Politics
Why has leave been backed overnight?
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Did you see reports that some EU migrants have been receiving polling cards even though they are supposed to be ineligible to vote?
Disgraceful stuff. |
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and the postal vote guide that comes with the actual polling card that showed a pen ticking the Remain box!
Its all here http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/675573/EU-referendum-fears-over-Brexit-vote-integrity-as-EU-citizens-sent-polling-cards |
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/675573/EU-referendum-fears-over-Brexit-vote-integrity-as-EU-citizens-sent-polling-cards
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Apologies didn't realise I had to shrink it http://goo.gl/XBNN0y
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I’ve 100% made my mind up (5308 votes)
I’ll be voting 'remain' 2064 votes (39%) I’ll be voting 'leave' 3243 votes (61%) I’m pretty sure but not completely decided (1097 votes) I’ll be voting 'remain' 539 votes (49%) I’ll be voting 'leave' 558 votes (51%) I’m blowing in the wind (892 votes) I’m swaying to vote 'remain' 208 votes (23%) I’m swaying to vote 'leave' 240 votes (27%) I’m genuinely undecided 444 votes (50%) I’m not planning to vote (63 votes) If I were, I’d vote 'remain' 6 votes (10%) If I were, I’d vote 'leave' 19 votes (30%) I really don’t know how I’d vote 28 votes (44%) I really don’t care 10 votes (16%) I will go on and on about how me and everyone i've met will be voting for Brexit, although in reality I probably won't bother and neither will the 12,000 other people that I dream't up (after all how could they if they don't exist) 15924 votes (300%) |
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/675573/EU-referendum-fears-over-Brexit-vote-integrity-as-EU-citizens-sent-polling-cards . just use full stops before and after |
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Ah thanks :)
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@johnizere and others - There is an alternative to postal voting, which is to appoint someone you trust (anyone really, so long as they're not a politician!) to vote by proxy. I will be away on holiday when the vote takes place (in Turkey, in a slightly strange twist of irony), so I've filled in the form and my neighbour will be voting for me. I'm not sure I trust the postal voting system on this occasion, especially as it could come down to a few thousand votes, such as we saw in Austria, where the postal vote clinched it at the death to keep out the far-right candidate. Postal votes are easier to lose than those in a box at the polling station, although I'm sure those boxes can go missing too.
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Electoral fraud?! This isn't the United States of America!
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I’ve 100% made my mind up (9838 votes)
I’ll be voting 'remain' 3732 votes (38%) I’ll be voting 'leave' 6106 votes (62%) I’m pretty sure but not completely decided (2099 votes) I’ll be voting 'remain' 989 votes (47%) I’ll be voting 'leave' 1110 votes (53%) I’m blowing in the wind (1810 votes) I’m swaying to vote 'remain' 395 votes (22%) I’m swaying to vote 'leave' 467 votes (26%) I’m genuinely undecided 948 votes (52%) I’m not planning to vote (148 votes) If I were, I’d vote 'remain' 17 votes (11%) If I were, I’d vote 'leave' 37 votes (25%) I really don’t know how I’d vote 61 votes (41%) I really don’t care 33 votes (22%) I’m not entitled to vote (184 votes) If I were, I’d vote 'remain' 93 votes (51%) If I were, I’d vote 'leave' 73 votes (40%) I really don’t know how I’d vote 10 votes (5%) I really don’t care 8 votes (4%) 14,079 votes received. |
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MSE and Brexit are overlapping demographic types: whiplash-sensitive, multiple-perp-insurance-claimaints, rate-tarts who expect to be bailed out when their fav Icelandic banks default, bottom-feeders who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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Dr Crippen
Joined: 16 Apr 02 Replies: 24360 31 May 16 17:28 I can't see how this compares with the Scottish referendum. It's a different kettle of fish altogether. The Scots weren't peed off with being part of Britain like Britain is peed off with being part of the EU. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its not a different kettle of fish at all. It is very very similar. A great many Scots are peed off with being part of Britain, they don't feel British and don't want to be British. The scaremongering will increase steadily as exit becomes real, just wait and see. The Scots being the Scots let their fear rule them, I suspect the English wont despite the all the prophecies of doom which will now appear. |
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could it be something to do with the French?
