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By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 22 Jan 12 12:15
Norn managed to do what I have been advocating in previous posts and failed to do yesterday: take a chance on an unexposed pointer when the price is right. Waterunder (mentioned on 17-Jan) would have been a slight disappointment in his bumper but connections wasted no time sending him hurdling and at 14/1 was a generous price. I’m not beating myself up entirely as I am not betting at present in any meaningful way until I feel a horse “earns” my USC-less cash.

Minella Special (8-Jan) received an official 7lb swing against Chesil Beach Boy at Wincanton yesterday which turned into a swing of 15lbs once claims were accounted for. He was well-backed to turn the tables. Minella Special was beaten by exactly the same distance by the same horse over the same course and distance two weeks ago and a stone in weight failed to make a difference to the result. Go figure! Minella Special will get more poundage for this but perhaps over a slightly longer trip (two-miles never came near his radar in Ireland) and on slightly better ground he may surely get his chance to win.

I was pleased to see Mullins run long odds-on Marasonnien in the opener at Naas yesterday as it gave a few horses the ideal opportunity to hide and I think it will be a race that will produce some winners over time. It’s worth a further look in my opinion.

theboyfrommatebeleland: Mordin’s column every week is lifted directly from his website and this hasn’t been updated since 2nd January. It’s typical of the paper that no mention is made of the absence a similar comment that applies to the Kevin Blake occasional articles. He’s the current tipping champion and hardly gets a look in.

Apart from the Mordin (who can be a real fruitcake at times) absence, my take on yesterday’s Irish Field was the Donn McClean column (the, at times mis-named, “Five Things We Learned From Last Week”) and it’s commentary on the Victor Chandler Chase. In essence, it made a very good case to take on both Finian’s Rainbow and Al Ferof-advice that proved spot on. However, McClean had been very keen on Somersby as an each-way punt in the King George previously (as he told all and sundry on Newstalk) and I was keeping an eye out for his particular words of wisdom on this race yesterday, particularly concerning the winner. In the event we got the lay angle rather than positive words on any alternative runner with a summation of: “In what is a good each-way race, the value surely lies in taking on the front pair.” I suspect IF readers only got half the story this weekend from the don. (In fairness to Ian Carnaby, he found the winner).

Catch Me: Massini Lotto holds high rank on my list of unraced 4yo maiden winners from spring 2011. Although the dam has yet to throw anything of note she is an unraced half-sister to four hurdle winners. Massini Lotto beat Hold Court (Philip Fenton for John Power and now with Evan Williams) by 2L at Athlacca in May and Hold Court has won two bumpers impressively since-only starts. Massini Lotto’s handler was (and may still be?) Kieran Purcell and he rates well up there in my book. He spoke of the horse as bumper material after his victory and it's worth noting his two runs in points have been on good ground; Dr Massini's seem to be adaptable ground-wise. If you are looking for further evidence to follow this horse it might come from the 2009 winner of this race being Al Ferof!
By:
theboyfrommatebeleland
When: 22 Jan 12 16:49
Cheers Royal
I hope Mordin's ok.
By the way weren't you owned by Classic Thoroughbreds-the original Ponzi scheme?
There's a scenic P2P in the North next Saturday at Tyrella 1 mile from where NORN lives if across the bay.If its a nice day by far the most beautiful setting-bring a camera- but if the rain and wind arrive-just lets say Napoleon had more fun retreating from Moscow.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 22 Jan 12 16:58
Massini Lotto is half owned by Mr PM Tayor and in the care of JJ Quinn (see my thread pmt's 'RECESSION PROOF' on the Chelt.2012 forum).


