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By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 19:53

Sep 2, 2020 -- 7:25PM, Charlie wrote:


I have never ever met anyone nailing his colours to the mast on such a dubious stance.


Still, same guy thinks he’s devastatingly repudiated the claim that he’s a liar by posting an extended gloat about how he dishonestly posted just a subset of his bets when he was asked to post his bets, thereby giving a false impression of his position on the market. Clearly this, like the time he apparently had no idea which YouTube video he’d posted up, was the fault of the people who hadn’t been dishonest, rather than the person who had.

By:
cryoftruth
When: 02 Sep 20 19:58
Charlie

Try not let the intellectually disadvantaged upset your sublimity.

My well meant advice is to make your sound points about the evil that is Trump and leave the damp trumpers to clean their own sadly soiled underwear.
By:
politicspunter
When: 02 Sep 20 20:01

Sep 2, 2020 -- 7:53PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Sep  2, 2020 --  7:25PM, Charlie wrote:I have never ever met anyone nailing his colours to the mast on such a dubious stance.Still, same guy thinks he’s devastatingly repudiated the claim that he’s a liar by posting an extended gloat about how he dishonestly posted just a subset of his bets when he was asked to post his bets, thereby giving a false impression of his position on the market. Clearly this, like the time he apparently had no idea which YouTube video he’d posted up, was the fault of the people who hadn’t been dishonest, rather than the person who had.


You mean he lost more than the roughly £2.5K which his posted bets prove ? I wonder how much he laid Biden for? Funny he never mentioned thatLaugh

By:
politicspunter
When: 02 Sep 20 20:02
Come to think of it, if he has laid Biden for a lot, the £2.5K that he has lost so far could be a drop in the ocean.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 20:18

Sep 2, 2020 -- 8:02PM, politicspunter wrote:


Come to think of it, if he has laid Biden for a lot, the £2.5K that he has lost so far could be a drop in the ocean.


I think he probably did win on the market overall. Even tim wouldn’t take this much of a stand if he couldn’t back it up at this point. The funny thing though, is that if that’s correct, he thinks he’s proven how honest he is by posting his lying reply to you asking how much he had on the Dem Nom market, answering £10k, when it wasn’t that at all and his at best highly dishonest response to being asked to post his bets, posting just the backs that added up to the £2.5k loss. He then further proved his honesty by not replying to my post adding the numbers up, reinforcing the impression that he’d lost. Funnily enough, I did suggest the possibility that he’d only posted some of his bets up to make things look better for him but didn’t follow through on the thought once it turned out that the bets he had posted showed a big loss!

It’s a bit like going around for weeks claiming that you’re thousands in debt and then getting really shirty with people who talk about you being broke and posting screenshots of how your savings accounts add up to much more than you owe on your unsecured loan  Mate, you’re the one who misled people.

By:
politicspunter
When: 02 Sep 20 20:38
You just wonder why he hasn't posted his lay bets on Biden.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 02 Sep 20 20:59
The Don said `go home, black woman`? Wow! Link please?

In return, I`ll give you a link to joe saying; `we already have a n...... mayor, we don`t need any more n..... big-shots!`

Yes, it`s that word`!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPUFwmZN9eo
By:
dave1357
When: 02 Sep 20 21:06
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/514816-deficit-to-reach-record-33-trillion-cbo

haha the bumbling lying trump said he was going to eliminate the deficit.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 02 Sep 20 21:08
`...dishonestly posted just a subset of his bets...`

So you didn`t see the word `backs` in my post? Here, have another look, I`ll highlight the relevant word;

timbuctooth 09 Aug 20 20:58 
`...but if you really want to know, £10,082 of backs in dem nom market
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 21:17
Yes, in response to being asked to post your bets, not some of your bets. That you left a small clue that you were lying isn’t exactly an excuse. As I say, a dishonest subset, just after a lying answer to how much you had on the market. The hilarious thing is that you’ve carefully posted up chapter and verse showing how dishonest you are, in a gloating post about how you’re proving that you’re not a liar.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 02 Sep 20 21:44
I`ve put you right about this enough times, I`ll leave you to further bore the forum on this subject.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 21:52

Sep 2, 2020 -- 9:44PM, timbuctooth wrote:


I`ve put you right about this enough times, I`ll leave you to further bore the forum on this subject.


Lol. That’s not very difficult to decode as you’ve run out of counter arguments and are going to run off.

