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Sky should let the handbrake off Chris Froome
Sky should let the handbrake off Chris Froome
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Are they going to allow doping then next year?
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Ex dopers allowed providing they bring better masking agents.
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Rumours of an ITT on Mont Ventoux next year - Froome might take the decisions out of SKY's hands.
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Froome certainly has nothing to complain about. He had a number of teams interested in him after the Vuelta but he chose to sign a two year contract to play Wiggo's ****.
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F@g as in public schoolboy parlance. This betfair political correctness **** really ****s me off.
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Sounds like Brad didnt want to let him off the leash which is dissapointing.
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Tainted tour
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ok maybe i was a bit harsh but annoying that we cant discuss a subject without resorting to ar5ey remarks.
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Tainted tour
Couldn't agree more, what with the drugs scandals that have happened this year, well said. |
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Froome very disrespectful looking round today showing off.He is a number 2 does he have to keep reminding everybody how good he is.Wiggins is too nice standing for this nonsense imagine what Lance would have said and done to such an egotistical domestique probably put a minute into him on a later climb,Its killing Froome that Wiggins is going to be the first british winner and next year with Contador back he may get run over lets hope so.
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agree gom
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In fairness to Froome all he was looking for was the signal to go & win the stage which listening to the interviews he never got.
Brad was too busy thinking about himself. |
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Wiggins said things like "we were in bits n the final climb" - really? Valverde started the climb 2 mins clear and held it for most of the climb, until Pinaut and Froome put the foot down.
Hardly flying up the climbs. Wiggo would get smashed if there were decent climbers in the race |
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yep,the race needed better climbers for sure, a clean Contador and Andy Schleck eg.
Maybe then we would not have had the most boring mountain stages that i can recall!! Hats off to Sky,they got it right,and deserve victory,and great for England of course. But the race itself- boring! |
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yep,the race needed better climbers for sure, a clean Contador and Andy Schleck eg.
Maybe then we would not have had the most boring mountain stages that i can recall!! Hats off to Sky,they got it right,and deserve victory,and great for England of course. But the race itself- boring! |
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the sky train would destroy schleck and (a clean) contador
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geoff m
19 Jul 12 16:50 Joined: 23 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 4,160 | Blogger: geoff m's blog Ex dopers allowed providing they bring better masking agents. brilliant  |
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thats your opinion Sir Denis-fair enough,i totally disagree.
hopefully next year we will find out who is right. One thing i do know,Schleck is a far better climber that any of Skys rivals this year.So is a clean Contador imo,although not so sure as Schleck. |
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Only chance A Schleck has is if one of the ITTs is mountains.
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talking about the mountains not his chance of winning,think we all know his weakness at time trialling.
Although to be fair he actually now has a win in the race. |
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lol the wiggins doubters
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great ride by Froome
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better by Wiggo
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Froome is admitting Wiggo is better: "As we saw he's [Brad] stronger than me," said Froome. "I'm very happy. The [Team Sky] goal this year was to win the Tour with Bradley. To be second is an added plus."
Brailsford, Yates obviously knew it too. The whole might of Team Sky won't convince a few doubters though ..... |
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HoD,
Agree. The strength of Sky not only put Brad in a very commanding position but also Froome. Reading this thread it seems like some think Brad has had the help of a whole team, whilst Froome has done it himself. Part of me wonders if roles had been different within Sky, Porte or Rogers in Froomes 2nd in command role, whether Porte/Rogers would have been up there like Froome. On more than one occasion Skys teamwork meant their nearest rivals got isolated, whilst Froome and Wiggins were still left and able to work together against rivals. When Nibali attacked on stage17(? maybe 16), both Wiggins and Froome worked in tandem to reel him back, leaving both stronger than Nibali when they caught him and able to ride away from him late on. No doubting that Froome is talented, but Brad was better this Tour, and both benefitted from being in the strongest team. Chapeau Brad. Chapeau Chris. Chapeau Cav, EBH, Porte, Rogers, Knees, Bernie, Sivtsov. |
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Clays vision still misted.
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3 times Froome sat up and waited for Brad on Thursday. Distant memory eh guys? God only knows how much time Froome would've taken off Brad in the mountains if he had constantly attacked.
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Wiggins has won the tour because of his time trialling,and his ability to climb well enough to keep the time gap gained in the TT.
As for whose the best climber,hard to say for sure unless they ride against each other,but i would suspect that Froome would have the edge. If we have less TT next year,maybe we will find out more. I do think a fair point is that Froome as well as wiggins gained a lot cos of the work done by the rest of the team in the mountains,that has to be considered. |
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Froome is clearly a stronger climber but Wiggins detractors are looking at a Froome acceleration and extrapolating that to him riding that pace all the way up the hill. Not happening.
Wiggins will never have an explosive turn of pace up a climb but he'll ride tempo up them all day long. Thus, the most damage Froome would do on a climb is going to be a minute here, a minute there. He's not going to put five minutes into the bloke. With 100km of time trialling in this years tour it's hardly a foregone conclusion either way. In a future tour with more mountains, it's entirely feasible Sky will build a team round Froome but given the magnitude of the achievement for British cycling you can hardly blame Sky for taking the safest bet this time round. It in no way denigrates Wiggins achievement either. It's not like the plan changed in the race. Before the tour everybody knew what they were going to do and detractors were scoffing. "They won't be able to control the race, Wiggins will crack etc." And now that none of those have happened there has to be something else wrong instead. |
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How could a team be a strong one unless at least some of the riders were almost as good as the team leader? What use would they be? As such, a degree of confusion about the team members' relative merits becomes inevitable.
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Good point Laroche.
Also worth pointing out that Wiggins would have won TdF with no timetrials this year ... remove all the time he made on them ... and he still wins!! Froome's mechanical on St1 would have made a difference to GC then too! However, they never raced up a single mountain against each other; we'll never know what would have happened. CF's acceleraton v BW's metronomic grinding. |
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Froome is a far better climber. I hope this helps
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Talk of an ITT up Mont Ventoux next year. That would be some stage and after a limp tour for lovers of mountain stages the organizers may well have something special lined up next time. Hope so as it would be a proper test like the Alpe d'Huez in 2004. Then we'd see who is the best in the mountains.
Anyway, well done Brad. No doubt he was the best rider in the race this year and his fantastic achievement will bring him deserved and enduring fame. Have you ever seen the yellow jersey lead out a team mate on the Champs-Elysees like Brad did today? I haven't. |
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think if they had gone into the mountains without TT's,then we would have had a totally different scenario and a different attitude amongst the riders.
stupid to say wiggins would still have won,imo of course. |
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I don;t like ITT in mountains to be honest. True climbers can quicken. ITT is all about steady pace
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I don't like the idea of ITT's in the mountains, defeats the purpose really. However, given it's the 100th race next year and the somewhat questionable parcours for 2012 then I expect 2013 will have a lot more mountain top finishes.
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resding this, it would appear Clay has done his conkers laying Wiggo.
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*reading
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It's a pity Froome lost 1m 25s in stage 1, because of the flat tyre. He would have been only 42s behind higgins after the first time trail, and maybe he would have been given greater freedom in the mountain stages to possibly win the tour.
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