Lucky Owner pmt - "that's the 7th big handicap hurdle John has won for me over the last 5 years. crow wood ; john smiths at Musselbrugh, and elite at Wincanton, kings quay john smiths at aintree, summer hurdle at Market rasen,Elite hurdle at wincanton. leslingtaylor swinton at Haydock now recession proof" (Totesport at Newbury).
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 23 Jan 12 21:26
Baby Shine (2006 King’s Theatre mare) Lucy Wadham

Leicster (soft) 2.40pm 2m 4yo+ mares’ novices’ hurdle 6, 11-02 Leighton Aspell


I mentioned this mare last week in the context of Distime with both winning a division of the 4yo maiden run at Kilsheelan in October 2010. As I said previously, I cannot locate another mare over the past four years who managed to beat the geldings in a 4yo maiden.
She joined Newmarket trainer, Lucy Wadham, and had a very successful start to her career winning  bumpers at Southwell and Huntingdon and placing in two listed bumpers at Sandown and Aintree from just four starts. All her runs to date have been in mares’ events.
She has a lovely pedigree being out of a winning bumper and hurdling Phardante mare (closely related to Mouse Morris’s good jumper Belvederian) and is a half-sister to the good mare Coolgreaney who was a very good servant to Sean Treacy, winning five times over 2m-2m3f.
She runs for the first time over hurdles tomorrow and I have just watched an interview with Lucy Wadham where she stated in relation to Baby Shine that she will start off in mares’ novice events, is a fantastic jumper, is very excited about her and hopes she will take connections to the better class meetings. She also expressed the opinion that the mare is adaptable ground-wise and is likely to enjoy trips up to 2m4f. I think she likes her!

She gets weight from three previous winners tomorrow and with my track record is bound to be backed off the board! She is likely to vie for favouritism with Ben Case’s Tempest River, recent winner of a Hereford novices’ hurdle (OR 110) and who beat Baby Shine by 11L in the listed Aintree mares’ bumper last spring. Baby Shine has a 10lb swing in her favour tomorrow.  Looking at the three previous winners one might anticipate that all three may find the step back to two miles to be against them.
Mrs Wadham’s stats with hurdling debutants on the other hand are not inspiring: only three horses (from 67 starters since 2003) have won for her on their hurdling debut and two of these were ex-flat horses. Only Brixen, who won a hurdle in October 2010 has followed the pattern of pointing and bumpers prior to his hurdling victory. She has trained 15 hurdling debutants that were beaten at under 5/1.Wadham is 2/27 with her Leicster hurdlers and Leighton Aspell has been placed on six of his seven rides for the trainer. These statistics would not instil confidence at a short price. The value could be elsewhere or only if she is an each-way price which is highly unlikely (trading at 3.25 presently).

The other race that interests me tomorrow at Leicster, purely for observational purposes, is the two-and-a-half mile novices’ hurdle due off at 1.35pm. Coincidentally, it features three of my potential dark horses that are each having their third spin over hurdles. They are Jonjo’s Merry King, Graeme McPherson’s Presented (who worked the oracle with handicapper Tickatack) and Charlie Mann’s Western King. If the trainers have any sense neither will feature at the business end and they should all acquire marks that should make them competitive in handicaps. A race to watch.

