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By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 12:39

Aug 13, 2020 -- 12:08PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:


Some very good analysis here, although naturally I'm partial; enjoy:https://betting.betfair.com/politics/us-politics/us-election-kamala-harris-is-a-risk-that-could-backfire-on-biden-130820-171.html


the first point is somewhat fair that Kamala attacks on Biden will be amplified.

However, the rest of this seems to just suggest that Trump campaign will be bitter and horrible and gutter regardless and that whichever woman was chosen would get the same treatment really.

I don't believe they could have targeted Susan Rice, Val Demings, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar or Gretchen Whitmer as easily.

The 2 bolded in particular are pretty laughable given we have a lot more knowledge on the pair. Warren would get slaughtered even more, after all Trump spent ages attacking her.

Kamala is probably something of a defensive pick given that Trump wants to run on law and order. That said, they will still say Dems are soft on crime and Kamala is a horrible woman who contributed to the awful criminal justice system by locking up loads of non-violent offenders too Grin

By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 12:41

Aug 12, 2020 -- 9:28PM, Jack Bauer '24' wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z613_M5gxEBiden v Bernie debate in full.


Biden was perfectly acceptable from a competence standpoint in this debate from what I recall, very few gaffes.

however, dismissing the concerns of Bernie and his supporters did make me seethe Cry

By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:10
https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1293980540333436929?s=19

Not being Trump accounting for a lot of the Biden vote here
By:
convict99
When: 13 Aug 20 21:22
another deluded biden fanboy whos going to lose his money
By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:23

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:10PM, aaronh wrote:


https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1293980540333436929?s=19Not being Trump accounting for a lot of the Biden vote here


Any incumbent is going to have a fair bit of the race being about him but the polarisation in US politics to begin with and on top of that the additional polarising effect of Trump makes this so much more about whether you like Trump than what you think of Biden.  Problem for Trump is that a significant majority of the population at least dislikes him and most of those dislike him strongly.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:25

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:22PM, convict99 wrote:


another deluded biden fanboy whos going to lose his money


You're really selling dispassionate, thoughtful analyst of the US general election here, aren't you? I just wonder whether you might get your point across better if you were slightly more adversarial though, less equivocal.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:28
I did like the irony of replying to someone who doesn't much like Biden, posting evidence that it's not really about Biden, being described as a Biden fanboy though.  Newsflash, Biden really doesn't have many fanboys.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:28

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:23PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Aug 13, 2020 --  9:10PM, aaronh wrote:https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1293980540333436929?s=19Not being Trump accounting for a lot of the Biden vote hereAny incumbent is going to have a fair bit of the race being about him but the polarisation in US politics to begin with and on top of that the additional polarising effect of Trump makes this so much more about whether you like Trump than what you think of Biden.  Problem for Trump is that a significant majority of the population at least dislikes him and most of those dislike him strongly.


Would be interested to see how 2012 Not Obama polled in the same survey..

By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:31

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:28PM, Fatslogger wrote:


I did like the irony of replying to someone who doesn't much like Biden, posting evidence that it's not really about Biden, being described as a Biden fanboy though.

By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:34
If you dont think Trump is the greatest POTUS ever and will win easily despite the FAKE POLLS, you are a Trump fanboy.

Thats how it works on here. Likewise all the moderates and centrists who supported remain or dislike Boris or Trump are all far left
By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:38

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:28PM, aaronh wrote:


Aug 13, 2020 --  9:23PM, Fatslogger wrote:Aug 13, 2020 --  9:10PM, aaronh wrote:https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1293980540333436929?s=19Not being Trump accounting for a lot of the Biden vote hereAny incumbent is going to have a fair bit of the race being about him but the polarisation in US politics to begin with and on top of that the additional polarising effect of Trump makes this so much more about whether you like Trump than what you think of Biden.  Problem for Trump is that a significant majority of the population at least dislikes him and most of those dislike him strongly.Would be interested to see how 2012 Not Obama polled in the same survey..


Me too.  Obama, reasonable bloke though he was, was very polarising too, obviously for different reasons.

The other thing I think is interesting is how low the I vote for my party and against the other was on this, because that's increasingly what Americans actually do.

