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By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 12:21
can't
By:
GAZO
When: 05 Sep 20 12:23
everything has become too big to fail thats why we dont have a free market
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Sep 20 12:26
the problem is deposit guarantee funds, which is why retail banking and investment banking should be split.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 12:27
From the bbc...

Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning

President Donald Trump has refused to condemn Russia over the poisoning of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, saying he had not seen proof.

He said the case was "tragic" but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.

Nato and Germany say there is "proof beyond doubt" that Mr Navalny was attacked with a Novichok nerve agent.

His team says he was poisoned on the Kremlin's orders. Russia denies this.

Mr Navalny - an anti-corruption campaigner who has long been the most prominent face of opposition to President Vladimir Putin in Russia - is in a coma in a Berlin hospital having been airlifted there from Siberia, where he fell ill.

What did Trump say?
Speaking at a press event on Friday, he said he had yet to see evidence of poisoning in the case.

"So I don't know exactly what happened. I think it's tragic, it's terrible, it shouldn't happen. We haven't had any proof yet but I will take a look," he said.

He also stopped short of criticising Mr Putin and said Beijing posed a greater threat.

"It is interesting that everybody's always mentioning Russia and I don't mind you mentioning Russia but I think probably China at this point is a nation that you should be talking about much more so," he said.
By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 12:30
It's no wonder Biden wears a mask all the time
He's scared to death of contracting Chinese Flu
Just imagine if he lost his sense of smell!
His sniffing days would be over
By:
cooperman
When: 05 Sep 20 12:43
Anybody found that plane of thugs yet? -Biden

"It's mortifying, it's embarrassing and it's dangerous," Biden said. In a Fox News interview late on Monday (Aug. 31), Trump said an investigation was under way into alleged “thugs” who boarded a plane seeking to cause damage last week during the Republican Party convention, without providing details or evidence. Asked for details by Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Trump said: "I'll tell you sometime, but it's under investigation right now." On Tuesday, Trump told reporters that it was something told to him by an individual on the flight. Trump would not identify the person. Asked to comment, White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews did not address Trump's specific assertions but said he was referring to an investigation into possible financial backers of "organized riots." The president, seeking re-election on a promise to restore "law and order," told Fox News the plane was "completely loaded with thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms with gear and this and that," adding, "Here were like seven people on the plane like this person and then a lot of people were on the plane to do big damage." CrazyCrazyCrazy
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Sep 20 13:08
Bigly damage?
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Sep 20 14:59
3000 veterans dead of trump's covid - that's all that needs to be said.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 15:04
Yep, and 88 dead also in folks currently serving.
By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 15:09
All dead from Chinese flu
The commie shills are alive and well on this forum
Imagine supporting China over USA
It's abhorrent
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 05 Sep 20 15:37
Highest number of Trump virus cases for 3 weeks yesterday Shocked
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 15:46
Yep, the Trump virus now at 192K+ dead and 2.5 million+ active cases with deaths going up 1000 a day.
By:
Charlie
When: 05 Sep 20 15:49
I have no idea why anybody of sane mind would support Trump. But then again there's probably not anyone of sane mind on here who is supporting him.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 18:50
Four sources told the magazine he had rejected the idea of visiting because the rain would dishevel his hair, and he did not believe it important to honour America's war dead.


During the same trip, the president also allegedly referred to 1,800 US soldiers who died at Belleau Wood as "suckers". The battle helped to prevent a German advance on Paris during World War One and is venerated by the US Marine Corps.

The Atlantic's reporting was based on anonymous sources but a "senior Defense Department official with first-hand knowledge of events" and a "senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump's comments" confirmed the cemetery comments to AP.
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Sep 20 19:09
There are too many Americans who realise trump is a incompetent bungler who places US servicemen at risk and though they have kept quiet for most of the presidency, they will be speaking out as the election approaches.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:16

Sep 5, 2020 -- 11:21AM, jucel69 wrote:


Biden is an empty vessel, he hasn't got a clue where he is, never mind make serious policy decisions.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:17
Evidence of Biden going on TV talking about defunding the police?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:18

Sep 5, 2020 -- 12:02PM, jucel69 wrote:


The support for Trump from Blacks and Latinos is absolutely skyrocketing!!LANDSLIDE INCOMING


Evidence?

By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 19:19

Sep 5, 2020 -- 7:16PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Sep  5, 2020 -- 11:21AM, jucel69 wrote:Biden is an empty vessel, he hasn't got a clue where he is, never mind make serious policy decisions.


Well, he is way ahead of Trump in the polls. What does that say about Trump?

By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 19:33

Sep 5, 2020 -- 7:17PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Evidence of Biden going on TV talking about defunding the police?


Same interview he called the police "the enemy"

By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 19:34

Sep 5, 2020 -- 7:18PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Sep  5, 2020 -- 12:02PM, jucel69 wrote:The support for Trump from Blacks and Latinos is absolutely skyrocketing!!LANDSLIDE INCOMINGEvidence?


All over twitter
Step away from the despicable msm and grasp a bit of reality

By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:38
So not off a teleprompter at all. You think he’s using a teleprompter in an interview?