Finally, as I suspected Donn McClean’s website is celebrating the tipping of Somersby (advised 11/2) last Saturday but Irish Field readers were left short-changed. This is an obvious conflict of interest for McClean and you can make your own minds up.
By:
Fayzer
When: 23 Jan 12 22:24
RA interesting stuff highlighting McCleans service towards the Irish Field...perhaps Disservice is a better term. The Don obviously needs his public persona to drive his private online advice service for which he charges top dollar. 3 mths €495. When charging such figures its obviously required that they will recieve speicial attention, how and ever surely Don could discuss other elements of our diverse sport or maybe let the self chosen few have his thoughts 24 hours before the paper is printed.
By:
MCKENNA
When: 23 Jan 12 23:15
Don't think Donn mentioned anything about Sommersby on the radio tonight?  His rates are a bit saucy though, dont think I will be subscribingLaugh
By:
norn iron
When: 24 Jan 12 13:45
RA MERRY KING WON EASY  AND WHEN BALLYWAT GETS BETTER GROUND HE WIN WIN PLACED AT LIMAVADY AND MARALIN AND TRAVELLED WEL TIL 2 OUT .
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Jan 12 14:45
this is by far the best thread on bf..ive mad a lot of dosh off it...thanks to norn and ra..
By:
norn iron
When: 24 Jan 12 14:46
ROYAL ACADEMY WELL DONE BABY SHINE THIS COULD WELL BE VERY GOOD MARE AS WON VERY EASY
By:
norn iron
When: 24 Jan 12 14:50
KAVVIE ALL DOWN TO EXCELLENT WRITE UPS FROM ROYAL ACADEMY AND I FOR ONE WISH THE REST FORUM THREADS WOULD CONCENTRATE ON GOOD INFO LIKE ROYAL ACADEMY KEEN LEADER ALLDUC AND REST AS THEY VERY GOOD JUDGES.
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Jan 12 14:58
this one will prob be invaded by the aliens...lets hope not..ill have to return the fav to you all.i might have one for thur..im told its a good one so watch this space..thanks again
By:
norn iron
When: 24 Jan 12 15:06
Love SEE FEHILY HAS DR ROCK OVER LEIC 410 WITH NOEL ON BOARD  MIGHT HAVE SQEAK .MY FANCY EW OUTSIDE THE BOX  AND COTTAGE ACRE 340
By:
theboyfrommatebeleland
When: 24 Jan 12 15:13
Yes-day off and in the money-thanks all round.It always helps having Daryl Jacob on the jolly.
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Jan 12 16:11
looks like today isnt the day norn...32 here now..next time maybe
By:
norn iron
When: 24 Jan 12 16:38
I BACKED OUTSIDE THE BOX  33/1 REAL EYECATCHER HIT 2.54 IRShockedHAD IT WITH BALLYWAT 16/1 POOR RUN FROM COTTAGE ACRE
By:
Fayzer
When: 24 Jan 12 19:18
excellent stuff again fellas
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 24 Jan 12 22:25
Dannanceys Hill won an ordinary enough maiden last April in Kirkistown (yielding) and made a jaw-dropping £160,000 when bought by Donald McCain for one of his main patrons, Tim Leslie (owner of Overturn and Peddlers Cross), just nine days later-he cost the well-known oil baron Warren "JR" Ewing the price of a packet of **** as a yearling. The race has produced three maiden winners including hurdle winner Dawn Commander and, perhaps, most interestingly, Howaboutnow, who finished 5th and managed to win his maiden this autumn and is now with the same McCain having been acquired for£45,000 for another owner. Howabout now is already a bumper winner; Dannanceys Hill isn’t!

This is how he was advertised prior to sale:
* Was simply in a different class to his rivals at Kirkistown.
* Jumped well throughout and showed an impressive turn of foot from the second last fence.
* Came home with plenty in the tank. Has plenty of scope and a change of gear when required which will allow him to progress to the very highest level.
* From the family of Takagi and the great Mill House.


He’s a third foal (half-brother fell on only point start last April) out of an Orchestra mare who managed 2nd in a 3m Wexford maiden hurdle in 1997 from 13 starts (a full sister had placed hurdling form over the minimum trip). Dam is also a half-sister to the dam of the good 3m chaser Takagi.

The Revoque 5yo had a spin in a bumper (2m gd-soft) and hurdle (2m5f soft) in November and December, both at Uttoxeter, finishing 2nd (5/4F) and 5th (7/2).

The winner of the bumper was a half-brother to Carruthers (Coneygree-a very promising sort) and is unraced since whilst the form of the race has been upheld by third home San Telm, who achieved an RPR of126 for winning a Fakenham hurdle. (Trivia point: San Telm is trained by the fragrantly-named Renee Robeson).

Connections obviously felt a bumper required more speed than Dannanceys Hill possessed but they were surely a little disappointed with his 5th placing over an extended two-and-a-half miles on his hurdling debut. Although the winner and second have boosted the form with subsequent wins (third home second in a handicap hurdle off 111) McCain’s horse was beaten a total of 67L.

