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I mean seriously,wtf.
I mean seriously,wtf.
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Eugenics are alive and kicking. Legislate, sick populations, a higher rate of mortality. Develop virus, market cure, exploit the panic, contaminate by guile and stealth.
Thin the herd, thin the herd. The great cull is coming down. |
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I'm not sure about that,maybe the putting of economy before health possibly,i mean the goverment were literally trying to drag people back to offices and this is just a few weeks before a danger of hospital getting overwhelmed is a possibility.
I found it quite mind boggling that people can't get tested in hot spots while the likes of the bbc were going into every possible permutation of that 6 rule, a diversion. |
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Totally ridiculous and we haven't even entered flu and cold season when 60% of people will get 1-3 infections.
The government have ramped up the fear factor and the scared public want tests due to this. There could never be enough tests to deal with it unless they develop and resuable home test that does not need a PCR machine. This is not going to happen and even if it did would be a complete waste of money. |
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The government is dealing with civil servants who are a law unto themselves.
The British Medical Association is the doctor's trade union. So we can expect most of the information they give out to be politically motivated. And they'll move heaven and earth to show the government up in a bad light. There's your main problems with the NHS. |
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The U.K. Did have enough tests a couple of months ago, although the government could have increased number of tests the main problem is that there were/are too many selfish people who didn't want to follow the loose "Swedish style " restrictions. It isn't a surprise to any of the educated professors that number of infections have increased by a factor of 5+. The only people who seem surprised are the guys who thought wearing a mask was pointless or that going to a party with 30 people was fine. The government have been pretty average in dealing with this pandemic but not helped by having so many selfish people in UK. |
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Oh for the days when you were redirected to a test centre 200 miles away.
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Bang on Dr C,proof of that was yesterday when Sir Patrick Vallance implored the Goverment to lock down a little earlier thus saving countless lives,his advice wasn't listened to.
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Even with 500,000 tests a day it would take 5 months to test everyone. Currently 'capacity' is claimed to be 200,000 a day. Over a year to test the whole population.
60% of people get 1-3 colds a winter. The numbers do not add up unless we do millions of tests a day. |
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They have to prioritise.
The shutting down of Ebbsfleet testing centre to make way for a giant lorry car park is unfortunate timing. |
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hardly surprising there's isn't the capacity to process hundreds of thousands of medical tests per day when in usual times they'd be doing a handful of routine tests for cancer, blood and the like. you can't just magic up scientists
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When the cold and flu season starts there will not be enough tests for everyone with a cough to get tested. It will be chaos if we carry on with the same expectations.
Only if you've learnt nothing in the last nine months and refuse to scale up supply to meet demand. |
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It's like they know about colds enough to have a ready made excuse but not enough to prepare for test and T
trace. Mate who is a teacher has 10 test allocated for kids in his school told to allocate them wisely, and not for staff. |
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Little one's class had 6 kids off as of yesterday. One is confirmed (diagnosed two weeks ago before school started and hasn't been in) but the others have all picked up a cough and are having to stay off. Until they get a test and confirmed negative they are barred from returning to school and so could be missing weeks of education for nothing more than a cold.
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Thought Dido was going to sort this out. Has she been moved off testing to sort out Public Health England? Don't hear much from her now.
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Matt Hancock’s response to every MP bringing up examples of problems with people getting tests in their constituency is to treat it as an isolated incident that he will look into.
He might be better admitting there is a problem with the system as a whole! Justin madders |
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Would it be fair to say that it is possible particulary north of London that covid is actually more prevalent than the official figures?
Above couple of posts even though v small scale would say it could well be. |
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There are a lot of colds around
But these do need testing, or isolation, or both. Testing would answer question. |
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IT,the opening post is the point,top 10 hotspots and unable to get tested,that is crazy and fundamentally wrong.
If it was at all possible to move mobile testing from quiet areas in South to North/Midlands that should have ben implemented. |
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Sure but the system will crack either way.
There were ten times more deaths from FLU and pneumonia in the last week we have data for. We need put Covid into perspective. As the symptoms are so similar to colds and flu we will not be able test everyone in the coming months. My guess is they will get the vulnerable and old to lockdown and tell everyone else to get on with it. |
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Rationing tests will be the only way. Then people who cannot get tested will have to choose between isolating themselves and family without a test or getting back out there.
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^ I am not sure that will work if it gets worse,they can't "get back out there" as the slightest symptom they have to isolate,that can happen again a few days after isolation and so on.
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People will struggle to take time off work just for having symptoms plus their household.
I just cannot see it happening. Will surely be chaos. So few people who get tested actually have it eventually people will just stop caring I reckon. |
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You cannot shut down household every time someone get a cold.
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pp, I know we would like that. But if on an average year 40 million people get a cold at least once. Some of those get 3 or 4 colds a season. How do you test all those people?