By:
politicspunter
When: 02 Sep 20 21:54
Tim the betting forum liar doesn't know when to stop lying. There is another of his posts on the Kenosha thread now where he said if he was caught lying in his posts he would leave the forum. He has been caught lying many times, but he is still here. He lied about that alsoSad
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 22:00

Sep 2, 2020 -- 9:54PM, politicspunter wrote:


Tim the betting forum liar doesn't know when to stop lying. There is another of his posts on the Kenosha thread now where he said if he was caught lying in his posts he would leave the forum. He has been caught lying many times, but he is still here. He lied about that also


Deranged liars gonna tell deranged lies. I slightly feel for tim on this because he was obviously so very happy with his self owning gotcha until it unravelled. If I were a bit more charitable and he hadn’t lied twice about his position in that market to you, not just once, I might even think it was an accident. But the real killer is where he said he had £10k up. That just so obviously isn’t true, if his story about having hundreds of thousands of pounds in lays is. And that makes it a 1.01 shot that the posting just of the backs was also calculated deception. Not very well calculated but still.

By:
timbuctooth
When: 02 Sep 20 22:15
Maybe one last rejoinder..

PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE IS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST, PROVING EVERYTHING I CLAIMED
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Sep 20 22:28

Sep 2, 2020 -- 10:15PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Maybe one last rejoinder..PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE IS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST, PROVING EVERYTHING I CLAIMED


I’ve already said that on the whole I now believe that you won on the market. It wouldn’t prove that you weren’t a liar though, because you’ve carefully highlighted the posts you lied to PP in.

By:
timbuctooth
When: 02 Sep 20 23:16
Pleased to see you accept I won, but I can`t let the `lies` bit go uncorrected, so you`ve dragged me back in!

If you read the posts, early on  pp asks me how much I`ve `bet on The Don`? Then he uses the phrase `bet on` again, referring to backs, never a mention of lays. As an indie for 30-odd years, I`ve only ever known `who`ve you bet on?` to mean `who`ve you backed`, never `who`ve you laid`, that would just be incorrect terminology. Therefore, there`s zero lying involved in posting who I`ve `bet on`, particularly so as I confirmed it was my `backs` in the relevant post.

Seeing as we were only discussing `backs`, (except where I specified some lays), I`ve no idea why pp forgot about the lay side of things, but it`s clearly not my fault and, given the full context, there`s not even any `circumstantial` to back up any thoughts that I might have lied. Or even tried to cleverly deceive.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 03 Sep 20 01:08
You’re referring to a totally different conversation about a different market in your first paragraph. Struggling to see how that’s at all relevant.

You were asked how much you had on the Dem Nom market and said you had 10k of backs. That’s clearly not a comprehensive or accurate answer to the question, is it? Okay, it’s possible that this was a misunderstanding and you did qualify that it was backs. Then you were asked to post your bets and you just posted the backs, which was even more misleading.

If your argument is that you were just being stupid in not answering the questions you were actually asked then you know what, I buy that as possible. I was already reflecting that it wasn’t obvious what you were gaining out of deliberately lying. I don’t think it makes sense that you were setting up a complicated trap, that’s just too conspiracist. Which brings me to the fact that everything else you said is totally undermined by any confusion being your fault, especially as you never corrected your own errors. If you then throw baseless accusations around of people lying about you because you posted the wrong info, then that’s on you too, isn’t it? Much like the google sends the wrong videos to lefties incident. You can hardly then be surprised that people don’t exactly give you a charitable hearing and jump on any chance to point out that you lied.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 03 Sep 20 01:46
Well, we`re getting there, which is good, but no innocent man accepts even partial blame. All the talk was of `betting on`, ie. backing, as it`s been known since always. I complied, posting my backs, clearly labelled as `my backs`. Zero room for any misunderstanding, no deceit, but pp got it wrong. I understand you and he are generally `against` me, so I do appreciate your confirmation of 95%, but that 5% niggles at a pure soul!
By:
timbuctooth
When: 03 Sep 20 02:37
Put antifa.com into your address bar, and where do you think it`ll bring you? To antifa? No, it brings you directly to joebiden.com! Imagine if kkk.com brought you directly to TheDon.com!