He’s probably a stayer in the making and has something to prove as of now. He runs over 2f further tomorrow and you can see where this is going:from bumper aspirant to out-and-out stayer in a few short weeks. I wonder if the market will speak in his favour tomorrow? Race details: 2.00pm Hereford (soft)


My “rules” for betting eschew taking short prices on unproven horses and, conversely, taking a chance on the self-same horses if the market is generous. The other aspect of betting is the ability to monitor the market closely for hints. Merry King went all “blue” this morning on odds-checker and was backed into 5/1 in morning skirmishes so his SP at 17/2 was quite generous. On the other hand a friend of mine managed to get the best of 3.8 about Baby Shine and she could be very good. I wonder would they ever consider running her against the geldings at Prestbury Park. I think JP had one such wonder mare a few years back although she couldn't win.
By:
JayTrumpOldTomDubbl
When: 24 Jan 12 22:58
Maybe that was Like a Butterfly, RA.....and why do I think that you may have known that.......hmm, hmmWink
By:
Distant View
When: 25 Jan 12 00:37
Like a Butterfly did win although it was down to the mistake of Adamant Approach that she prevailed. French Ballerina and Tourist Attraction also won the Supreme. The former could have been a champion hurdle mare, but for tragedy to intervene.

It would be surprising if Baby Shine was up to that level but she is certainly useful and can win races against her own sex this year before being very competitive in some of those relatively soft mares and open handicaps next year. She looks to have plenty of pace and did flatten out a bot in her bumpers, so it is difficult to know just how far she will get.
By:
JayTrumpOldTomDubbl
When: 25 Jan 12 12:37
DV do you know or indeed does anyone know has Tourist attraction bred anything worthwhile as I was at sales in Fairyhouse years ago and saw one of her produce sell..... reasonable price too if I recall corectly......
By:
theboyfrommatebeleland
When: 25 Jan 12 15:08
Interested by reference to Warren Ewing as an oil baron-he sells fish!Perhaps fish oil baron?
By:
norn iron
When: 25 Jan 12 15:34
HAVE TYRELLA DECS  IF YOU OVER AFTER ?
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 11:48
DOING YANKEE ON 4 IRISHP2P RUNNING IN ENG

ILSEOFHOPENDREAMS 140 HUNT
CLASH DUFF 240
ALLTHEKINGSHORSES EW
BALLYLIFFEN NAP 130 FONT

GOOD LUCK PUNTERS
By:
kavvie
When: 27 Jan 12 11:52
would u fancy them norn or just a flutter?
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 12:03
THINK BALLYLIFFEN GREAT CHANCE   EW AS   FAV  BROUGH ACADEMY BEST FORM ON GOOD GROUND .
CLASH DUFF FAV @6/4 IMO HAS FALL GET BEAT
OTHER TWO EW FANCIES
By:
kavvie
When: 27 Jan 12 12:13
ta,..
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 27 Jan 12 12:39
Allthekingshorses (2006 King’s Theatre g) P Hobbs
Huntingdon (soft) 3.10pm 3m2f 5yo+ Handicap hurdle 6, 10-07 (rated 128) R Johnson


The Cheltenham New Year’s Day novices’ hurdle that I’ve mentioned a few times before has been only tested once since and it saw the ninth horse, Jump City (P Nicholls-beaten 20L), finish a nice enough second in a Taunton event, earning an RPR of 127. A subsequent run in a handicap can be ignored because the horse’s mark (136) is far too high.

Allthekingshorses is a point winner for Colin Bowe and, rather surprisingly, is now with Philip Hobbs (bought privately) as JP McManus owned most of the staying family, including siblings George Travis and Full Of Joy; the dam’s half-brother, Martinstown won 4 races but wasn’t the “machine” that Christy Roche anticipated with his given name). This is also the family of Youllneverwalkalone, Galmoy and Direct Route. Staying 3m2f should be no problem for today’s runner.

Aside: Way back in 1980 Vincent O’Brien named Storm Bird’s brother “Ballydoyle” and, if I recall correctly, this son of Northern Dancer also failed to live up to the promise his name suggested.

Allthekingshorses won impressively on his hurdling debut at Exeter in November but disappointed in a winners’ event later that month at Newcastle. This run resulted in the application of a tongue-tie at Cheltenham and I think he ran quite well although beaten 18L into 8th – 3L in front of Jump City. He was out-paced at a crucial part of the race but was staying on again (over an extended two-and-a-half miles) suggesting today’s extreme trip should be ideal.

