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By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 15:08

Jan 22, 2021 -- 2:41PM, tobermory wrote:


Trump I suppose!Hard to see him not running. I think Pompeo the most likely if Trump stands aside for whatever reason.Paul Ryan would be the dream candidate for the Republican leadership. I'm sure he will trade below 30 at some point, but hard to see how someone like that could win the nomination.I think he would easily defeat Biden or Harris if it was one v one, but unlikely if Trump is a 3rd party candidate.


A good start. You don't fancy Haley chances at all and I do. I don't fancy Pompeo chances at all and you do Grin I can't see Trump getting to the starting blocks as the Republican candidate.

By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 15:43
I was chuckling a couple of days ago when my fiver at 28.0 for President 2024 got matched. Now that seems about the right priceGrin
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 15:43
For Trump that was.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 16:04
You can lay at 20/1 for a small profit.
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 16:08
No, I am going to go all in and let it rideGrin
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:53
More cnn fake noos....



As the House prepares to send articles of impeachment to the Senate on Monday, CNN has learned that dozens of influential Republicans around Washington -- including former top Trump administration officials -- have been quietly lobbying GOP members of Congress to impeach and convict Donald Trump. The effort is not coordinated but reflects a wider battle inside the GOP between those loyal to Trump and those who want to sever ties and ensure he can never run for President again.

The lobbying started in the House after the January 6 attack on the Capitol and in the days leading up to impeachment. But it's now more focused on Sen. Mitch McConnell, the powerful minority leader who has signaled he may support convicting Trump.

"Mitch said to me he wants Trump gone," one Republican member of Congress told CNN. "It is in his political interest to have him gone. It is in the GOP interest to have him gone. The question is, do we get there?"
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:54
McConnell had proposed delaying the trial until February, but with the articles coming to the Senate on Monday, the process will likely be set in motion sooner. It would take 17 Republicans to join all 50 Democrats in order to convict. While the bar is high, some GOP sources think there is more of an appetite to punish the former President than is publicly apparent.

"There were 10 House Republicans who voted for impeachment. There were probably over 150 who supported it," said Charlie Dent, a former Republican congressman and CNN contributor.

The ongoing Republican whisper campaign, according to more than a dozen sources who spoke to CNN, is based on a shared belief that a successful conviction is critical for the future of the Republican party. Multiple sources describe this moment as a reckoning for the party.

"Trump created a cult of personality that is hard to dismantle," said a former senior Republican official. "Conviction could do that."

The lobbying effort has included behind-the-scenes pressure by Republican donors, calls from former top Trump White House officials, and a set of talking points circulating among Republicans arguing for Trump's impeachment.

The 9-point memo charges that "it is difficult to find a more anti-conservative outburst by a U.S. president than Donald Trump the last two months." Other points include that Trump "urged supporters from across the nation to come to Washington, DC, to disrupt" Congress on January 6 and egged on the crowd, which was "widely understood to include people who were planning to fight physically, and who were prepared to die in response to his false claims of a 'stolen election.''

The memo goes on to point out Trump "tweeted and made other statements against the Vice President as the Secret Service was being forced to rush Mike Pence out of the Senate chamber and into a protective bunker." It's unclear how widely disseminated the memo is among Republicans in Washington
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:55
McConnell is also facing pressure from a faction of Senate Republicans to stick with Trump, with some telling CNN that support for conviction could threaten McConnell's leadership.

"No, no, no," Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican and Trump ally, told CNN when asked if he could support McConnell if he voted to convict Trump, calling such a vote a "dangerous precedent" and adding: "I don't even think we should be having a trial."

"If you're wanting to erase Donald Trump from the party, you're going to get erased," Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said on Fox News Wednesday. "This idea of moving forward without Donald Trump in the Republican Party is a disaster for the Republican Party."

There have also been public appeals for Republican lawmakers to take action against Trump. Former White House chief of staff John Kelly told CNN if it was up to him, he would vote to remove Trump. Former Attorney General Bill Barr accused the President of "orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress" and went on to call his conduct a "betrayal of his office."
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:55
Among some former Trump administration officials, the President's actions around the January 6 riot aroused feelings of disgust.

"I almost threw up when I saw the President tweeting against Mike Pence," said one former senior Trump official.

In addition, more than 30 former Republican members of Congress signed a letter urging House members to vote to impeach. At the same time, current and former Senate aides are encouraging their bosses to seriously consider voting to convict.

And in the days after January 6, a handful of House staffers whose bosses supported Trump resigned, including a senior GOP staffer on the House Armed Services Committee and aides to Reps. Lauren Boebert and Jim Jordan.

"A lot of people view this as a fight for the party," said one former Republican Hill aide.

Others are hoping more Senate Republicans will step up.

"In the Senate, there is more institutional respect and understanding of the long-term consequences," said former Trump administration appointee Gabriel Noronha. "There is also real resentment of Trump and the damage he has done, and awareness of what this means in the next four to eight years."

Noronha recently made news when he was fired by the White House for a tweet condemning Trump's actions on January 6
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:56
The consensus among the Republicans who spoke to CNN is that McConnell's decision on conviction will sway others. On Tuesday, in his most forceful comments yet, McConnell tied Trump's actions to the attack itself during a speech on the Senate floor.

"The mob was fed lies," McConnell said. "They were provoked by the President and other powerful people. And they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like. But we pressed on."

Since he is known as restrained and deliberate, McConnell's words gave hope to Republicans who would like the party to split from Trump.