Another sanctimonious hypocritical dem, Mr. I-don`t-take-cocaine-or-steroids cuomo jnr, in a spot of sexual harassment trouble, it seems
By:
timbuctooth
When: 03 Sep 20 02:47
Defund the police? Chickenfeed! The Don`s looking to defund NYC, DC, Portland, Seattle and other `anarchist jurisdictions`

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/trump-orders-review-to-defund-nyc-other-anarchist-cities/

Great stuff!
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 03 Sep 20 05:04

Sep 3, 2020 -- 2:37AM, timbuctooth wrote:


Put antifa.com into your address bar, and where do you think it`ll bring you? To antifa? No, it brings you directly to joebiden.com! Imagine if kkk.com brought you directly to TheDon.com! Another sanctimonious hypocritical dem, Mr. I-don`t-take-cocaine-or-steroids cuomo jnr, in a spot of sexual harassment trouble, it seems


Biases aside, it's sad to see that that is actually true.

By:
cooperman
When: 03 Sep 20 07:18
Fox News aired the second part of President Donald Trump’s lengthy interview with Laura Ingraham on Tuesday and it was nearly as wild as the first one.

On Monday, Trump claimed “shadow” people were controlling former Vice President Joe Biden. He said the city of Portland, Oregon had been burning for decades (untrue). And he made unsubstantiated claims about airplanes “completely loaded with thugs” wearing dark uniforms and flying to disrupt the Republican National Convention.

In the sequel chat, Trump continued his attacks on Biden, but with a twist. In the past, he has repeatedly ― and without evidence ― claimed that Biden was “mentally shot.” Now, however, Trump claims Biden has a souped-up brain from some kind of drug.

And he wants drug tests before the debates as a result:

Trump made similar allegations about former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in 2016 and demanded drug tests then, as well.

No drug tests were performed.

During the interview, Trump insisted he won the 2016 popular vote ― which he lost by nearly 3 million ballots ― because he should’ve received the votes of the libertarian candidate. He also made unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud in California and New York:

Although Trump once ordered a panel to investigate his frequent voter fraud claims, the group disbanded quietly without substantiating his allegations.

At another point in the interview, Trump said Democratic governors controlled football and traffic signals. But he stopped mid-sentence to turn to the camera and address someone – exactly who, it was unclear ― and say he wants college football:

As a bonus, Trump ― who The Washington Post estimated last month had played golf on at least 237 separate occasions as president ― said he didn’t have time for games:

Trump frequently criticized former President Barack Obama for playing golf but has himself now played the game at more than double the rate of his predecessor. A HuffPost analysis earlier this year found that, as of February, Trump’s love of golf had cost taxpayers $133.8 million.
By:
cooperman
When: 03 Sep 20 08:03
Justice Department zeroing in on longtime GOP fundraiser Elliott Broidy.

"Only the Best People" Shocked
By:
dave1357
When: 03 Sep 20 08:32

Sep 3, 2020 -- 2:37AM, timbuctooth wrote:


Put antifa.com into your address bar, and where do you think it`ll bring you? To antifa? No, it brings you directly to joebiden.com! Imagine if kkk.com brought you directly to TheDon.com! Another sanctimonious hypocritical dem, Mr. I-don`t-take-cocaine-or-steroids cuomo jnr, in a spot of sexual harassment trouble, it seems


And your point is? I could set up a website timmehhatestrump.com and direct it to trumps campaign site.

You are once again showing your ignorance and gullibility.

By:
edy
When: 03 Sep 20 08:54
Are you saying that antifa.com could potentially not belong to the official Antifa CEO?
By:
edy
When: 03 Sep 20 08:55
That potentially it could even be owned by the Trump campaign, or anyone else looking to hurt Biden?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 03 Sep 20 09:04

Sep 3, 2020 -- 1:46AM, timbuctooth wrote:


Well, we`re getting there, which is good, but no innocent man accepts even partial blame. All the talk was of `betting on`, ie. backing, as it`s been known since always. I complied, posting my backs, clearly labelled as `my backs`. Zero room for any misunderstanding, no deceit, but pp got it wrong. I understand you and he are generally `against` me, so I do appreciate your confirmation of 95%, but that 5% niggles at a pure soul!


Okay, as expected you’re a lost cause to any sensible discussion, because you’re incapable of seeing beyond the inside of your own head. On the narrower point, if you don’t see how being asked to post your bets and then not actually posting all of them gave a highly distorted impression then fine but that’s on you, not anyone else, as is you thrashing around like a beserker blaming everyone else for what I’ve now very charitably agreed might have just been a misunderstanding but definitely one you instigated.

By:
dave1357
When: 03 Sep 20 09:09

Sep 3, 2020 -- 8:54AM, edy wrote:


Are you saying that antifa.com could potentially not belong to the official Antifa CEO?


the antifa ceo hates the internet and only corresponds by letter, as you well know, edy

By:
cooperman
When: 03 Sep 20 09:17
Note to Trump :- find more shiny objects, QUICK!

