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Why do people chase jobs where there are 100+ applicants? If you're serious about getting a job then decide what area you are willing to work in and contact the firms direct. There may be an upcoming vacancy and they may even decide to create one for someone who shows a bit of initiative.
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HYPE 07 Jan 17:13
Why do people chase jobs where there are 100+ applicants? are you for real? how do you suggest stopping people applying for the same job |
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and firms have a recruitment process
you don't just ring them up and they decide they have a vacancy where only you will be considered |
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canaryboy 07 Jan 17:15
HYPE 07 Jan 17:13 Why do people chase jobs where there are 100+ applicants? are you for real? how do you suggest stopping people applying for the same job Erm, by getting an education and developing a skillset where very few people can actually do that job, perhaps? |
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and how does that stop people applying?
you haven't really thought this through have you... |
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Clearly moreso than you have if you think people actually apply for jobs that they're not remotely qualified for.
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Travelling looks good on your cv + you can fill in some of the gap time on your cv by elaborating the time you have spent out of the country. You could also pick up casual jobs whilst travelling in order to pad out your cv a little bit, and of course you never know where things lead. Not to mention backpacking *****on tap and being around happy people who are in holiday mode all the time :)
I know you need cash for this, but it could be an aim abit further down the line. |
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f@nny
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well done lenny, u made a profit so not all bad, its not easy tp make a profit at those levels, i think you need to run really well to make decent profit,but if you do it again i would just stay off the forum and e mail you results to your backers, you just dont need the sh1t from people being nasty,good luck and if you decide to do it again i will take a share.
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Travelling looks no better on your CV than poker. I have done both and keep both well away. I went for a 12 month temporary job when I came back from travelling and the reason the recruitment agent was told I didn't get the job was because they didn't think I would stay long. This was for a 12 month contract ffs.
Given a choice, most HR departments/recruiters will go for the safe option. If you mention poker, 95% of people will assume you have a gambling problem, and if you mention travelling, 95% will assume you are a waster. Just how most peoples are. A lot of gettiing a job with gaps in your CV is either a question of finding someone desparate and/or someone who doesn't check too hard. But I find it easier to hide gaps, as I have been self employed for 10 years, and just don't mention the gaps between contracts. I am just relying on them not checking too hard. And for the smug, I'd also add that I am very well qualified and the jobs market was pretty horrific for a while. Having a ton of qualifications doesn't matter at all if all the firms in your area have a recruitment freeze. |
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canaryboy 07 Jan 17:16
and firms have a recruitment process you don't just ring them up and they decide they have a vacancy where only you will be considered Well when I was unemployed I hired a car for the day, went round to about 10 companies telling them what I had done and that I was after work and got 3 job offers. Only people who have never tried the direct approach spout off about recruitment processes and correct procedures etc. Obviously there are some companies that this wont work with but there are also a lot it will! |
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^ - mind you was 20 years ago now so maybe times have changed ?
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still works like that in certain industries Hype especially sales related.
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also loads of generalisations in assumptions on this thread, each firm will have different beliefs which may or may not be influenced by individuals dependant on recruitment policy.
For example the company i work for would look on a travel experience as a plus, especially in recently quailified graduates. |
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Things are very different when the economy is booming and people are desperate for staff, CV blemishes are overlooked. When I ran my own company in better times, I'd pretty much take anyone who was keen and had a bit of an aptitude for what I did. I couldn't be fussy as there wasn't a huge amount of applicants. But in the recent past, jobs in my industry were very rare and the amount of applicants for each job was very high, so things are very different. Employers can be very fussy in the circumstances.
And having a 3 month sabbatical or doing VSO work will probably be viewed more positively than somebody who has sacked off a decent job to sit on a beach or play poker for 2 years. But I'd say it is definitely looking up in a lot of industries and before I found my most recent job, I started getting way more interviews/possible jobs than I had just 6 months earlier. But I wouldn't go so far as to start having a go at people who aren't working. |
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With travelling, in your experience that was the case doobs. In my case I don't think it was. And I don't mean heading your CV with a 'i went travelling blah blah blah.
How old were you when you went travelling? Alot do it after finishing uni and it is seen as a positive thing in my experience. To say 95% see you as a waster is a joke statement. Did you have a mid life crisis and then go travelling? ;) Maybe thats why they got that impression from yourself. |
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And I've done poker and travelling and still got a decent job this december just gone, without experience in that field may i add. So going my perspective alone as you have done, there are loads of jobs around and you don't need any experience, which is of course a load of tripe.
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Simon, I suspect you were rather lucky to get the job tbh. WD though.
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or what soap said :)
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I went when I was 29. I think a year off to sit on a beach is viewed positively by those who have been, or want to go and pretty badly by most of the rest. But it is a long while ago now, and pretty easy to hide on the CV. I'd just say that if something can have a negative connotation, you don't want to put it on if you don't have to.
Hence hobbies, poker, travelling and age don't feature. But I guess if you are young and have done nothing else for the last 5 years you may struggle to hide it. |
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Cheers wahey, yeah I was lucky because it's a decent job. And if they thought I was a waster from my CV they would have been correct! Thing is I always knew that when I wanted to start work and was motivated to do so, I'd be a good asset to a company, and I went into the interview with that belief. I didn't apply for the job either, I put my cv online and an agency contacted me and put me forward for it.
