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By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 10:59
not sure corbyn does the wrong thing, but as you point out
labour mps get hassle from bbc whilst tories are allowed to
read prepared scripts.

corbyn will perform in an election as he offers what folk want
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 11:01
tories have already chucked prudence in the bin, and promise
to match labour spending whilst never spending, but still borrowing
to plug the hole left by this brexit torpor
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Oct 19 11:04
Paul Sweeney was on Sky earlier, taking on Bernard Jenkins in a debate regarding a future general election.
I continue to be impressed with this guy, appears very switched on and gets his points across extremely well.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Oct 19 11:08
We need good MPs from all parties but Paul is looking very dodgy to be re-elected as he has a tiny majority from the SNP.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 11:09
It is a pleasure to follow my constituency neighbour, the hon. Member for Glasgow East (David Linden), in this debate on the Queen’s Speech.

Surveying what was said earlier in the debate by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to me it felt like a speech made from a parallel universe, to be quite frank, with no resemblance to what I see happening on the streets of my city and my constituency. Looking at the pain and the hurt visited on this country by this Government, we see an act of deliberate and calculated economic sabotage. In fact, it is an act of economic and social vandalism by this Government.

There have been 10 lost years in which wages have stagnated, or are lower than they were 10 years ago. That fed into a recent report by Menu for Change—an alliance between Oxfam Scotland, the Poverty Alliance, the Child Poverty Action Group Scotland and Nourish Scotland—which showed that people are facing severe despair. I see such despair in my constituency surgeries week after week. People are emaciated, starving, and struggling to feed their children. They feel humiliated and suffer from poor mental health as a result of the anguish they face and the problems visited on them by this Government.​
This is not a joke or something that can be theorised; this is experienced week in, week out. I have seen it in the cuts to disability allowance. My constituency is the worst affected in Scotland, and the change from disability allowance to the personal independence payment is affecting my constituents who lose £1.9 million in disability benefits every year as a result. In some constituencies that are already on the breadline, the effects of that lost income is causing a mini-recession.

The report by Menu for Change highlighted that hunger is increasingly a feature of our communities in a way that it has not been since the creation of the welfare state 70 years ago, and people are increasingly becoming suicidal with despair because of the impact it is having. The solution is not food banks or more food—a lack of food is not the problem; the source of the problem is a lack of income. We must get more money into people’s pockets to solve the problem, and the Government have fundamentally failed to address that issue. Child poverty and the impact of universal credit are related. The biggest achievement of the previous Labour Government was to reduce child poverty by record levels, from 3 million children living in poverty in 1998 to 1.6 million in 2010. This Government’s austerity policies have reversed that achievement, and child poverty now stands at 4.1 million. That shameful epitaph hangs over this Conservative Government in their dying days, and they should feel the shame of that as they try to make their case for forming the next Government.

The Government’s policies on the future of the European Union are an act of economic sabotage. In my constituency the largest single employer, Allied Vehicles, is a fantastic example of industry and entrepreneurialism. It was created in a community that had suffered significant deindustrialisation, and the business grew from having just a few employees in the 1990s to now employing 700 people in skilled, well-paid jobs. It is the largest importer of Peugeot, Citroen, Ford, Volkswagen and Mercedes vehicles in the UK. It converts them into wheelchair accessible vehicles, and it has the largest market share of wheelchair accessible car production in Europe. It is scared that in a no-deal scenario, or if the transition period ends before a customs union or free trade deal is agreed, under World Trade Organisation terms its products will face a 10% levy on exports from the UK to the EU. That is more than the total margin on its sales, and it will stop that export business dead in its tracks. That business is projected to create another 200 jobs in my constituency by 2025, and to increase vehicle production from 500 to 3,800 per year.

That is the economic vandalism I speak of when I look at this Government’s policies on the European Union, and it is directly related to my constituency. Such vandalism is utterly shameful, and when we try to get clarity, there is none. This Government are not fit to hold office—they must go, and go quickly.
By:
themover
When: 25 Oct 19 11:14
Have the SNP sorted out the £207m NHS Scotland deficit yet?
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Oct 19 11:15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Sweeney

Very impressive.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Oct 19 11:23

Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:09AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