6,000,000+ cases, 187,000+ deaths.
By:
lfc1971
When: 03 Sep 20 09:25
fatslogger does it cross your mind that Tim might be telling the truth ?
When asked to post his bets he posted a few examples of his bets , that should have been enough to shut up people like politics punter who
seems to think others don’t bet
Not happy , it seemed
So it was then about losing bets , which it turned out to be not losing bets after all

Now what’s the problem again ?
By:
politicspunter
When: 03 Sep 20 10:53

Sep 3, 2020 -- 9:17AM, cooperman wrote:


Note to Trump :- find more shiny objects, QUICK!6,000,000+ cases, 187,000+ deaths.


Yep, now 189K+ Covid deaths, 2.5 million+ active cases and the number of deaths going up a thousand a day. The only thing that is staying still is the polling gap between Biden and Trump.

By:
politicspunter
When: 03 Sep 20 12:51
From the bbc...

US election: Trump tells North Carolina voters to vote twice

US President Donald Trump has told people in the state of North Carolina to vote twice in November's election, despite this being illegal.

Mr Trump suggested voters vote once in person and a second time by post, in order to stress-test the system.

The president has frequently made false claims that postal votes are vulnerable to significant electoral fraud.

"Let them send it in and let them go vote," he told North Carolina broadcaster WECT-TV on Wednesday.

"And if the system is as good as they say it is then obviously they won't be able to vote (in person)."

After President Trump made the comments, North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein tweeted that he had "outrageously encouraged" people in the state to "break the law in order to help him sow chaos in our election".

"Make sure you vote, but do not vote twice!" Mr Stein added. "I will do everything in my power to make sure the will of the people is upheld in November."

Read more: Does US postal voting lead to ‘tremendous fraud’?
Democrats have also accused President Trump and the Republican party of attempting to suppress the vote in order to help their side in the election.

President Trump was in Wilmington, North Carolina, to formally designate the city an American World War Two Heritage City.

What are Trump's claims - and is there any truth to them?
This isn't the first time President Trump has made controversial comments about postal voting.

Speaking at the Republican National Convention (RNC) last month, he claimed "there's tremendous fraud involved" with postal voting and that "we have to be very, very careful".

But these claims have been strongly and repeatedly debunked by experts.

Ellen Weintraub, commissioner of the Federal Election Commission, responded at the time that "there's simply no basis for the conspiracy theory that voting by mail causes fraud".

In addition, numerous nationwide and state-level studies over the years have not revealed evidence of major, widespread fraud.

In the 2016 US presidential election, nearly one quarter of votes were cast by post, and that number is expected to rise this time round due to public health concerns over coronavirus.

Individual US states control their own voting rules for federal elections - and many are looking to increase postal voting to prevent large gatherings at polling stations on election day. A number of states are planning to hold "all-mail" ballot elections this November.

The rate of voting fraud overall in the US is between 0.00004% and 0.0009%, according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice.
By:
politicspunter
When: 03 Sep 20 13:40
What sort of country has the USA become that the President is actively encouraging voters to try and illegally vote twice in their general election? How can a situation like this ever have been arrived at? I am 100% certain that our Prime Minister would never dream of suggesting trying to ruin our democracy in this manner. Trump has become a dictator and a very dangerous one at that.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 Sep 20 15:46
Wouldn't put it past Cummings, could be his input...
By:
Charlie
When: 03 Sep 20 16:13
It will be interesting to hear from Trump supporters on this.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 03 Sep 20 16:41
Seem to be going all out to get people vaccinated before election, dodgy out IF it comes about.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 03 Sep 20 17:18
190,300 (5%)

the 5% matters none when you are losing 30,000 per month.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 03 Sep 20 17:41

Sep 3, 2020 -- 4:13PM, Charlie wrote:


It will be interesting to hear from Trump supporters on this.


As with the suggestion that he asked them to do less coronavirus testing, this will be framed as a disruptive joke, if it gets enough bad press. It’s just more sharp stick to poke liberals with stuff. Fundamentally though, I think this is Trump’s problem as well as one of his strengths. He’s just so very aggravating to his wider opponents (basically anyone even slightly liberal), that the opposition to him is entrenched and energised. You can make the cricket comparison around the shot that gets you a lot of your runs also being the one that gets you out sometimes, if you like.

By:
politicspunter
When: 03 Sep 20 17:48
All he is doing by encouraging illegal behaviour is to polarise the two sides even further. Trump cannot win unless he brings Biden voters over to his side and as many moderate independents as possible.
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