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Why do councils need PR departments?
Why do councils need PR departments?
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Karla
If you keep going round in circles like this you will disappear up your own arse. How many times have you now said that it is self explanatory? You would have spent less time actually explaining yourself than making this point. Were councils unable to perform their functions before the advent of huge and expensive departments designed to "get their message out"? You still haven't explained why the council need to get their message out in the first place. We fully understand that is what PR departments are there for but the question remains why you consider it be a necessary function? Do you understand the question? |
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A necessary function for a council of course. I can see why a film or rock star needs PR.
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She understands the question Eeternal. She just won't answer it because, of course, she can't. Shall we try one more time?
Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill? Over to you........... |
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You'd think she had something to hide.
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Once again:
Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill? |
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Interesting thread this.
The caring sharing lefties want to spunk £100k a year on a smooth talking waste of space, the evil bastards on the right want to employ 5 people at £20k each to help the needy. Strange old world |
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She might be worth every penny.
We simply don't know because as long as she keeps quiet we can't be totally sure of her idiocy. |
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it is time for them to go
I wonder which council has the guts to do it or is it just too entrenched imagine going for one sector in the council - it would be civil war between departments ha ha |
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The lass doth ponder.
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Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill?
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Council tax bills have been frozen recently. The LA has to communicate with its clients on various levels and through different media.
I have a question for you and your needy chum. Why do you continue to ask me a question where not only is the answer so obvious but you actually know full well the answer? It's very odd. |
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Are you serious??? A council tax bill gets frozen and it needs a £3million PR department to tell the residents that???
Pathetic answer Here's an idea - why don't the council communicate this news via the council tax bill which lands on the doormat? It is beyond believe that you think that is an adequate answer. |
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For a very simple reason. The answer is not obvious and we simply do not know the answer which is why the question is repeatedly being put to you. It seems you don't know the answer either because you keep telling us what it is they do. You have done this in a variety of ways with the latest being The LA has to communicate with its clients on various levels and through different media. You have singularly failed to addres the actual question which is why you consider this should be a function of a LA?
Allow me to help you out here because you are clearly struggling to understand a simple proposition. I think Java and others are broadly with me if I state our position as being one which sees a LA in a particular way. Our view is that its remit is to provide certain core services. We honestly cannot fathom why a council would need PR to provide these functions. The only way it could conceivably need whole departments dedicated to this pursuit is if it goes so far beyond its essential remit so as to totally redefine its role. Even then outside of being an agent of propaganda it remains hard to see the need. Perhaps we can come at this from a different angle: What do you see as the remit of a LA and how does a PR department allow it to fulfil that remit? |
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Karla - you are either being very stupid on this thread, or you are simply unwilling to answer the question. Perhaps you can address EO's point and we can see whether we can guide you in babysteps from another angle?
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The LA has to communicate with its clients on various levels and through different media.
What utter bollox. A LA doesn't have clients, it doesn't have a message, it has to sweep the streets, repair the roads and switch lights on. Anything else is utterly superfluous |
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Examples of the need for Local Authority PR. It's to explain why:
1) Such a large percentage of Council Tax is needed to meet the cost of salaries of our staff 2) A large amount of Council Tax is needed to contribute towards the pensions of our staff 3) Companies and businesses who pay business rates do not receive any waste collection (nor any other service for that matter) 4) We devote a lot of our funding to provide equality and diversity training for our staff 5) We consider it essential to serve our clients by providing courses on sexual education and health for the over-60's 6) We consider it important to provide a global outlook for our overseas clients who benefit from our grants 7) We consider that we are far more important than the local community we serve and the local community should pay for us to carry out the global and self-serving functions we decide are important 8) We are such complete and arrogant tos sers |
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9) Why we have an entire room of area associate directors on 85k reporting into an area director on 140k and none of these people actually carries out a task which benefits the community.
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Councils and 70% of the people who work for them are utter, utter parsitical w*nkers in my humble opinion.
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Councils and 70% of the people who work for them are utter, utter parsitical w*nkers in my humble opinion.
Most of the people who carry out and are responsible for the core functions are decent and conscientious in my experience. Councils should never have got away from key statutory functions in my view. Now in these austere times, Councils must surely return to core functions as a priority. Then there would be no need to bleat about Council Tax being frozen. Staff like Karla have umpteen options (apparently) of private sector employment so there should be no guilt in taking them off the public payroll. |
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To be fair, now that Karla has a clearly defined question to answer she may well have a well argued case to put forward. Perhaps we shouldn't prejudge the issue.
