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I think I can explain your confusion 4thjuly. The Bar Finals done at the Inns Of Court comes before pupilage. When you complete the Bar Finals examinations you are issued with a certificate of completion. At this stage you are classed as a Barrister. At this stage you are classed as a Non Practising Barrister. Going on from this if you want to practise in court you then do pupilage of a year.
As for the police I can't say whether a probationary constable is issued with a certificate after they have done their two years in the service. I didn't for reasons given. |
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Very true, who keeps wage slips without mounting their certificates.
I would imagine EO has an extremely organised sock draw, it is difficult to comprehend he would not have his `career file` ready for parade. |
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Did you take an exam at the end of your initial training at the police college? I am pretty sure you should have otherwise we wouldn't know what lunatics we were letting on to our streets in uniform would we? On taking that exam if you passed you would have got a certificate. It's what the police do, they give out certificates for sneezing correctly. |
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As for wage slips but not certificates I have already clarified that we definitively do not have certificates for the fire. I have wage slips and pension statements.
I have carified the issue with the police. I can see what you are saying. Given the amount you want to dot the i's and cross the t's. I suggest you look back at the sheer amount of information I have offered you. It's for you to say if this is satisfactory for your requirements. Like I said I've already got out my certificates for nursing, degree and Bar finals. From my point of view if you are then quibbling about me issuing other proof relating to fire and police then I smell a rat. |
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And its called a Full Qualification Certificate not a certificate of completion, though no doubt the same thing.
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No I smell a rat.
You haven't got proof. And your'e wriggling. I'm still trying to have the bet. Contact Manchester City Police college and ask for the duplicate certificate. |
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call me a taxi 21 Dec 14 19:41
4thjulykid 21 Dec 14 19:25 Why don't you put up £10,000 as a side bet Alun, give the forum the potential for some outside bets? I don't exaggerate about my life. But, once EO has proven who he is, I'll stake £10k that I'm not him. |
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Are you saying you have not even passed a health and safety exam at the fire service or any examination at all?
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What qualifications do I need to become a firefighter?
No formal qualifications are required to become a firefighter. However, you will need to pass a series of written and apptitude tests to proceed with any application. Any qualifications you bring into the service may help with future promotion. With all yours you could have started as Fire Chief level. |
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They test you before you can even apply. With tests come results, with results come certificates.
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Did you take an exam at the end of your initial training at the police college?
I took an exam at the end of my initial training for GMP at Sedgley Park after which I was issued with my warrant card. I then did a couple of exams at the north's national police training school at Bruges before going out on to division in GMP. After which I was meant to return to Bruges but had to leave prior to that. At no stage was a certificate issued. |
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I am answering all your questions here 4th but instead of deciding whether what I have forward to you is acceptable you keep adding questions. Yes we had to be tested to get into the fire as we were for the police as well. No certificates were issued after passing them. They just chose to accept you into training or not as a result of these tests.
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They test you before you can even apply. With tests come results, with results come certificates.
You're quite wrong. If you think they offer you a certificate when they perform assessments on whether you are suitable to be accepted for initial training then you are quite mad. suggest you ask your family member about that. At the risk of repeating myself you are leading me up the garden path here. I've told you what proof I have and it is comprehensive. I suspect there will always be something else required for you to commit. |
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Bruche not Bruges. We didn't do across the channel.
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You have to have a certificate these days just to apply to become a policeman its called a 'certificate of police knowledge'.
Can't believe they didn't issue certificates in 98 for passing the initial course. We shall see. |
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Your proof is far from comprehensive. Your starting to wriggle me old china.
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Would you accept references julykid?
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That's for you to decide if its enough for you 4th. I've told you what I have. Call or fold.
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Of course. That's a good thought AG
Sure you have your comprehensive references Eeternal. A to B B to C and so forth. |
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I'm finding it hard to believe that I am offering you a plethora of proof and you are dodging and dancing like this.
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Sure you have your comprehensive references Eeternal. A to B B to C and so forth.
Perhaps you can explain this and explain why if I provide references you won't just say that I've made them up. |
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It's not up to me to call or fold. Its for you to provide me with the comprehensive proof that you have not been lying. So far you have waffled about pensions but not certificates and not having the comprehensive proof is no proof at all.
You have said you haven't the proof so bad luck, as far as I am concerned you have lost the bet. When can I expect payment? |
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Certainly if you give a catagoric assurance that you will accept it as proof I will contact GMP and the fire service tomorrow and request that they provide me with letters detailing my service.
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Carry on. Proof is what I'm after. Not blood. It's only a bet.
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I have already told you I have a letter in my possession now which documents clearly and unambigously that I was a member of GMP as a policeman. The bet is for me to prove that I was a policeman. It was not that I could provide a certificate which doesn't exist.
You are clearly showing your colours. Like I said I have certificates of qualification for nursing, degree and Bar. It rally is time for you to step up or simply accept that you require a specific proof which doesn't exist and which therefore shows up your tactic here. |
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'certificate of police knowledge'
EO will not have one of these it seems they didn't start until April 2013 |
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I don't have one. I didn't even know they existed.
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No. You said it details your pension transfer. So ask for the duplicate cert for passing your police exams, they will have it on record I'm sure.
If your not going to provide it pay up. |
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4thjulykid has bottled it.
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You have to have a certificate these days just to apply to become a policeman its called a 'certificate of police knowledge'.
That's why it is best to post the whole thing. |
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I'd like to bottle you.
Onlyjoking |
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Give all your supporters a sniff, upload your law certs. I'll accept that as part completion of the bet.
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Perhaps you didn't read this 4thjuly:
I have already told you I have a letter in my possession now which documents clearly and unambigously that I was a member of GMP as a policeman. Your fixation on certificates which never existed is poor form. |
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What does part completion mean exactly? Is this merely a delaying tactic or is there some financial aspect to this because if there is money involved I find it a very agreeable aspect of the bet because it will show you aren't bluffing.
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The certificates existed in 1998 as they do today except they need them in advance. The initial training has been outsourced with a certificate at the end.
Put yours up. You say you haven't got one because they didn't exist. I say they did exist. |
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Do you not carry ID as a fireman EO? i think you own the money if you provide that and the rest.
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I've got a fire service card with my photo on sat in my locker at work in case I do CSF visits Angel.
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CFS.
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Are your replies just a long winded way of saying you don't have the comprehensive proof. Poor form from someone so upright.
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don't know if this is of any help.............
"It's a national qualification and I think a lot of forces will be adopting it, but the Met are the first to implement it from April 2013." http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php/topic/133985-certificate-in-knowledge-of-policing/ |