It is a pleasure to follow my constituency neighbour, the hon. Member for Glasgow East (David Linden), in this debate on the Queen’s Speech.Surveying what was said earlier in the debate by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to me it felt like a speech made from a parallel universe, to be quite frank, with no resemblance to what I see happening on the streets of my city and my constituency. Looking at the pain and the hurt visited on this country by this Government, we see an act of deliberate and calculated economic sabotage. In fact, it is an act of economic and social vandalism by this Government.There have been 10 lost years in which wages have stagnated, or are lower than they were 10 years ago. That fed into a recent report by Menu for Change—an alliance between Oxfam Scotland, the Poverty Alliance, the Child Poverty Action Group Scotland and Nourish Scotland—which showed that people are facing severe despair. I see such despair in my constituency surgeries week after week. People are emaciated, starving, and struggling to feed their children. They feel humiliated and suffer from poor mental health as a result of the anguish they face and the problems visited on them by this Government.​This is not a joke or something that can be theorised; this is experienced week in, week out. I have seen it in the cuts to disability allowance. My constituency is the worst affected in Scotland, and the change from disability allowance to the personal independence payment is affecting my constituents who lose £1.9 million in disability benefits every year as a result. In some constituencies that are already on the breadline, the effects of that lost income is causing a mini-recession.The report by Menu for Change highlighted that hunger is increasingly a feature of our communities in a way that it has not been since the creation of the welfare state 70 years ago, and people are increasingly becoming suicidal with despair because of the impact it is having. The solution is not food banks or more food—a lack of food is not the problem; the source of the problem is a lack of income. We must get more money into people’s pockets to solve the problem, and the Government have fundamentally failed to address that issue. Child poverty and the impact of universal credit are related. The biggest achievement of the previous Labour Government was to reduce child poverty by record levels, from 3 million children living in poverty in 1998 to 1.6 million in 2010. This Government’s austerity policies have reversed that achievement, and child poverty now stands at 4.1 million. That shameful epitaph hangs over this Conservative Government in their dying days, and they should feel the shame of that as they try to make their case for forming the next Government.The Government’s policies on the future of the European Union are an act of economic sabotage. In my constituency the largest single employer, Allied Vehicles, is a fantastic example of industry and entrepreneurialism. It was created in a community that had suffered significant deindustrialisation, and the business grew from having just a few employees in the 1990s to now employing 700 people in skilled, well-paid jobs. It is the largest importer of Peugeot, Citroen, Ford, Volkswagen and Mercedes vehicles in the UK. It converts them into wheelchair accessible vehicles, and it has the largest market share of wheelchair accessible car production in Europe. It is scared that in a no-deal scenario, or if the transition period ends before a customs union or free trade deal is agreed, under World Trade Organisation terms its products will face a 10% levy on exports from the UK to the EU. That is more than the total margin on its sales, and it will stop that export business dead in its tracks. That business is projected to create another 200 jobs in my constituency by 2025, and to increase vehicle production from 500 to 3,800 per year.That is the economic vandalism I speak of when I look at this Government’s policies on the European Union, and it is directly related to my constituency. Such vandalism is utterly shameful, and when we try to get clarity, there is none. This Government are not fit to hold office—they must go, and go quickly.


Sadly, the general public never hear of such speeches being made in parliament,
Instead, they are fed a diet of twenty second soundbites of the Punch and Judy show.

By:
Angoose
When: 25 Oct 19 11:26

Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:15AM, politicspunter wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_SweeneyVery impressive.


Indeed so, parliament needs more of his type, regardless of which side of the chamber they sit on.
Should he lose out to the SNP in the general election, highly likely that he'd be put to work somewhere within the party.

By:
thegiggilo
When: 25 Oct 19 11:28
----you-have-to-laugh--- 25 Oct 19 10:59 
not sure corbyn does the wrong thing, but as you point out
labour mps get hassle from bbc whilst tories are allowed to
read prepared scripts.

corbyn will perform in an election as he offers what folk want

So they interview peter kellner and he pushs the narratve labour trying to get rid of corbyn to get spring election,what a load of bollox the reason he said that is to get that election on monday,every single thing the BBC  are doing is pushing the december election..I will be amazed if corbyn doesn't fall for it,complete suicide they way everythings been ****,postal votes,ids,reregister by december 1st could be 2 foot of snow on the ground in sciotland..I see asolutely no reason to have an election in december,the left will twist corbyns arm the betting should be the otherway round..
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 11:31
i really dont think corbyn is so impulsive as to fall for it

he has bj exactly where he wants him, and 3 more months of this will turn
the polls back a bit closer before an election.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 25 Oct 19 11:38
Corbyn wants an election,you underestimate how clueless he is he's only being prevented from the plp,i think hes that gullible he might try and call it on the 5th classic dom offer them the worst date but still get second best..the 5th of december..i literally will piss myself if the do this.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Oct 19 11:39
They do appear to be added a second layer of defence, not just extension required, but now no deal off the table.
This second element will likely manifest itself in the form of a WAB amendment to force an extension at the end of 2020 should a FTA not be in place.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Oct 19 11:41
SNP also quoting December 5 but will not happen due to the NATO summit in London on December 3 and 4.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 11:42
an extension to 31 jan does not take no deal off the table...
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 25 Oct 19 11:54
The way this is going it could be in January!

My play would be firstly to make sure Brexit does not happen and certainly not by 31st October

Then target Dorris as a Liar and someone who promises but never delivers.