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you offering odds on that EO?
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I'm a fractions man myself but seeing as we are on betfair I will say that it is 1.01 that Karla doesn't come back with a well thought out comprehensive exposition of her standpoint. Still, on the basis that a blind dog will one day find a lamp post and those 1.01's sometimes go down in flames I await with an unsavoury sense of anticipation in the hope that her return is imminent.
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"Most of the people who carry out and are responsible for the core functions are decent and conscientious in my experience"
That's why I said 70% are w*nkers. |
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As the villain says in Inglorious Basturds. That's a bingo. |
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Karla - I see you popped on the forum and avoiding the question which you have managed to dodge for 2 weeks now:
Once again I post the question below. Please note - this is different to asking what a PR department DOES. Perhaps you can get your head round the difference? Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill? |
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They don't NEED them.
Our council offered a far greater range of direct services, forty years ago without one. They were SEEN to be providing services, and therefore did not need to keep peddling trash about what a great job they were doing. |
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Of course you are correct Mister E, but I'd like to hear Karla say it.
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I'd like my own Lear Jet and the likelihood of my wish coming true is about the same as your own. She isn't going to explain why they need to get their message out so she certainly isn't going to see any kind of rational sense. Pigs don't look up from the trough until they have had their fill.
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EO
for your "own" Jet you needed to run RBS. just got my spin magazine from the County Council It is the Olympics and Diamond Jubilee this year apparently I can furnish my house cheaply by going to the "showroom" at the tip They want more volunteers to run the libraries (court order put a hold on this) They are "working hard" to save "every penny" To save "every penny" and cut the production of waste , I have an idea. |
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Just in case I can land my odds of getting a Lear Jet when she plods on for her lunchtime posts.
Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill? |
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I wonder what is going on in Karla's strange world? Is she barricaded in her office, phone off the hook, cowering behind her desk, sweating profusely, eyes rolling back in their sockets and tongue hanging limply out of the corner of her mouth as she hits the refresh button every ten minutes hoping against hope that this thread is slowly working its way to the bottom of the page in the hope that her interminable torment will end?
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More a case of chuckling at you two needy Bunnies demandind an answer to something I have already answered.
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You're honestly better off answering the question rather than make yourself look so stupid.
You have answered the question "What does a PR department do" We have asked "Why should a single council have a £3 million a year PR department as opposed to either increasing core services, or reducing the council tax bill" Please give us your answer. You've run away from so many questions in the past, you know myself and EO are not going to let this one go as long as you pompously and sanctimoniously post away on other topics. If you truely don't understand the difference between the questions, then just say so and we can draw a line under it on the understanding that you are dunce of the highest order. Otherwise.........we wait.  |
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Mister E
I understand and fully endorse your feelings of frustration. It seems that for most of my adult life the one true growth area in this country is people doing nothing. Either people doing nothing officially through unemployment or so called incapacity or people at work building little empires to shield themselves from having to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. It wasn't restricted to New Labour either. As I have said many times the incapacity scam was started by the Tories. A little anecdote of my own to illustrate. I started nursing back in 84 and qualified in 88. Around that time I got chatting to a chap in salaries and wages. He was then slightly younger than I am now which is 45 and he had worked at the hospital since leaving school so I guess that put his starting point at around the early 60's. He said that at that time the sum total of administration staff (excluding people like medical secretaries) was 6 and they ran a very tight ship. By the mid 80's he said there were dozens with no massive changes or discernible improvements in the service they provided. Given that this was at a time when the Tories were supposedly decimating the health service I shudder to think what things will be like now. |
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Karla
If you honestly think you have answered the question then you are even more stupid than the luvvie window lickers who post on here and that is pretty stupid. I don't think you are that stupid. Don't get above yourself because you are stupid, just not that stupid. We know and you know why you are playing this little game and it is greatly amusing to see you pretending to feign indifference when you are clearly so discomfited. |
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Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill?
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In goes another left hook as Karla once more slides to the canvas. |
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Crippen will be on shortly with the white feather.
Sorry. I meant white towel. |
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And.............BOOF!
Karla - why do you consider it necessary and a good use of taxpayer money for councils to "get their message out"? Why don't they either increase spending on their services instead or reduce the council tax bill? |
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Will nobody take pity on this wretched creature? She has been down more times than Madonna. Do none of you have a heart? Is there not one amongst you who will carry this burden for her? Come forward all you luvvies. Clear your throats, open your mouths and sing you basturds.
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