Dj the guy is a total weirdo believe me, the only trainer that ever decides he has to saddle all his horses, any half trained ape can sadlle a horse?, straight away alarm bells are ringing total weirdo?

The only trainer who use to jump in and out of a 4X4 at Newmarket thinking somehow this nutjob was going to a make a difference by going down to the start and tell the very experienced stall staff how to do their job?.

When I seen that I lost every bit of respect I had for this guy, I knew there and then we were dealing with a guy full of his own importance not to mention serious metal issues.

And when he went down to the Curragh start to tell the Curragh stall handlers how to do their job and insist that he himself will shove George Washington into the stalls rubber stamped for me that we are dealing with a total nutjob?.

A good friend of mine who does stall handling at the Curragh said he and many other stall handlers wanted to plant him there and then, go figure?

All that you have suggested there just describes his minute attention to detail which is why he is brilliant at what he does.

From a personality point of view,I have never spoken to him but I know someone who deals with him on a regular basis and what you have described couldn't be further from the truth.He is apparently modest,genuine and extremely hard working which would fit in with his upbringing.

What is the point in repeating the same opinions thread after thread,you're worse than the Catholic Church and I am definitely not signing up to this cult.

mental issues ozy? because I don't succumb to the usual sheep like point of view, except everything as fact without ever questioning it?

not a sheep, Greaser, more like a parrot, repeating the same stuff every day.

Dj lets put it this way I think the guy is a total fake, the noddy head and the shy exterior hides a multitude believe me!.

all I know his well bred horses are often brilliant with what they do!

Henry Cecil hardly had anything to do with the training of Frankel as he was in the heights of that horrible disease cancer, in and out of hospital, but the horse never lost its ability I wonder why?

drugs??

Actually bigwill I think I answered that question before?, how come Tony, Margaret, and Tom can't do the same as Willie when you consider I bet your bottom dollar they all train their horse the same as Paddy thought them to?

Funny JR but where not dealing with singing voices here its inherited, a horse trainer never inherited a horses ability.

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I'll just say this on the matter.......It's true that if you gathered a group of kids in a playground and told them to run 50 yrds the Athlete among them would finish in front and the kid

with the knobbly knees would be last.....no amount of training will change that...you can't put in what God has left out.

However the best trainers will take that Athlete and get the best out of him......train him to his FULL potential........seems simple doesn't it.....just because a trainer does well with

a horse does not mean he has trained him to his Full potential........i'll leave you to mull over that for a while.

Not sure you've fully grasped the point of my post Silver.

Ah....Ah that's the tricky bit.....

If a trainer surrounds himself with the right people it can be made look that way at least. I'm somewhere in the middle on this one, I have no doubt it isn't as nuanced as some make out, but it isn't easy either.

not sure what a trainer myth is, scott dixon excellent shrewd trainer, askaud got the double the other day sir geoffery
another juicy winner for this smart outfit at 12/1. ismail mohammed all his horses seem to win, especially mubtadi
latest trainer that has come to my attention is charlie hills, son of barry hills, looks to have some good horses and knows
how to train them, amanda perret what a money spinner she has been at goodwood unbeliveble. cant be just luck and good horses.
dispels the myth. trainers who know what they are doing, prove this time and time again with good results.

Aidan O'Brien is a spoofer and a bluffer who has no problem misleading the public. He is a disingenuous character who cannot be taken seriously. He tries to give the impression that he is holier than thou when in fact, he is a master of deceit.  If he was to leave Ballydoyle tomorrow do you really think that the whole operation would cave in? He is the most disingenuous trainer in the country. Anyone could do the job he is doing. It is a pity so many people on here cant see the wood from the trees.

Silvergreaser,

I remember the thread about the improvement made by some relatively ordinary handicappers after joining the Willie Mullins stable.I think the average improvement in ratings was in excess of 20 lbs for the horses listed.These are not blue blood Coolmore type thoroughbreds just ordinary NH pedigrees.

You might remind us of your explanation for the improvement as I cannot recall you coming up with one.These horses came from a variety of different trainers so it will be interesting to see how your trainer doesn't matter theory can explain it.

Ypu might try to stick with the facts in yout answer and not cast aspertions on the trainer by making unfounded sweeping statements mentioning drugs and contaminated feed.Also if possible could you answer the question directly and not go off on tangents involving other family members.

Silver Tolmi is right, this is a rehash of a thread from about a year ago,Tony Tom or Margeret haven,t for one the numbers of Willie and two the class of horse,and three owners with deep pockets,actually between them haven,t many horses at all,think this the same reply i gave you then.

Not the type of analogy I would use bigwill, football is a team sport, players of varying degrees of ability blended together to play for each other, of course some managers are better than others and have different methods of training and can get the best out of an average bunch of players.

Horses are individuals with varying degrees of abilty their is no trainer on earth can make a chronically slow horse win a horse race, when you consider virtually everyone of them just gallop them to get them fit for a horse race and if the horse has ability then all the better even!.

Horse feed sorts itself out, and if the horse is showing signs of distress then you call in the vet to sort that out, other than that what exactly does a trainer actually do, maybe try and pick the right race for his average charges or if the horse is very good the races almost pick themselves.

the man utd comparison is relevant silver.apob and wpm are managers as well as trainers.jeez i dunno why im even arguing with you your so far off the wall.you say"anyone could do the job apob or wpm are doing".if you believe that ?..remember a few seasons ago niall quinn took over managing sunderland.not too many eyebrows were raised..former top experienced player he should do ok etc.he was a disaster.he just couldnt do the job properly.do you think if say p rothwell c swan or m hourigan took over at wpms that all would go smoothly?!?..ill leave the reply up to ur self.