The Trainer Myth?

Sorry, I'm just going to stop you there, Greaser and ask you to blow into this bag, please.

I don't know Greaser.  Possibly a combination of better facilities, better staff, better gallops, better judgement, more evolved ideas, better scientific knowledge, better technology, more experience, better horses to train alongside, access to better jockeys (btw I don't want to get you started on that topic).

Let's say you were a thoroughbred.  Would you want Borneo whispering sweet nothings in your ear every morning, filling your head with nonsense, feeding you cabbage, living in his kitchen and lapping his orchard for exercise or would you want to be under the care of Keen Leader at his salubrious stables?

Now the main thing here is, you have already made up your mind on this subject and you won't be swayed, so here isn't much room for debate.  You have had a skinful , so the best thing you can do is have a mug of tae and head for the bed.

I assume we start from scratch here ?..O.K...We've agreed on that , so far so good eh Silvergreaser ...Now getting into action , the facts are , no matter how well bred a horse is , Nobody and i mean nobody knows anything about his ability till they get him on the gallops..So he does a little lunging trotting etc , then after he's shown that hes well enough and strong enough , they take him and do a few gentle canters , building him up so he'll be able to do a few light canters ..then when the feel hes ready , he'll do a little light gallop , after a couple of weeks of this , he might be ready for a little work , not to much mind , his bones are still very weak , lets say he passes on all points and is deemed ready to do some strong work ...then and only then , will a trainer catch a real glimpse of the horses potential ...he will increase his work load accordingly ..Having established that he is able for it the trainer will have a
organised gallop with horses who may have already won ..Making sure not to over do it ...If the horse proves equal to the task the Trainer knows he has a useful tool on his hands , and will map out a race plan accordingly....hth....

Let him be getting on with that for the minute ...Time for some leonard    Cohen....

Ozy maintained Id drink in me, sorry ozy I was minding my granddaughter tonight, who will not for the world of her sleep, so I got out of the bed and went for another cup of coffee and when I looked in she was snoring, this a half hour ago, jesus about time, I wanted to sleep two hours ago and now she has me wide awake?

Workrider I presume most half decent trainers do the same thing?, what makes Aidan the messiah stand out?. the bottom line is he doesn't stand out, he's only as good as his next good horse, and if its a Coolmore bred its hardly going to be too bad now is it?

Oh some really good trainers out there are tearing their hair out just to have 10% of what the pious one has?.

not at all in fact if I had all those luxuries mp06 I was would switch off altogether.

Silvergreaser.........I suggest you take a trip to a trainer who trains winners and one who does not. You will get your answer fairly lively.

Why do you think Aidan OBrien was head hunted by Coolmore.

Jim Bolger acknowledged him as a hard working genius.

Why did the Joe Crowley stable which was small and trained a few winners a year turned into the best stable in Ireland after he arrived.

Greaser, are u suggesting that if a Traner really was a 'genius' then all his horses would win everything?

As for Bolger and Aidan I'd say they were a match made in HEAVEN? forgive the pun, Aidan would be the ideal pupil for Bolgers pious clean living.

Oh how Aidan wears his pioneer badge with pride, the type of people I despise, somehow their pious ways make them feel superior.

One non drinking publican and politician once said the most contented man he ever met was a guy with drink in him, he would say that now wouldnt he considering its his livelihood? but there is an element of truth in that, now I don't mean the guy who falls on the floor gets up and drinks more.

2 names that prove the theory that the Trainer makes the horse.

1. Henry Cecil:  A genius in the 90's, lost his way after his illness and personal issues, when he got his act together in the mid noughties proved to all what a genius he was.

2. Tom Taffee: A gifted trainer who wasted his talent. Got a kick in the hole from his Wife (by his own admission) in the early noughties and trained a Gold Cup winner and a stream of Winners. Reverted to type after and look at him now


Rest my case

Lustrumm will think I am getting after him for other reasons,I am not but jings Tom Taaffe a gifted trainer       an absolute imposter.

That's all he has,his training of Kicking King was exemplary but when you look at the money that was spent on horses in his care and the lack of success,even now he has some great owners,he has Mrs Haye and have no doubt he will sour them too.

He wasn,t a mare

I knew a lad who's father had a number of horses with him described pretty much as Wildman and a few others have on here have.

Well can we word it this way that successful horse trainers are way overrated and their horses underated?

Almost any trainer can train a horse with ability, I still haven't got an answer as to what these so called super trainers bring to the table, apart from training extremely well bred horses?, I'm all ears again?

boring and repetitive? but I still haven't got a definitive answer?

O'Brien copied Martin Pipes training method, run them hard uphill, he didn't exactly revolutionize Irish racing, he was just a copy cat?

silver your like a broken record.you know a bit about racing but your ideas about apob and wpm are just plain wrong.the reason they are are so succesful is that they are the best.apob proved himself in the nh game with very modest horses and most people would say hes the best flat trainer in the world.as far as bolger weld and oxx are concerned its the same.the cream rises to the top.why is rich ricci using wpm?because hes the best.its not because he thinks hes a nice fella!!