But yeah I was abit lucky i think :) I don't know ben but travelling is a great experience in many ways, and grizzly old doobs is talking bullplop. |
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I think the travelling on CV is largely dependent on the nature of job your going for. If it is in a professional environment it is seen in better terms. I guess this is because it is seen as an overall positive, and also that you have got it out of your system. Perhaps also that the people you are talking to have done it/want to do it also. I found this to be the case in engineering/construction and know it to be the case in legal and surveying industries. I used to vet CV's and would always look at the timing of it. For example if someone finised uni and did 4 years in industry then took a year out and returned to industry then it looks fine. If someone did 8 months, left for a year, returned for 6 months and was now looking to change sectors then it would look a little suspect. I also know a lot of people who return to uk to get any old job to get the cash to go off again, and I presume that employers in these fields are aware of that, perhaps that is where the difference lies?
Poker can work two ways I suppose, and I guess is largely how you can sell it as a positive. I would prefer to leave it off my CV and consider discussing it at interview, whereas the travelling I would have no issue with putting it on CV. With regards to CV gaps, in general. If you have one solid break then put something in, perhaps leave it open to curiosity, like simple saying sabatical, and sell it well at interview. If you have many gaps of differing lengths then reformatting the CV without dates is probably a better way to go. |
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As someone who has spent an unfortunate amount of time reading CVs and interviewing candidates over the years, rejecting someone on the basis that they had been travelling would be idiotic. No competent manager would do that.
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ben if you ever fancy living in hartlepool, which i wouldnt reccommend, i can get you a 12.5k job starting whenever you want.
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I have a years gap from when I went travelling and have never had any kind of problem getting work, I did do temp work whilst I was away which I guess must help.
I was unemployed for 3 months after getting made redundant. Couldn't be bothered working and was playing lots of poker, got bored, applied for 6 jobs, got 3 offers and was working within 2 weeks of applying. This was September 2008, if I'd left it 3 months longer I very much doubt it would have been so easy finding work. |
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FFS, all you got to do is say you worked in the family business, sales, retail or last ditch takeway, it really isn't that hard!
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BlufDaddy 07 Jan 22:25
As someone who has spent an unfortunate amount of time reading CVs and interviewing candidates over the years, rejecting someone on the basis that they had been travelling would be idiotic. No competent manager would do that. bluf do yourself a favour, cant you say anything that dosn't make you sound mental, best to say nothing if all you can do is brag, next time you post, ask yourself does this read like i'm bragging? if so dont post it then people might not think your mad. dont see you bragging too much about the $4 HU you are playing now, must be hard for one of the best players in europe, cant believe you** lenny for playing small stakes while you do the same, pot kettle and black springs to mind. good luck for the new year, stay off the drugs , try not to be horrible and set a target for the year, try to get one person to like you. gl |
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lol
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bethammer 08 Jan 00:05
BlufDaddy 07 Jan 22:25 As someone who has spent an unfortunate amount of time reading CVs and interviewing candidates over the years, rejecting someone on the basis that they had been travelling would be idiotic. No competent manager would do that. bluf do yourself a favour, cant you say anything that dosn't make you sound mental, best to say nothing if all you can do is brag, next time you post, ask yourself does this read like i'm bragging? if so dont post it then people might not think your mad. dont see you bragging too much about the $4 HU you are playing now, must be hard for one of the best players in europe, cant believe you **** lenny for playing small stakes while you do the same, pot kettle and black springs to mind. good luck for the new year, stay off the drugs , try not to be horrible and set a target for the year, try to get one person to like you. gl How little success must you have acheived in life to consider that a brag? How was xmas? I heard you started crying in front of mates about this being your first xmas without your wife. Fancy 10 x $100 HU SNG? |
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lol, 4 years since we split ,up, and yes i had a lovely christmas, had my daughter over and spent christmas with good friends, so funny that line about crying in front of friends. never cried in my life, and i suspect you could never cry infront of friends as you have none. good luck.
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i suspected you was bragging because you were typing.
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thread taken to a different level now
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Im sure you cried bet when hangman took us to that nice indian after wsop and i knocked the whole bottle of wine over within 1 min of being seated ;)
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Joffy you always liked a good wine ;)
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Well Craig had cashed well and it was a fine wine all over the table and everyone close ;). Think I had one to many on the rails that dayl
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Why don't you get a job in a factory or a warehouse job for leading supermarket retailer, you don't need qualifications or experience and they normally pay £17K+ with pension etc
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This has been one classic thread - I just want to add my two pence worth - what people say about getting a job is right - if you really want to get work you can.. simple really - its all about your own drive - blaming rubbish like I try and I went for this and I went for that is just an excuse. I wouldnt give one if you was just to front up and say I cant be bothered to work! I worked in supermarket at 16 working up through ranks until I had my own store, 10 years I did this - had several stores - worked every hour god sends. Once did a 36 hour straight shift cause of major issues - In the end after years of only taking 2 one week holidays a year I was fookd - a shell, a gave everything to the firm and when I thought about it got nothing back - I thought at the end of it all Im gonna work myself to the bone, miss my kids growing up and walk away with a plastic watch - So I woke up one morning after 10 years and never went back - this was 4 years ago - I didnt know what I was gonna do, had to start selling my stuff on Ebay to pay bills, then a friend gave me a few vintage cameras - I listed these and for some reason I started to buy and sell old cameras - I knew nothing about them at the time - since then I have sold over 10000 units, if I feel lazy and cant be bothered I can still clear 60 grand a year clear profit, if I push myself I can make 150-200.000 k profit a year - what Im saying is it dont matter who you are or what you know you just have to have the drive to make money... and dont be a mug dont work for anyone, begging for wages of some company who dont give two s**ts about you - now I really dont know why I have waffled on all this cr*p - I guess I have smoked to much today, :-) p.s. if you ever need an old camera, lens or anything photographic let me know.. or indeed if you have anything like that you want to sell :-)
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Spam...
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