Make sure that Labour call a vote of No Confidence

Corbyn must form a Government and become Prime Minister

Stir up Nigel Fromage to get him to stand against the Broken Promise Tory Party.

Further to that set a Confirmatory Referendum up while they have a Remain Majority in Parliament.

Unfortunately I am not sure the impasse will be broken by a General Election so a decisive referendum is needed.

Yes this is not right and fair but neither was the Leave Campaign, the illegal financing of it and neither are the lying Tories being fair. Understand the rules you are playing by and fight fire with fire. He he puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue figuratively speaking that is!

Play Cummings at his own game....We need to get Brexit done...erm no we don't!

Jobs not ego's and personal ambition of Tory MP's is more important!
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 11:56
Play Cummings at his own game....We need to get Brexit done...erm no we don't!


err....so why pull the bill dom?
By:
themover
When: 25 Oct 19 12:01

Oct 25, 2019 -- 11:42AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


an extension to 31 jan does not take no deal off the table...


good, and nor should it.

By:
mafeking
When: 25 Oct 19 12:38
people in cloud cuckoo land if they think the public will be any less furious about remoaner MPs blocking brexit whether it's 3 weeks, 3 months or 3 years. the brexit betrayal will not be forgotten for a long long time
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Oct 19 12:40
bj is holding up  brexit having got his deal through another stage...

prorogation, now pulling the bill

delay after delay after delay
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Oct 19 15:01
I have just done something I have never done. I cashed out my bets on this market. I was getting edgy as the market was so volatile and you didn't know for certain what was happening from hour to hour let alone day to day that I went for the big button. Shame as I was quite looking forward to collecting on my 920.0 bets for a few pence as it would have been my biggest odds won ever!
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Oct 19 09:47
Well, just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. A mad betting night as the LibDem/SNP 9th December election plan was revealed. Labour under pressure from all corners now. Latest prices...

October 1000.0
November 180.0
December 2.16
2020 or later 1.8
By:
politicspunter
When: 28 Oct 19 11:52
Another mad day on the betting front. Who knows, it might be resolved today.

October 1000.0
November 160.0
December 1.78
2020 or later 2.2
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 11:58
Possibly tomorrow. But, like everything in this drama, far from certain.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Oct 19 13:35
There's no reason not to have it now, they have got what "they wanted" with a longer extension, so they can call a snap election for December. Can't wait to hear the BS "excuse" not to have one.

So the whole extension would have been for nothing when they fail to vote a GE through. But no one will ask that obvious question NAP.
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 13:38
Here we go, competing bills to be tabled tomorrow Grin

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
Govt likely to table similar bill to lib Dems and SNP tomorrow if they fail to get election tonight - no 10 source says they 'will introduce a bill almost identical to the Lib Dem-SNP bill and we will have a pre-Christmas election anyway'

"almost identical" Silly
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Oct 19 13:40
They have no choice but to vote it through now, angoose

There's nothing getting in the way, the extension runs well past any GE date that can be set. If they fail to vote it through now you'll know its "making it up as they go along"
By:
thegiggilo
When: 28 Oct 19 13:41
4/5 still and two goes,even if the government bill doesn't go throgh the libs will .
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 13:48
Government vote today will fail.
We'll then get two competing bills tomorrow.

Labour should seek to table an amendment to these to have the OBR latest analysis released.
That way, they get something out of it.
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 14:11
Lib Dems have three conditions on backing No10 election Bill:
1 Protection from no deal
2 Don’t use it to ram through the WAB
3 Date of election must be explicit in Bill
By:
thegiggilo
When: 28 Oct 19 14:11
2s on like finding it in the street..
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 14:50
We've all walked down those streets before Shocked
By:
thegiggilo
When: 28 Oct 19 15:00
Am on at 2sShockedyet again thats three times i've bet itShockedkeep laying off then back it comes again..
By:
politicspunter
When: 28 Oct 19 15:06

Oct 28, 2019 -- 3:00PM, thegiggilo wrote:


Am on at 2syet again thats three times i've bet itkeep laying off then back it comes again..


In this incredibly volatile market, you are doing exactly the right thing in backing and then laying off.

By:
thegiggilo
When: 28 Oct 19 16:12
1.28 nocome back from this one,labour will have to vote for the lebdims bill..
By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 16:23
The Keith Vaz story could be made to go away with an election.
By:
OnePercenter
When: 28 Oct 19 16:30
Why would anyone want Vaz to be an MP?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Oct 19 16:32
Labour ain't voting for s***

No election this year or next
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Oct 19 16:34
Extension after extension after extension with Labour screaming for an election in between them and then voting it down when it comes to it rinse and repeat

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By:
Angoose
When: 28 Oct 19 16:38
James Forsyth

Still a lot of Tory nervousness about a December election. As one minister put it to me late last week, ‘Who jumps out of bed on a cold December morning to vote for the government?’

A lot of nervousness on all sides, but appearing to be unstoppable now.
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