she will only get it by default

all it takes is for one person to emerge from the pack

Maybe so. I am just confused by Magic__Daps demanding her to be very visible. Is that really in the job description of Vice President?

Are vice presidents meant to be policy setting and highly visible? I wouldn't be able to tell you many great political achievements of vice presidents (during their terms as vice president). Can you?

2024 National Democratic Primary Poll:

Harris 33%
Buttigieg 11%
Ocasio-Cortez 8%
Abrams 6%
Booker 6%
Warren 5%
Klobuchar 2%
Yang 2%
Newsom 2%
O'Rourke 2%
Beshear 1%
Whitmer 1%
Gabbard 1%
Gillibrand 1%
Sinema 0%

@EchelonInsights
~ 514 RV ~ 8/13-8/18

This is the Harris Democratic Primary poll. 19% are undecided. So, of those that have expressed an opinion, roughly 40% pick Harris. It's not a great number, far from it, but there simply isn't any serious challengers.

I should say that the only candidate that threatens Harris in polls is Michelle Obama. She isn't always prompted for and she won't stand anyway.

I think it's difficult situation for Harris. You know how people already said before the election that she would be running the show. Biden was just going to be Harris' puppet all the way. Even quite a few folks on here were on about that.

If she was to get highly involved and visible now, that would undermine Biden, would it not? It would undermine any sitting president if his VP does try to be uncharacteristically visible for a VP, but it would probably especially do so with Biden the way things seem to be in the US (and some overseas actors). People would also accuse her of using her office, to extend her reach way past her job, in order to position herself ahead of the man she is meant to serve under.

So it's tough, right? Especially for a woman in a country like the USA. They don't seem to be cool and advanced like the Brits in such matters. There's definitely be some "Bish needs to know her place" that you wouldn't find in the UK.

As for anonymity not helping her chances either in the next primaries, not arguing that. I don't think Magic__Daps was really worried about that though.

edy22 Aug 21 20:03
What change would it have made if she had visited when the crisis started off months ago


I imagine that after being told she was in charge of the shocking mess at the border, that she should have visited within days to actually show people she was actually doing something about the mess she helped create in the first place. Showing that she was trying to get to grips with the situation, showing some leadership, hands on qualities. You may disagree with that, but if you think by pretty much going into hiding is the thing to do in that situation then that's up to you.

I am also not "demanding" her to be visible either.

Will leave it there.

You may disagree with that, but if you think by pretty much going into hiding is the thing to do in that situation then that's up to you.

I would prefer someone to make policy decisions, if they feel they are necessary, adequate and if that person actually has the legislative or executive power to make decisions, instead of doing PR trips. PR Trips that you called meaningless if done a few months into your perceived crisis, but if done months prior they would have shown leadership and hands on qualities apparently.

If there are a few border crossings into the UK, I wouldn't be particularly wowed by the amazing hands on leadership qualities if Boris gets himself photographed with a really, really tough thinking face as he looks worryingly onto the sea and jokes around with a few fishermen about harpooning the arrivals.

Just like I wasn't wowed by Armin Laschet traveling to the recent flood regions to be really, really hands on.

Be careful what you wish for too. Seeing migrants suffer hands on at the border might cause even an ice block tough law and order person like Harris to melt and open the borders.

Trump is popular

he won in 2016, and would have won in 2020 too, without covid and postal voting

So to lose that popular vote to Hillary Clinton...seriously...to Hillary Clinton of all the lizards in the world....pure disaster in regards to one's own popularity.

edy the popular vote doesn't matter

if it did everyone would just campaign in New York and California

it's like saying the premier league champion is the team with the best goal difference

how does the system favour the GOP?

no, not really, because turnout varies

Trump could be very popular in Texas but turnout is low, so few votes

Biden could be very popular in California, with big turnout, so many votes

people know how likely someone is to win their state and this may impact votes

dominating

I am always willing to learn, even if doing so makes me look a little uneducated maybe even naive or stupid.  I don't mind taking the risk and ask for forumites to give me sane, informed answers to my question.  I have simply never understood American politics and it's structure.  Indeed, I only just realised that Republicans ( who are surely the U.S. equivalent to Tories? ) like the colour red whilst the Democrats ( who are thus the U.S. equivalent to Labour? ) like the colour blue.  That threw me for years and years and years.  Equally, only the other day I was informed that Abe Lincoln was the first ever Republican president.  How can this be when the U.S. was created a republic in 1789?
Any way my question is this.
Why do candidates covet the job and spend multi, multi, multi-millions of dollars to get a job that pays about $400K annually and why do their sponsors and supporters do like-wise?  Where is the net profit to them?
All answers welcomed.  This is a free world after all - isn't it?!

red and blue is a recent thing, wasn't always like that

democrats and republicans didn;t always exist, in the past there were different parties (like the whigs / liberals in UK, they used to be one of the big two, now they are only half the lib dems)

two houses prevent the large states dominating

the lower house (house of represenatives) seats are based on population (so texas gets more than rhode island)

upper house (senate) each state has two seats

without the senate New york etc would be able to decide everything

montana wouldn't have any power

PollTracker
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2022 #FLGov General Election Poll:

Charlie Crist (D) 57% (+14)
Ron DeSantis (R-Inc) 43%

Nikki Fried (D) 54% (+8)
Ron DeSantis (R-Inc) 46%

The Listener Group/
@PoliticalMatrix
~ 1,000 LV ~ 8/14-18

Haven't a clue what to make of this new polling

There is some real eye opening state polling coming out of Florida today. A completely separate company from the post above has Biden leading Trump 50-42, Biden leading DeSantis 49-47 and in a Republican Primary Trump leading DeSantis 43-34. Now, again I haven't got a clue how accurate that is but if Trump is receiving figures like that in Florida, he is definitely busted.

lol high 40s is terrible

It's certainly crushing for Giuseppe