Seen it, debunked it, at length. You understand conditionals, right? When he talks about the police being the enemy, it’s in the context of them coming into communities in military vehicles. He’s pointing out, correctly, that’s the wrong way to do policing. The redirection thing (not the same as defunding at all) is in the same context. It’s the same interview he repeatedly says that he doesn’t want to defund the police when he’s pressed, by a guy who supports defunding the police and expressed his disappointment both at the time and afterwards that Biden doesn’t agree. That interview?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:41
All over Twitter?

WTAF, man? WTAF?

Twitter polls? Twitter right wing bots? Twitter amplification?

I use Twitter and it’s good for some things but it’s an obviously terrible way of gauging support for politicians. If I believed what I heard on Twitter, Corbyn won in 2017 and was winning in 2019, for one example. I sort of get not trusting the polls or MSM (I don’t agree but there’s a case by case debate to be had) but then have the courage of your convictions and say that you can’t be confident of anything.
By:
edy
When: 05 Sep 20 19:46
Back in the real world on twitter...!
By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 19:47
Redirection and defunding is just semantics

He shouldn't be calling the police the enemy under any circumstance,  even if they are in an armoured humvee

Trump gave them all that army gear to help defensively, not offensively
When you see the scumball street urchins causing mayhem, it is vindicated
By:
jucel69
When: 05 Sep 20 19:50

Sep 5, 2020 -- 7:41PM, Fatslogger wrote:


All over Twitter?WTAF, man? WTAF? Twitter polls? Twitter right wing bots? Twitter amplification? I use Twitter and it’s good for some things but it’s an obviously terrible way of gauging support for politicians. If I believed what I heard on Twitter, Corbyn won in 2017 and was winning in 2019, for one example. I sort of get not trusting the polls or MSM (I don’t agree but there’s a case by case debate to be had) but then have the courage of your convictions and say that you can’t be confident of anything.


Not twitter polls, latino and black groups on fb and twitter that are at grassroot levels and can feel the momentum building

By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 19:58
Probably astroturfing. Twitter is v good for that. I mean obviously there are a lot of black and Latino Trump voters in total but proportionately they’re small. Anyway, I asked for evidence that the numbers are building. That’s not really even grade C evidence.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 20:00
Lol, who thinks Trump is doing well with Latino and blacks?Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 20:02
Trump approval/disapproval

Hispanic/Latino 23%/74%

Black 5%/93%
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 20:03
That's from a top national polling company that have been conducting polls daily for more than six months.
By:
Charlie
When: 05 Sep 20 20:07
So on the one hand we have the big bad MSM who are not to be trusted but on the other we have social media who are. Do you have to take a polygraph before you post on fb and twatter? Thank god that there aren't fake accounts on them.
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Sep 20 20:09
latino and black groups on fb and twitter

who keep accidentally posting in cyrillic
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Sep 20 20:10
`...Blacks/African Americans 77% to 19%, and Hispanic voters break for Biden 60% to 37%...`

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/august-2020-presidential-race-tightens-after-party-conventions
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 20:11

Sep 5, 2020 -- 8:09PM, dave1357 wrote:


latino and black groups on fb and twitterwho keep accidentally posting in cyrillic


Laugh

By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Sep 20 20:13
President Trump's support among black voters rose 9 percentage points amid the Republican National Convention, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

Twenty-four percent of registered black voters in the Aug. 22-25 survey, which included the first two days of the convention, said they approve of the job Trump is doing as president, while 76 percent said they disapprove.
That is up 9 points from the previous survey conducted Aug. 8-11, where the President received 15 percent support among this group.
The survey found support among Hispanic voters also grew by 2 percentage points, from 30 percent in the last poll to 32 percent in this most recent survey.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/514174-poll-trump-approval-rises-among-black-hispanic-voters
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Sep 20 20:19
National approval ratings tracker for Trump...

Approve 43.5%
Disapprove 52.3%

Mirroring the track of folks voting intentions. Trump is consistently behind with every group except lower educated white males.
By:
Charlie
When: 05 Sep 20 20:19
76% disapproval. Fantastic.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 20:21

Sep 5, 2020 -- 7:47PM, jucel69 wrote:


Redirection and defunding is just semanticsHe shouldn't be calling the police the enemy under any circumstance,

By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 20:22
Oh FFFSS!  That was loads of work!
By:
Fatslogger
When: 05 Sep 20 20:29
Biden is repeatedly quoted as saying he wants to increase police funding (unlike Trump, who has budget plans to reduce it) and that he will not defund.

This is the interview with Barkan. It’s not full - some minor editing, see below.

https://uncovered.beaherofund.com/

This is what was done to fake that Biden is in favour of defunding the police.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/31/steve-scalise/house-republicans-video-manipulates-activists-comp/

Note that Barkan wants to defund and Biden doesn’t and is quoted as saying he doesn’t. I mean, this could have been faked but not easily and this version is agreed by Barkan. But then the debates, all interviews and speeches could be faked. That’s possible but just not plausible. Particularly if you also think that Twitter is reliable.



If you think that it’s a good idea to police in armoured vehicles rather than through community engagement, we can agree to disagree.
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