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IPLAYBAD, With respect to say " and dont be a mug dont work for anyone, begging for wages of some company who dont give two s**ts about you" is disrespectful and completely insensitive towards others. Most people dont have the option of just leaving their jobs and starting their own business. They have families to feed, mortgages and other bills to pay and are not in a position to just walk out of their jobs and start their own business.
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Insensitive? Telling ppl how you want them to address you? get over yourself winkle, he's just saying working for yourself is an option aswelll.
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If you're talking about my earlier post in this thread, the guy was rude to me and I was making it clear that I would not talk to him if he he was rude to me in future. And no, sadly working for themselves is most definately not an option for most people
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I was not meaning to be disrespectful to anyone, just giving my oppinion - I had mortgage, bills and 3 kids when I did this and I still do today - its more about you can do whatever you put your mind to if you have the drive and discipline :-) its a different spin on all the other posts - I am not stupid and I know life is hard work - I have been through many bad times in my life, a lot more then most - if in life you can beat the one thing that is holding you back, you will win - the one thing that is holding you back is..... yourself...... we have the answer ad we can all sleep easy at night
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IPlayBad - A lot of what you say is true, but most people (especially in the current economical climate) are too busy just trying to keep their heads above water and pay the bills. They havent got the luxury of just leaving their jobs no matter how much they believe in themselves, and it was not fair of you to label them mugs and to refer to the money they earn as "begging for wages". I understand what you are trying to say but it came out a little insensitive, thats all. I know lot of hard woring people that can't just leave their jobs no matter how much they believe in themselves and no matter how well they could do on their own. Just my 2 cents worth
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can't see why anybody would see your post as insensitive playbad to be honest
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no idea why he tells everyone how hard he worked and how little he got back to also criticise people for 'begging for wages'
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Well I see how a lot of people could and will. Are you in a job Simon? Do you have a mortgage and family to support?
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Thank You Canary... I rest my case
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i suggest you get out more if his post offends you
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who was offended lol
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"Get out more" ? What does that mean in English Simon? And you didnt answer my last question.
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why you think im answerable you u? like i said before get over yourself. and get out more means if you are offended by his post, you are being overly sensitive and are easily offended.
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Trust me, Ive been there and done it Simon. Im guessing Im around double your age from the way you talk. I just dont like to see people talking down to others Canary so I was "slightly" offended.
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And Simon if you mean by "get over myself" that I should toelrate others being rude to me, sorry, thats not my style and I always stand up for myself.
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Let me have a neutral say in this:
I admire anybody taking the initiative to work and make a success of themselves instead of making somebody else a tidy profit and never actually being rewarded properly for their hard efforts, so I too took the plunge. But I do think your words are a little harsh on others that do not get that opportunity. I gave up a hell of a lot and hopefully it will pay dividends down the line, but you are only able to say that because your venture has been a success. Good for you, I really mean that. But what if it failed to due circumstances beyond your control? Would you be able to be so smug and critical of others that hadn't made a success of themselves? (smug may be a little harsh, let's say 'enthusiastic'). |
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its a gambling forum, so he uses alittle choice language to get his point across. judging by the way i talk? you make alot of judgements on a faceless forum where text can easily be taken out of context. nice 1
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Yes, you talk like someone that couldnt possibly understand why I was "slightly" offended. If you either dont work for someone or have a family, then perhaps this is why you dont understand my feelings.
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no idea why he tells everyone how hard he worked and how little he got back to also criticise people for 'begging for wages'
just a tad hypocriticial lol in reply to this - I to was one of these people - this is obv for all to see - I woke up to it thats all - I didnt get little for it - I was very well paid, if you know the typical wage of a supermarket store manager you will know it could not be referred to as little - but in the end I was begging for it by agreeing contracts etc to sell my sole....when I refer to getting nothing back I did not mean money wise - many millions of people will understand me when I say the job gave me nothing back :-) it took me 10 years to realise it is wrong - I now have self worth, self respect, huge amount of family time, I live my life as I please and I wont die having lead my entire life for some organisation to get hugely rich of my wasted body :-) thats all, I do not feel it hypocritical my previous comments - if I were to still be in employment and making my comments then I would be hypicrtical however in my circumstances today and for the previous 4 years and the rest of my life I am not :-) |
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that should read "a family to support". Thats why I asked you those questions because if you're not in that position, then you may find it hard to understand the reality for most people however much they may want to leave their jobs and start up on their own
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Ive decided full time internet poker is probably the biggest head melt going. Wether winning or losing. Did my first week of 9-5 there in 6 years and loved it- well, thats a bit strong but meeting other people getting the banter going is gd steam. Of all that guff nearly 40 days now- its amazing how much a mind set can change.
Theres tons of jobs out there if you want them, simple as that. Im also lookn at drop shipping btwn amazon and ebay- making 20/25% of phones, mp3 players etc. Dunno if it'l work but startn small. |
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ok fair enough, still stand by my original comments though.
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douglas, exactly the same, was 6 yrs december just gone and done my first full week this week. Really enjoyed it, poker fulltime not worth it unless you make over 50k imo
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IPlayBad, just for your information, I am a business owner myself and an employer. I just dont believe that people are "mugs" for working for others, I dont see wages as charity, treat my staff as I would want to be treated, but I live in a world where people that I work with cannot just get up, leave their jobs and start their own business, especially given the economic climate. I was a little surprised by your post as a business owner yourself, thats all, but Im sure you meant it in the nicest possible way
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What line of business are you in Chelsea if you dont mind me asking?