the national strike is growing- started off with shortages at the pumps- extended to refineries and so reported the govt are dipping into the forces fuel stockpile (never thought they would have that much but hey-ho) - now extending to possible national travel strike and of course 11 of 12 nuclear power stations now threatening strike; in the past- for decades- the french govt always capitulate - but thats a little difficult this time because some of the employment laws are being forced on the country by the EU when your in the club and your nation wants a change- you'r fooked fellas so- what is it gonna be like in uk if we remain but dont want eu law? And immigration: we are all told that expansion of europe to include Turkey cannot happen without UK agreement - in that uk can veto anything - if thats so- why did uk representatives not veto the entry of the balkan states/ greece/ poland etc ???? it all stinks to high heaven: I know from business experience that ruling by large committee seldom works and is never as good as smaller ones; one vote in 30 at the table? - no thanks. |
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Most Brexit supporters will be small betters to small stakes, the big hitters will assume the bookies know what is what and follow te herd. How many short priced favoruites get beat during a season /
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Still waiting to see CJ70 manipulate this market.
Should be a masterclass. |
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If bookmakers were only taking money on Leave THEY would be the shortest price. It's called bookmaking.
Books opening prices are set on what they know and their opinions. Cash manipulates the markets. To show a profit bookmakers need balanced books not lop sided ones, they adjust prices according to the money they take. Anyone thinking otherwise know absolutely nothing about bookmaking. |
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True to a large extent but it's not the full story especially in 2 horse races. Opinion does have to be the major influence on the market but the problem is that once a strong favourite has been established, it's very difficult to shift.
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The bookies may have followed the polls for a while, but the bookies cottoned on to Milliband's lack of credibility long before the polls began to reflect public opinion. Conservative were narrow odds against in january, for most seats. that is what I backed.that price lasted a few days before it began to plunge dramatically, despite polls still showing strong labour support. A mate of mine (as i said before)took the plunge and backed tory majority at huge odds. It turned out well for him but it was far too much of a risk for me. For me the bet was tory most seats (which i still think is the safest bet I have ever made)at 11/10, evens, and 10/11, which was outstanding value for me. I have put thousands of much smaller bets on, many at at odds on. But I have never felt safer or more comfortable with a bet than I did with that one, despite it being by far the most i have ever bet on one event.
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I posted the above only to illustrate that the people who got their fingers burned backing Labour at the GE because the polls told them a labour win was a possibility, are NOT necessarily the same people that are backing Remain this time. Quite a lot of people on here seem to assume that anyone who is backing Remain for the EU Ref(broadly in lne with the polls), also backed labour at the GE. They keep on pointing out that the polls got it wrong last year, in the mistaken assumption that anyone believing the polls this time must also have got it wrong at the GE. This is not the case. I'll wager that I(as a labour voter)put far more on the Tory win (most seats) than any of the Brexit supporters on here.
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Into 3.5 on here now for Brexit. Depending on how Gove does tonight, can see most bookies being 2/1 before end of the day.
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Laddies knocked over... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTTXlcgplsU
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Happened sooner than I thought! SJ into 2/1, 5/2 elsewhere, though shorter on here.
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You have been saying the bookies got the GE right when they were miles out just like the polls were. I've posted Betfair's predictions based on their markets which were almost identical to the polls, the other bookies wouldn't have been so far out from Betfair. They both called it wrong.
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btw well done for backing Conservative most seats but this bet won so easily that you cant say you called the GE right. That imo would have meant laying no overall majority at sub 1/10 or backing something like conservatives 300+ seats. It's a bit like someone referring to backing Leicester to finish in the top half as evidence of calling the Premier league right.
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1/2
6/4 This is getting close. Like Spieth v Day in a play off. |
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Where are you getting those odds from , I have looked on oddschecker and it gives a lot of bookmakers odds most of them still are 1-3 or 2-5 remain , 11-5 and 2-1 leave
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1.45 Remainians
3.15 Brexiteers |
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Yeah i just rounded them up for my own fractional sensationalism.
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Zenmaster has Brexit-figure syndrome, they're about as accurate as my lottery tickets.
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What did you stand to gain from that, ZenMaster?
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