in parliament no one has ever thought it might be easier and cheaper just to replace the 20 thousand nhs staff they got rid of over the last 10 years.that might save the nhs without ruining our country and killing more folk

Loving the downvotes for any anti lockdown posts

They're like children

At least it gets em out from behind the chez longe JLS

if they ever have to start thinking for themselves or god forbid make a decision,i think we could see grown men crying in the street.

What did we learn about name calling the other day, JLS?

Please don't hypocrite around like this. Thank you very much.

I have noticed that there is an unhealthy obsession of hypocrisy among hypocrites.

This is it...linking Covid deaths with funding to the NHS when it suits. The NHS is a bottomless pit; doing a great service to most. Also, an entity with enormous waste and unlawful usage and fraud. Nevertheless, a massive potential and necessity to service the poor and needy but, certain changes necessary to target the most needy post Covid.

Like most things some are not as affected (or at all) by Covid for varying reasons. I'm sure when more is known of the virus a detail explanation could be given as to why this is so at a later date. In the meantime just think about how best to minimise transmission, induce a reduction in hospitalisation and death rate.

But, these vaccines will not change one's dna or fertility. This's not how a vaccine works!

amazing all the brains on here and in parliament no one has ever thought it might be easier and cheaper just to replace the 20 thousand nhs staff they got rid of over the last 10 years.that might save the nhs without ruining our country and killing more folk


Probably because that would make very little difference. When people are so ill they're going to hospital they're already at the point where the virus can be having significant consequences. Stopping people getting to that stage is the key. Additionally, the alt-right hate the NHS, healthcare, taxation and funding so any increase in resources won't happen or be supported by the vast majority of the anti lockdown mob at any time.

so by your argument inner,having less staff wouldnt make any difference either? why dont we get rid of more staff then?

^^Such a moot and point. Try harder!

explain

Feb 25, 2021 -- 7:28PM, impossible123 wrote:

This is it...linking Covid deaths with funding to the NHS when it suits. The NHS is a bottomless pit; doing a great service to most. Also, an entity with enormous waste and unlawful usage and fraud. Nevertheless, a massive potential and necessity to service the poor and needy but, certain changes necessary to target the most needy post Covid. Like most things some are not as affected (or at all) by Covid for varying reasons. I'm sure when more is known of the virus a detail explanation could be given as to why this is so at a later date. In the meantime just think about how best to minimise transmission, induce a reduction in hospitalisation and death rate.But, these vaccines will not change one's dna or fertility. This's not how a vaccine works!

They won't change your DNA but can you 100% guarantee they will have zero effect on anyone's fertility?

That is a big call that I have not seen made elsewhere.

Covid had probably ravaged the infected to a point of return; numbers would not have saved the dead.

Prevention is better than cure.

Having extra staff would help to the extent that people in hospital would receive greater individual care than that with overstretched staff. But extra staff alone does not entail extra beds, ventilators, equipment, wards etc. Extra staff alone isn't changing capacity of patients that can be accommodated. And even if capacity is increased, the exponential way the virus spreads means that any extra number of beds across the infrastructure only buys a finite amount of time where a lockdown to stop the new higher capacity from being overwhelmed, would occur.

Number of staff is static for year .. Agency waste..
Management numbers tripled
extra beds, ventilators, equipment, wards etc. Too late.

inner,if you think i didnt mean extra staff,beds,ventilators etc then i should of been a bit clearer.

The issue is fundamentally the same even if you did. Increasing capacity by 20k beds probably gets you an extra week before a lockdown gets called, it's not the difference between none of this happening and all this happening and 120k dying.

my point was simply, many hands make like work.all we hear about is the nhs staff being overworked.if more staff,workload gets shared,less work per person therefore staff not overworked.no?

That wasn't the implication in your earlier message, it was that it was the difference between all this happening or not. I think in terms of spreading workload more healthcare staff would always be beneficial, pandemic or not. I can't imagine what a harrowing experience it has been on some of those wards through all this.

so i was right then? more staff,less workload per person,better care for patients,less chance of condition worsening or dying.no?

How many of the 120000 do you think would have lived with your extra nurses available?

'that might save the nhs without ruining our country'
What do you mean by the country being ruined? Clarify the exact nature of the ruination, and how are you envisaging the nurses specifically would have stopped it from happening.

120,000 is not the civid mortality as well you just know..
Get real ..
0-0 utd

dont you understand? we are being told we need to "save the nhs" because they are overrun.they wouldnt be if there was more of them.then they could give better care,then not as many may have died.

Deaths would be the same but theyd have one less reason to justify lockdown. It would make no difference as they would just make up another one.

Save the NHS is always banded about, the NHS have presided over the worst death rate of any country on the planet per person and has been breaking at the seems for years. If the NHS needs millions to remain inside to save it with other countries that have no NHS boasting better cancer / heart disease/ covid outcomes of comparable status ( not third world countries) what are we saving exactly.. thousands of elderly people  sent to their deaths in old folks homes with do not resuscitate orders from the NHS?

One new case of mutant variant..
HSE issues panic warning ....
Lock it down ..

'dont you understand? we are being told we need to "save the nhs" because they are overrun.they wouldnt be if there was more of them.then they could give better care,then not as many may have died.'

It wouldn't make much difference as explained earlier, the best way of stopping people from dying of covid is for people to not get covid in the first place. When people are sick enough to go to hospital for many it's essentially too late unfortunately. As previously stated an extra 20000 nurses just delays a lockdown for a week or two, it wouldn't stop lockdowns altogether.

Killing eve is on so I'll keep this short

No trolley crisis in a pandemic .. First time in 15  + years
Lowest hospital admissions last 12 months

Save you say ... Sick joke

Covid has cured everything

Its cured cancer, diabetes etc

But its cured homelessness, the stock markets and more importantly "the economy", even though everywhere's been shut for 6 months... its a miracle

But its also*

"jobless number dropping on covid news"

They simply... lie

Its what they do and they are damn good at it

How any of these news presenters can read that teleprompter with a straight face I give it to them I really do, a massive round of applause

how do they go home at night and face their families knowing they have spent all day lying to their fellow men?

I think some of them do it willingly

Some of them probably think its actually real as well

But its the utter BS about the economy that does me

The economic reckoning is coming, no doubt about it - will make the great depression look like the celtic tiger - maybe a digital currency will be needed to 'reset'

The Americans think its only a couple of weeks away

Dr.glynn ..
We will have case,clusters,September to December " we know that"
Boom.
Well shiver me timber .. I

It's pinky & the brain