By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 21:39

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:22PM, convict99 wrote:


another deluded biden fanboy whos going to lose his money


Watch that doesn't come back to haunt youLaugh

By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:46

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:34PM, aaronh wrote:


If you dont think Trump is the greatest POTUS ever and will win easily despite the FAKE POLLS, you are a Trump fanboy.Thats how it works on here. Likewise all the moderates and centrists who supported remain or dislike Boris or Trump are all far left


It is by turns amusing and a bit wearing.  It is striking how unanalytical many of the folk on here are though.

Anyway, it's a nice antidote to my Twitter, which does have a few really quite far left follows and very few reactionaries. It doesn't go much further right than a few "I voted remain but" voices.

By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 21:46
The simple fact is that the Trump vote is very strong and enthusiastic but there is not enough of them. He needs to somehow persuade Biden supporters who hate Trump to somehow change their vote. Right now Trump is only appealing to his narrow white solid, mostly male vote, which isn't going to be enough to win.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:49
Any thoughts on if the Kanye sort of entry means anything?

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1294008862878707712?s=19

These numbers aren't surprising even though seemingly the conventional wisdom was Kanye is there as a spoiler for Biden - presumably on the basis he is black. Because otherwise his few statements made suggest he was appealing to a socially conservative base, one that was shrinking in the Dem voter pool I'd have thought.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:49

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:46PM, politicspunter wrote:


The simple fact is that the Trump vote is very strong and enthusiastic but there is not enough of them. He needs to somehow persuade Biden supporters who hate Trump to somehow change their vote. Right now Trump is only appealing to his narrow white solid, mostly male vote, which isn't going to be enough to win.


Don't forget the silent majority Cool

By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 21:54

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:49PM, aaronh wrote:


Any thoughts on if the Kanye sort of entry means anything?https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1294008862878707712?s=19These numbers aren't surprising even though seemingly the conventional wisdom was Kanye is there as a spoiler for Biden - presumably on the basis he is black. Because otherwise his few statements made suggest he was appealing to a socially conservative base, one that was shrinking in the Dem voter pool I'd have thought.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_2020_presidential_campaign

Anyones guess how many Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck signatures he can register as supporters on his state applicationsGrin

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 13 Aug 20 21:55
Surely trump nails the 28% of usa citizens that are anti covid vaccine.

He really doesn't have to find many more if he can get that wedge out

Problem seems to be many of them are boycotting the election,
By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 20 21:55

Aug 13, 2020 -- 9:46PM, politicspunter wrote:


The simple fact is that the Trump vote is very strong and enthusiastic but there is not enough of them. He needs to somehow persuade Biden supporters who hate Trump to somehow change their vote. Right now Trump is only appealing to his narrow white solid, mostly male vote, which isn't going to be enough to win.


Is my view too.  I like the 538 approach of recognising that there's a long way to go, where some of the uncertainties are and its attempt to quantify them but I keep returning to a point they also make about how entrenched the polarisation is and how stable Trump's (dis)approval ratings have been.  Sure, he could squeak it with a recovering economy, a swing his way, some voter suppression and his electoral college advantage even losing the popular vote (again) but that feels a fair way out on the probability spectrum.

By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 21:57
There is polling on people who worried about COVID and those that aren't.

Its a landslide in both directions as you'd expect.

The much smaller base of not worried also probably contains far fewer who didn't vote Trump last time compared to the bigger worried group with regards to 2016 Trump voters
By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 22:06
This is an idea of how tough Trumps task is. Minnesota is possibly his main target state which obviously if he were to win it makes Bidens job much harder. Minnesota approval ratings for Trump...

Approve 39%
Disapprove 58%

Trump is behind with every age bracket, gender and race group.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Aug 20 22:08
Was Trump a better performer with 50-65 previously than 65+ or has that become a new development this time round? (In general)
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 13 Aug 20 22:09
The anti maskers are already in his basket of deplorables. The country is polarised. The swing states will decide it as usual.... or perhaps the Courts...or the US Postal ServiceWink

There is plenty of time to go badly wrong for Chump and the Republicans but in no way is it over.

Can't see The Army coming out in tanks on the streets for him!.....yet!
By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 22:18

Aug 13, 2020 -- 10:08PM, aaronh wrote:


Was Trump a better performer with 50-65 previously than 65+ or has that become a new development this time round? (In general)


The figures I ave is that in the 2016 election the age bracket 50-64 years voted 53-44 for Trump. Now national polling has it 50-47 Biden.