The mouth-piece is applied again today suggesting it's own risk but Hobbs and Johnson have a really decent 27% strike-rate here at Huntingdon and at likely double-figure odds he might surprise a few judges today.
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 13:12
RC BRINDISI BREEZE VERY IMPRESSIVE YESDAY AS WAS BALLYALTON . BUT MOSCOW MANNION MUST BE CLOSE BEST BUMPER HORSE IN IRELAND AND COULD WELL BOI ON GIGGINSTOWN/JP BUYING LIST ?
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 13:42
KAVVIE  BALLYLIFFEN  HIT 1.51 IR BUT WAS STOPPED AFTER LAST OR IMO HE WOULD WON
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 27 Jan 12 13:53
I was at Thyestes yesterday norn and I hadn't time for any study on Wednesday evening unfortunately.

Brindisi Breeze (highly thought of), Ballyalton (two top stables made the price)and Burrenbridge Lodge (consistency rewarded) all went unheeded through my horsetracker (and losers Godsmejudge (second), Bill The Lad (outsider in Ballyalton's bumper) and Areuwitmenow (Longsdon horse that ran in name of race sponsor-backed but disappointed), Wellfort (thought his last run was ok) and Adams Island-probably well-handicapped and an outsider for Pertemps).

It's difficult to stay in touch with it all.

Btw Jay, up to the 2006 Definite Article gelding, Hoare Abbey, Tourist Attraction (almost 17 years since she won the Supreme!) had bred nine foals and 3 winners: Supreme Attraction, Tax Benefit and Pete The Feat so she's been a fair mare but it sometimes seem that good race mare/fillies disappoint at stud and it takes a generation or two for the ability to reappear.

Dannanceys Hill ran ok on Wednesday (3rd at 11/1) and needs further.
By:
kavvie
When: 27 Jan 12 13:59
i bkd it ew norn...hard luck..if it got up the inside it would have won id say..just wondering if it finished 3rd(one withdrawn late to leave 7)would i have got paid?
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 14:05
RA I BACKED THE FIRST 3 YU MENTIONED WISH HAD DUN TREBLE BUT THE REV4CAST BURRENB AN 1COOL SHABRA 89£ WAS NICE START YES2DAY WITH BB LODGE . WHAT YOU THINK OF ZAIDPOUR & MOSCOW MANION?
By:
kavvie
When: 27 Jan 12 14:50
nice one norn..i went in at 6/4..just stayed all day!!thanks again..i was looking to see if you were posting here yest.you werent at the time of the race i had a tip for..it was 2nd at 8s..i done it ew..
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 14:59
GOOD STUFF  WAS GETN THE BROWNIE POINTS UP FOR D ROYAL AND NEWBURY  DIDNT TELL HER WON FEW £ YDAY EVEN WORSE BOUGHT HER COAT 60£ SHE FECN TAKIN IT BACK SAT AND SHE WONT GIV ME £ BACKCry
By:
kavvie
When: 27 Jan 12 15:06
ah jaysus you want to tell her whos wearing the trousers!!..im off to clonmel for the coursing next week..ive a share in a runner..
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 15:29
AS LONG I GET 10 12 TIMES YEAR TO RACE OVER ENG SHE CAN BE boss NOW AND AGAIN . GOOD LUC WENR CAERBILLY BALLYMENA ONE BOXING DAY WAS GREAT CRAIC MY M8S WERE BATTERING THE PROTESTERS I HAD TON ON BARTON BANK FELL WEN CLEAR IN KING GEORGE GOD WAS LONG WAY HOME FOR ME CrySad
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 27 Jan 12 15:29
Plenty of opportunity to trade out and have a free bet with a lot of support for Allthekingshorses. Done by the the "very soft" and "dead" ground and I will forgive this run and back him next time on good-soft or better.
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 15:41
RA YES AN TOUR DES CHAMPS MORE TO COME
By:
theboyfrommatebeleland
When: 27 Jan 12 20:17
NORN-Tyrella tomo-early to bed and wrap up warm-got winner for first race all the way from Fermanagh.
By:
norn iron
When: 27 Jan 12 21:04
CASSOON?
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