"I hope Mitch's institutional reverence for the Senate will overcome his natural political caution and will lead him to the conclusion that Trump is in the way of the party's future," said the former senior GOP official.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 18:56
Other Republican senators who have said they will vote to acquit cite a Jan. 12 op-ed in The Washington Post by former federal judge and conservative legal luminary J. Michael Luttig. Luttig writes an impeachment trial after Trump left office would be unconstitutional.

"I think a lot of people would like a reason not to convict," said a former Republican Senate staffer.

But other Republican legal experts are pushing back with GOP senators.

"It feels like the weight of the energy in Washington with legal conservatives is pretty strongly in favor of impeachment," said Gregg Nunziata, a former counsel to the Senate Republican conference who has reached out to senators himself.

However the fear of reprisal from Trump's allies in the media -- Fox News hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham have already criticized McConnell's condemnation of Trump -- and Trump's base may prevail.

The former senior Republican official who would like to see Trump convicted characterized it as an internal war within the party and expressed pessimism that enough senators would rise to the occasion.

"I have learned through sad experience that no one has lost money betting on the seemingly bottomless capacity of congressional R's for self-abasement and cowardice," said the former official.

CNN's Pamela Brown and Manu Raju contributed to this story.
By:
Escapee
When: 22 Jan 21 18:58
do they let him wreck the GOP from within? or do they let him wreck it from the outside?


Tough choice.
By:
Burt06
When: 22 Jan 21 19:00
Escapee is a certifiable looney - the village idiot makes more sense.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 19:01
So much time to heal, so either gives written undertaking not to run or hes
convicted?

Maybe it just goes away by itself, like he said the virus would

Dangerous game to play...
By:
frog1000
When: 22 Jan 21 19:06

Jan 21, 2021 -- 7:33PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I think they do. The numbers are growing on the Dems side if it becomes tribal like I said before otherwise how did Biden win? Is he going to get big business to pay its fair shair of tax? Rein in Chinaa?


how did Biden win?

He is the Whitehouse now because of Covid.Two things:

1. Covid caused mass loss of life and disruption. The media relentlessly blamed Trump for this - notice CNN's death ticker was removed 20th January.

2. Mass postal ballots being used due to Covid in big cities in swing states.

By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 19:13
Frog1000 is Insider Trader who was wiped out backing Trump despite being told on here repeatedly to bail out before it was too late.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 22 Jan 21 19:20
I'm insider trader
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 19:24
At least Tim bailed out in time
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 19:25
Trump lost because he was an idiot, so if he runs again he loses again

3 goes, 4 goes, 5 goes

I would love it
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 19:28
Trump must be unique in being impeached twice, managing to lose not only the Presidency but the House of Representatives and Senate in one term, leaving with the lowest public rating of any President since records began.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 22 Jan 21 19:28
but he won in 2016
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 19:29
And losing the public vote twice

Not to mention all of the leaders debates
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 19:31
That two of Trump's banks have just cancelled his accounts - tells us Trump has FALLEN TOO MUCH BEHIND in paying the INTEREST on his world-record-size personal debt.

Trump is bankrupt. Deutsche Bank is now moving to reposses his assets, starting with Trump Tower and Mar A Lago
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 19:32
Oh, Trump also managed to achieve the second and third lowest percentage share of the Republican vote this millennium.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 22 Jan 21 19:32
that's not correct

truman and nixon were much lower

that stat refers to "lowest rating at end of term" (their low points were before their end of term)
By:
Giuseppe
When: 22 Jan 21 19:34
he won the GOP nimination and the presidential election in 2016

those were two pretty impressive victories
By:
Giuseppe
When: 22 Jan 21 19:35
"this millennium"

lol you mean 20 years?
By:
frog1000
When: 22 Jan 21 19:39
It is likely Trump won the most in person votes in the history of the United States of America.

It is not his fault that Covid led to the introduction of mass mail in voting.

The key to 2024 is what President Biden actually does for the American people.
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 19:40

Jan 22, 2021 -- 7:39PM, frog1000 wrote:


It is likely Trump won the most in person votes in the history of the United States of America.It is not his fault that Covid led to the introduction of mass mail in voting.The key to 2024 is what President Biden actually does for the American people.


Link please?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 20:11
It's like saying bills corner shop takes more cash than amazon
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 22 Jan 21 20:12
It's not bills fault amazon tell their customers to
pay by other means
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 20:13
Laugh
By:
Hank Hill
When: 22 Jan 21 20:29
laughable isn't it - I heard a rumour Trump won more votes with people wearing red hats...
By:
Hank Hill
When: 22 Jan 21 20:33
I'm with you on Haley pp - I think I have missed the decent prices though. She has enough appeal to win back some Ind voters and split ticket Dems - though they seem fewer in more polarized times. She exited strategically very well - was loyal enough without sticking around to go down with the ship. I know it's just bluster from him, but I really hope the new party gets set up-  could you imagine the fun and games that would bring!
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 20:50
Yep, if you rule out Trump and his Trump-ets, she appears to have as good a chance as any but Tobermory not keen on her chances at all.
By:
politicspunter
When: 22 Jan 21 21:11
Let's face it, if Trump were to set up a new party and the Dems, GOP and Trumpets go to post in 2024, prices should be...
Dems 1.01
GOP 100.0
Trumpets 100.0
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Jan 21 14:49
Haley, Trump and Pence seem to be vying for favouritism in the Republican nominee market, one which is likely to be a huge market over the next few years.
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Jan 21 16:22
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.178176964

Does anyone wish to hazard a guess at to how "Any Other" can win this market please and who could possibly be backing it?
By:
dave1357
When: 23 Jan 21 16:34
trump party? whatever he calls it
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 23 Jan 21 16:37
Best market on the exchange, but at them odds over 4 years
I shall enjoy watching at the mo.
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