By:
politicspunter
When: 13 Aug 20 22:19
For 2016 65 years and older it was 53-45 Trump. Current polling has it 49-49.
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 13 Aug 20 23:35
I like the 538 approach of recognising that there's a long way to go, where some of the uncertainties are and its attempt to quantify them but I keep returning to a point they also make about how entrenched the polarisation is and how stable Trump's (dis)approval ratings have been.  Sure, he could squeak it with a recovering economy, a swing his way, some voter suppression and his electoral college advantage even losing the popular vote (again) but that feels a fair way out on the probability spectrum.

Agree with this, as it's pretty much hit the nail on the head. Another way of putting it is - if the stars align he could win this election. The 538 approach will firm up Biden's chances over time, but I like how they factor in uncertainty with the 80 days to go.
By:
darren_discombobulates_sports
When: 13 Aug 20 23:43
Next president: Male, and Biden Popular vote winner both free money.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 20 11:06
Is Cohen trying to get himself back in prison or is he going to turn States Evidence?

Chump needs to win in November, December or January to stay out of jail imho. NY prosecutors know they have to wait!
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Aug 20 11:15

Aug 13, 2020 -- 11:43PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:


Next president: Male, and Biden Popular vote winner both free money.


I wouldn't want to stake my entire fortune on the next President being male at 1.02. It's just possible, although unlikely, that some issue affects Biden, he is unable to stand in the election and Kamala Harris takes over.

By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 14 Aug 20 12:58
This notion that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime is not actually law. It's just a tradition followed by the DOJ and they have no authority over state law anyway. If Trump is re-elected and statute of limitation issues become a concern, NY State may decide to proceed with a criminal prosecution if they have the evidence, in my uninformed view.
By:
n88uk
When: 14 Aug 20 13:05
Trump seems to realise he's going to lose the election himself, that's why his whole game plan has moved on to stifling the postal vote and crying foul over it after the election.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 20 22:26

Aug 14, 2020 -- 11:15AM, politicspunter wrote:


Aug 13, 2020 -- 11:43PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:Next president: Male, and Biden Popular vote winner both free money.I wouldn't want to stake my entire fortune on the next President being male at 1.02. It's just possible, although unlikely, that some issue affects Biden, he is unable to stand in the election and Kamala Harris takes over.


I’ve taken £15k of it now and the rest is also gone but short odds bettors could have taken loads on Biden as Dem Nom at 1.02 over the last couple of days. I nominated it somewhere as absurd value.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 20 22:27
Doesn’t even tie your cash up and make you anxious about Biden’s health for long, as the convention closes on the 20th.
By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 14 Aug 20 22:31
The roll call is scheduled for Tuesday so it should be settled after that.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 10:56
If anyone is interested in stonewall short odds winners, there are multiple state betting markets available on the exchange where there is only one possible winner.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 11:03
That isn't my cup of tea but I think that with the election being less than three months away, every 1.01 winner equates to just over 4% tax free, every 1.02 winner equates to 8% etc. There are some at higher prices.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 11:05
Compared to an annual tax free rate on any savings account I suppose it's worth a look.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 15 Aug 20 13:35
Those are higher risk than the ridiculous Biden nominee position I topped up on yesterday as more time for them to be affected by black swan events but it is Dem v Rep so only real risk is if either candidate can’t fight the GE and presumably then the VP nominee can step in anyway so for example, the Dems can’t really fail to win California at 1.02 / 1.03. Would need to check the rules though.

I do quite a lot of short odds political betting on near certainties but months out it does tie cash up for an irritatingly long time.  Mind you, I’ll have the £55k or so I’ve got tied up in nominee markets available again soon.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 14:15
Hi fats, or should I say PP? Laugh

Here is a list of what I consider to be certain wins, most certain first...

Republican- Wyoming, West Virginia,Idaho, Oklahoma, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alabama.

Democrat- Vermont, Hawaii, California, Massachusetts, Maryland, New York, Washington, Rhode Island, Delaware, Illinois.
By:
tobermory
When: 17 Aug 20 02:22
2.44 now, but still value I think.

A poll at the weekend gives Biden the usual 8 point lead, but, asked if they 'strongly support' him only 46% of his intended voters said yes (66% for Trump support).

I'd assumed Biden's numbers were soft because he is such a vapid candidate in ideological terms, but that is worse than I expected.

When your support is so shallow the size of the lead is less significant, as it can evaporate very abruptly.

No doubt there are people who 'strongly support' voting Trump out, and will vote for Biden, but there are going to be 10% of voters who are not so partisan and they will be in play for Trump to close the gap.
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