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Ha, made people are starting to wise up! Tho no doubt more will come to replace. I dont regret the 6 years, and was close to 50kp/a prob on 50k if had to pay tax- seen a lotta places i wouldnt without the cards. The wage im on now is so low its embarrasing- well its min wage with a few bonuses thrown in. Im stickn it min 10weeks and not moving till i get a new job in the industry I want to do my post-grad in (advertising) Also going second date with a wee honey (well shes not so wee 33yr old divorcee- damn hot- so theres more bonuses than just cash :p)
More to life than sitting in front of a PC all thro the night tho- and in my experience- a huge portion of the cash went toward keepn myself temprarly 'sane' (turns out i was actually storing up huge problems for down the line- but hey- mad sense at the time) Still play the odd game of cards- in 2 tournys now actually lol, but full-time, thro the night- ugh, id have to gtd £80k p/a imo to stick it. Its just such a scarifice. |
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*made = maybe
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I have a couple of internet companies Ben. Started out in 2001 when I was living at home, had no responsibilities, and was lucky that someone was prepared to lend me 10k. I worked 20 hours a day and didnt take a day off or holiday for 5 years. There is no way on the planet I could have set up today if I had a family and mortgage, especially in the current economic climate, and as ambitions as I am, I would hang onto my job as though it was golddust and wouldnt consider myself a mug for doing so.
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Ok thanks, How many people do you employ and are there any websites i can have a look through? Sorry to be so intrusive
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Iplaybad your story is good and you got lucky by falling into something golden where the market was relatively untapped by the sounds of it.
A business requires a lot of thought and a **g lot of hard work to get them up and running. This can take years with no profit at first, and financial planning before you start is a must. To quit a job with out a proper plan in place is utter madness. You obv got lucky but for every lucky one theres a whole bundle of people that fail because they believe your theory. That all said if you put the plans in place pre it can be one of the most rewarding life changes you can make. |
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same here dont regret, have enjoyed myself 'dossing' many perks but there comes a point where ive had my fun with it and ready to move on. In a couple of games myself, 1st time ive played for a while, is refreshing! Is just nice to be in a regular pattern to be honest, haven't had a regular sleeping pattern since i left school 10 yrs ago which tells its own story really
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I employ 4 people and its not a "website" type business, though it is run online and involves the internet. Its a smallish business but Ive done OK. I cant really say too much publicly Ben or give out details. I dont know what lunatic may get after me if I am unfortunate enough to suck them out, which is unlikely to ever happen given the way I run.
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Working 20 hours a day sounds nasty.
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well put Joffers. I guess thats what I was trying to say but obv didnt express myself very well!
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a half-way for many is a one-man limited company contractor.
it's less risky than many other forms of business since your outlay is essentially very limited but does require you to have some skills that the market will pay a premium for. you're effectively doing a similar job as permanent members of staff but without the support of the organisation or any of the corporate blx. however, it is riskier than permanent employment but you are working for yourself. |
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Lets just say I didnt have a girlfriend or a social life of any kind, but I saw an opportunity and didnt want to miss it. Its been worth it in many ways but I'm not married and no kids and in my early 40's so not sure if Id have been better off just living a "normal" life.
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Hi Jofy Thanks for your comments - I appreciate what you are saying - I think I may have been misunderstood - I left work with no idea what I would do - I did stumble on what I am doing but really it is all down to me and my drive - had it not been this line it would be something else (I will diversify in the next few years, invest money into different areas etc) I am not in what I am saying is say quit your job do this.. it will be easy - I was just really saying you can do whatever you put your mind to. I do not employ people - my wife and me do everything, it is easy - I buy from auctions, bootfairs, privately and on Ebay itself - single items, small lots, huge lots - because I have learnt such knowledge I have power in the market... this is all you need to succeed in anything - if you have more knowledge then mr smith and johnny nobollx then you can make money - I can look at a lot for 200 quid and see a grand profit, most other people will look at it and just see a pile of cra*
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A form of temping Dibble? Sounds viable but again tough to leave your day job if you have a mortgage to pay and a family to support. I guess if you had experience in a specialist field and were unable to leave your day job, you could find people that were out of work and connect them with companies that needed that type of temp staff and make some money that way?
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Sounds like a good biz IPlayBad, Good luck.
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thanks winkle - I by no means make huge money but we as a family have a very nice standard of living.. just to be a sad tossr, I have made many mistakes in my life, had many addictions etc - I have leanrt that no matter what you have, no matter how much money you have nothing beats loving and being loved by your partner, spending time with your kids and being a family unit - people spend to much time and effort in there jobs - work long hours, when they come home are tired and stressed - never see the kids, agro with the wife just cause of your own stresses and forget all what I have said above - the really important thing in life... you can be that proud man that worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week down a coal mine for 50 years, you have great banter with the lads and your a real man.... while your kids dont even know who there dad is and you have grown so far apart from your wife you dont recognize each other any more - ... I know I am a sad**rr but I mean every word of it .....when you are on your death bed you will not be holding hands with your employer but you probably spent more time with them :-)
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