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I think yr getting a bit carried away. dont forget shortly before Froome was looking like he'd cracked and dropped to the back of the group. It always looks v impressive when a guy attacks off the front but usually soon after they get picked up again by the rest of the group and i expect thats what wudda happened if froome had kept going.
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p.s. wiggo bt froome in the TT so i dunno why u say he's 2nd best??
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i take it you know cycling very well and don't just watch the TDF and other big events?
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I would suggest you guys don;t know much saying that Froome would have been picked up easily. Nibali, VDB and Wiggo were goosed when Froome kicked off the front today (hence why gap opened). I would have been very very surprised if Froome didn;t take at least a minute off them today.
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If that was the case then surely he would have @ least nabbed 2nd
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'at least a minute' lol.
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the main reason for Sky's success has been they've targeted the tour and identified Wiggins as their best chance of winning it, if Froome decided to do his own thing all of a sudden (which just isnt going to happen) he'd also lose the support of the rest of the Sky team.
As others have said he struggled at times in the climb today and Wiggins took the front, cycling is a team sport. Wiggins has looked good so far so why change things especially when he has over a 2 min lead and a TT to come at the end, it would be crazy and stupid to change things now when they're in such a strong position, if something does happen to Wiggins they have Froom nicely placed in 2nd. |
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dont like the sky train monopoly on this tour,sign of the times i guess,hope some other teams attack them in next few stages and shake it wide open,as its too predictable atm imo.
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Froome's attack was a bit naughty really
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It's a team sport for christ sake and the leader is Wiggins because he's the best time trialer. They will win as they are and they are all paid great wages to cycle as a team, Froome will get his chance for GC.
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Froome may be sky leader for 2013 tour if Wiggo isnt bothered about defending. If he does defend Froome will prob be leader for 2014. He'll be 29 then so perfect age to win first tour
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Just cant see Brad(or anyone winning 1st tour) not wanting to defend title.
Would imagine Froome will need to move to another outfit & have a team built around him. |
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You guys have clearly watched a different stage from me today. You have a lot more confidence in Wiggins' climbing abilities than me
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Sky planned for 2012 Tour around Wiggins so cant see them changing plans now, they might let Froome go for a few Stage wins, he was possibly looking for the stage win today when he attacked only to be told to stick with Wiggins to cement lead over Evans. Doubtful that Froome would have reached Rolland anyhow.
Froome is still young at 27 as others have said, there is time, although i see no reason why he couldnt be the leader at one of the other Grand Tours. |
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If Froome wasn't working day in day out for Wiggings, how much more energy would he have in the tank? A lot, I imagine. Feeling a bit sorry for him that he can't ride on his merits. Deserves to lead a team.
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i wouldn't say he's done any more work in this tour than wiggo has really
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Are you having a larf?
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No. He hasnt done any work on the front in the flat stages and most of the time in the hills he's been in the sky train. its only been for a few short periods he's actually been towing wiggins and when yr going fairly slowly uphill the advantage of being sat behind is pretty minimal.
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Would be interesting next week if Wiggins' lead came under serious threat from the other contenders? Would Sky let Froome attack if it looked like Bradley W might lose the tour? To be honest though the mountain stages don't look tough enough to put BW under real pressure.
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Froome has been at the front anytime it has got seriously hard going uphill. And he has had to dictate and to respond to attacks at the business end of these stages. Wiggins just has had to follow his wheel. Even if they are going slower uphill,as you say, this represents a huge saving of energy for Wiggins both physical and mental imo.
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Wow ... there is some naivety here. Just because Froome has a kick uphill on the steep stuff it doesn't make him as good as Wiggins over a three week tour. Froome can tt, but not as well as Brad and over 100km of tt the time gap would be significant. Brad's training numbers on Teide have always been better than Chris'. If they had not have been, Brailsford would have picked Chris to lead.
Froome has a kick uphill ... whoopy-do. Look at the whole picture. |
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...and Froome is 'dragging' Wiggins uphill because that is his job.
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to be fair there's obviously not a lot between wiggins and froome and you could argue that froome is capable of beating wiggins in a grand tour. but wiggins is 32 and froome is 27 so it makes sense for the sake of team harmony to have wiggo as the leader and win his tour. froome has time on his side to be the no.1 in the next few years.