You cannot. They will prioritise the vulnerable, those in hospitals and care homes. |
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Covid tests rationed with people on priority list getting first access
Suspected Covid-19 patients with acute medical needs and people in care homes will be prioritised under plans to ration coronavirus tests, Health Secretary Matt Hancock told MPs. NHS leaders have called for health workers and patients to be given priority amid signs the testing system is failing to meet demand. The Health Secretary acknowledged that there were “operational challenges” in the testing system as he was summoned to answer an urgent question on the situation in the Commons. Mr Hancock said an updated prioritisation list would be published setting out who will be at the front of the queue for tests. “We have seen a sharp rise in people coming forward for a test, including those who are not eligible,” Mr Hancock said. “Throughout this pandemic, we have prioritised testing according to need. Over the summer, when demand was low, we were able to meet all requirements for testing, whether priorities or not. “But as demand has risen, so we are having to prioritise once again and I do not shirk from decisions about prioritisation. They are not always comfortable, but they are important.” https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-tests-rationed-people-priority-18937483 ^ So that is the end of the world class test and trace system from Hancock and the first sign of trouble at the end of summer and kids go back to school |
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But we're not prioritising the vulnerable, we're just running out. And again, if you want to protect the vulnerable then you stop the virus getting out of control. And you do that by speedy intervention into the still relatively small number of people showing symptoms.
This isn't an argument about strategy, it's about incompetence. |
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Hancock can only answer in future and conditional tenses.
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PP, track and trace falls apart unless everyone with 'symptoms' can best tested. If they are not tested then contact who may not have symptoms will not be traced and thus could spread it.
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Indeed. We've only had months to prepare yet this shambles still can't manage it.
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IT 4.23, i think you have a fair point there,however it is the lies and empty promises that are bandied about which is patronising at best.
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Track and Trace doesn't "fall apart " if less than 100% with symptoms get tested but it does become less effective. Clearly if 99% can get tested quickly then it is still a good system, 90% would be better than 10% etc. It isn't an all or nothing approach. At the moment the increase in cases due in a large part from too many people not following fairly relaxed rules has put the system under stress. Ideally will need to get bact to being able to request a test and get results inside 3 days, then let everyone we have met to isolate . Ideally these 2nd contacts would also be able to get a test but we war miles away from this. Infections will increase if infected people meet other people without immunity. |
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Yep. The idea a simple test will exist by Christmas so we can check people are safe to come into our houses is fantasy surely. Unless they can develop a handheld saliva test that works at home. I remember my wife's cardiologist was astonished I used a rock sample test to check my wife's potassium levels from saliva and it was accurate enough to stop her going for daily blood tests. But is the tech there for virus that use a PCR test.. no would be my guess.
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What happened to this...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/roll-out-of-2-new-rapid-coronavirus-tests-ahead-of-winter Roll-out of 2 new rapid coronavirus tests ahead of winter Does it work. If it does why not have it everywhere? Millions of ground-breaking rapid coronavirus tests will be rolled out to hospitals, care homes and labs across the UK to increase testing capacity ahead of winter. The tests will enable clinicians and NHS Test and Trace to quickly advise on the best course of action to stop the spread of the virus. Two new tests – both able to detect the virus in just 90 minutes – will be made available to NHS hospitals, care homes and labs. The 2 tests will be able to detect both COVID-19 and other winter viruses such as flu and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). The tests do not require a trained health professional to operate them, meaning they can be rolled out in more non-clinical settings. This will help to further strengthen the coronavirus response this winter, arming both clinicians and NHS Test and Trace with the ability to distinguish between COVID-19 cases, which have specific self-isolation requirements, and other winter viruses. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said: We’re using the most innovative technologies available to tackle coronavirus. Millions of new rapid coronavirus tests will provide on-the-spot results in under 90 minutes, helping us to break chains of transmission quickly. The fact these tests can detect flu as well as COVID-19 will be hugely beneficial as we head into winter, so patients can follow the right advice to protect themselves and others. I am hugely grateful for the excellent work done by DnaNudge and Oxford Nanopore to push forward these life-saving innovations in coronavirus testing. A new test that uses DNA to detect the virus will be rolled out across NHS hospitals from September, with 5,000 DNA machines, supplied by DnaNudge, to provide 5.8 million tests in the coming months. Separately, 450,000 90-minute LamPORE swab tests will also be available across adult care setting and laboratories from next week, supplied by Oxford Nanopore. |
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Tunes have apparently been given a huge contract by the government to develop a new lozenger that will cover all the very worst hacks.A spokesman has said no one will go without, this government will do the right thing at the right time to ensure it's citizens will be fully protected for the winter.
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Yep that quick test does sound in the little bit too good to be true category.
Supposed to be trials in Salford this or next month. See how that goes- I'm not 100% convinced will be large Christmas parties this year. |