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People's views on Froome here are not necessarily or solely based on the 'kick' demonstrated today, it is condescending to suggest that they are.
And yes, of course it is Froomes job to drag Wiggins uphill, no one has suggested otherwise. Why resort to the condescending accusations of 'naivey'? Try and at least be polite on here and respect other people. |
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* last post directed at HoD
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this really is a non-story. if you had offered froome 2nd place in the tour behind wiggo at the start he'd have bitten yr hand off
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I think the story is that Froome, in his first ever TdF attempt, and despite working very hard and unselfishly for his team leader, is second in GC, looks a class act and is a serious contendor in the future. Especially when future Tours favour climbers ahead of TT specialists.
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he did ok in the last TT!
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Indeed.
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after all this he'll probably blow up in the pyranees and lose 5 minutes lol
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Non-story ?? - Its the main story of the Tour.
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Wouldn't be surprised if he does blow up tbf , given his workload.
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I was polite! Clay uses the word 'clearly' twice in the opening thread. I believe this is erroneous and demonstrates a naivety; it is far from clear. There is no way of comparing the two riders in mountain stages because both riders are doing what they have been told - Brad did crack in Vuelta for well documented reasons (lack of altitude training following broken collarbone). Today, the reason Froome attacked was down to the crowd noise; he heard Sean's radio message of "slow" as "go". Amusing, heh? Perhaps the only time you can compare them in competition is time trials. Wiggins leads 5 to 1. The one that Froome won was Vuelta last year (at altitude in 37 degrees where Brad openly admits he went out too quickly).
The fact remains that Wiggins is leader not on age or seniority but because his training numbers are better. I think a few pundits get carried away because of Froome doing such a tremendous job. Wiggins dragging the entire peloton round for the final lap in Denmark last year was immense. Ozy - I do respect others but when you have contradictory views you have to be contradictory. I try to argue my point of view with facts and reasoned argument (as you have possibly seen in my other copious posts) but respect has to end somewhere when another's opinions are untenable. I have not resorted to name calling but I do believe that some of the comments above are naive ... but I respect all the posters as human beings who have an equal right to post and equal footing in the world. If i want to shun modern religion and pray to the big purple fluggy monster, I am sure you will respect my views on religion. Peace and love......and athesism. |
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Handbrakes are rubbish on push bikes .... they just fall over. Loosen the brake blocks instead!!
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I didn't appreciate that your 'naivety' jab was directed at the original post...there was nothing to suggest in your post that it was.
And as regards the suggestion that Froome is clearly superior to Wiggins, someone with your knowledge of cycling, frankly doesn't need to bother defending that in detail. The statement was 'clearly' either provocative or ill informed. Or both. But it did serve to initiate a discussion on how impressive Froome has been to date. Are you American out of interest? |
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What is the story with Sean Yates btw? He doesn't seem to be able to speak well or clearly. Are there health issues?
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If i want to shun modern religion and pray to the big purple fluggy monster, I am sure you will respect my views on religion.
You eejit HoD. Everyone knows that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true God, and that pirates are His acolytes. |
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well interesting discussion...
i will say that people that keep talking of time trialling and its complete importance to the tour have not watched a lot of tour de france's... yes they are a very important part of the tour but they don't give you the keys to the yellow jersey...competence to be a good a good time trialist are very important and integral part of the tour but the mountains is where the tour is won and for me this race is starting to be tarred by the fact chris froome is unable to race for the jersey... yes he works for the team and wiggo is the leader but the public are being denied seeing a great champion being born imo he (froome)lost 1 and 1/2 minutes with a puncture on a flat stage and then we have just seen him give wiggins his wheel for 2 important stages of the tour...others can argue what they will but for me bradley wiggins is just an average climber and always will be.... think it is just a shame that we are being denied seeing froomes serious talent and is tarnishing the tour for me... yes wiggins will probably win but he will never be known, for the man who went and won it up the mountain...he is living behind froome... today froome could of buried him and clawed back the time i have no doubt as he would of done when giving wiggins and evans his wheel for the last 3km of the first important stage... argue what you will but it is disappointing as a spectacle for me... |
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watched today. CF was at the back for a long time in the Sky train.
His time will come Ullrich and Lemond won the best prize having to do an apprentice role. The later 3 times |