2023
Chaldean - 10May20 - 5/2j
Royal Scotsman - 29Apr20 - 12/1
Nostrum - 06Mar20 - 5/2j

2019
Manga Grecia - 25Feb16 - 11/2
King of Change - 20Mar16 - 66/1
Skardu - 01Apr16 - 8/1

2018
Saxon Warrior - 26Jan15 - 3/1
Tip To Win - 12May15 - 50/1
Masar - 16Apr15 - 5/2F

2017
Churchill - 31Jan14 - 6/4f
Barney Roy - 29Jan14 - 7/2
Al Wakir - 15Feb14 - 11/2

2016
Galileo Gold - 31Jan13 - 14/1
Masssaat - 20Feb13 - 9/1
Ribchester - 24Mar13 - 33/1

2011
Frankel - 11Feb08 - 1/2f
Dubawi Gold - 12Mar08 - 33/1
Native Khan - 6Apr08  - 16/1

2010
Makfi - 4Mar07 - 33/1
Dick Turpin - 30Apr07 - 16/1
Canford Cliffs - 8Feb07 - 12/1

(St Nicolas Abbey EVSF 13April07 unplcd

2009
Sea The Stars - 6Apr06 - 8/1
Delegator - 21Mar06 - 2/1f
Gab Amhras - 14Jan06 - 15/2

2008
HenryTheNavigator - 28Feb05 - 11/1
New Approach - 18Feb05 - 11/8f
Stubbs Art - 28Jan05 - 100/1

2011
Frankel - 11Feb08 - 1/2f
Dubawi Gold - 12Mar08 - 33/1
Native Khan - 6Apr08  - 16/1

2010
Makfi - 4Mar07 - 33/1
Dick Turpin - 30Apr07 - 16/1
Canford Cliffs - 8Feb07 - 12/1

(St Nicolas Abbey EVSF 13April07 unplcd

2009
Sea The Stars - 6Apr06 - 8/1
Delegator - 21Mar06 - 2/1f
Gab Amhras - 14Jan06 - 15/2

2011
Frankel - 11Feb08 - 1/2f
Dubawi Gold - 12Mar08 - 33/1
Native Khan - 6Apr08  - 16/1

2010
Makfi - 4Mar07 - 33/1
Dick Turpin - 30Apr07 - 16/1
Canford Cliffs - 8Feb07 - 12/1

(St Nicolas Abbey EVSF 13April07 unplcd

It’s seems that stats aren’t likes as I can’t post in full and go back further, that or someone is reporting as I post?

This year there were many young foals in the line up.

Avicenna 10th May 14/1
Billecart 2May 66/1
Venetian Prince 9Apr 80/1
Oxagon 6Apr 12/1
Thesecretadveradsry 12Apr 20/1

Non runner Samangan 13May

Backing late foals isn’t a great play, yes Sea The Stars was an April foal as you’d see if could post the other results, but he was a freak and won at 8/1 so not such a miss.

When you consider the young horses listed above and the formlines from trials then there wasn’t much to beat for a colt that had a couple of months extra for strengthening.

Yes they were big prices but history shows short priced April Foals are not to be jumped at, St Nicolas Abbey EVEs F unplaced 13Apr

Another unplaced April foal, Fav Adgio 4/1f Apr

I hope that these insights will make some of you second think your selections next year.

Going back to 2004 only 4 colts foaled in April or May have scored. 23 runnings

Chaldean 10 May 5/2

Kameko 7 Apr 10/1

Dawn Approch 23 Apr 11/8f

Sea The Stars 6 Apr 8/1

Well well, this morning I was questioning the words of the trainer of our new 2000 Guineas winner.

About the task involved to take in the Irish Guineas on route to the SJP after what I perceived to be an unduly hard race given by an adrenaline filled jockey.

Delashay • May 4, 2026 11:37 AM BST
Looking back at the race I felt that Bow Echo was given a hard race, a harder race than he needed, so that might be why he is only second fav for the Irish 2000.
He was further back than he wanted to be and maybe the excitement got to the jockey by trying to win going away and opening up the gap more?

To do both Guineas and the St James’ Palace is a difficult thing to do.

Bougehy :

“I think he has every right to be held in high regard and within his generation he looks a very good horse. He’s fast but he also stays. I don’t think he’s a Derby horse and I’d like to make him champion miler.

“There’s the Irish 2,000 Guineas, then there’s Ascot and taking on older horses. I’d like to make him a dual Guineas winner, but he will tell us whether that’s right.”

Going back to 2004

Only Four horses have done the English Irish 2000 Guineas double

Cockney Rebel 2007
HenryTheNavigator 2008
Gleneagles 2015
Churchill 2017

Only HenryTheNavigator ‘08 and Gleneagles ‘15  landed both Guineas and followed up in the St James’ Palace Stakes.

Henrythenavigator was the only horse to follow up with the Sussex Stakes.

Winning the Ascot show piece might be good for stallion value but it doesn’t as Boughey stated make Bow Echo Champion Miler.

Top 2 is under selling yourself just a bit!

I get that Impossible but one Swallow and all that think of Field of Gold last year. I can see why they are skipping it as aside from your angle it’s tough to do as history has shown.

Lots have also used the Irish version for redemption, such as Kingman, Canford Cliffs and Field of Gold and then followed up at Ascot.

I’ll be looking at who did next.

I can see why they are skipping and why the books went short, they got a sniff of plans. I do think as I said that he had a harder race than he needed to have at. Newmarket.

Scrap Zav not even entered!

Thank you Kincsem for sharing that, a really interesting read and I used to enjoy reading Nick when I first started following the sport.
To some he was a little whacky but he knew his stuff.
I don’t doubt as the piece says that they can determine dates to suit. Both Bow Echo and Gasstd were foaled in March as the piece suggests is the ideal time.

Looking back in recent years there have been younger foals winning and filling the frame, Dawn Approach was the shortest priced and Chaldean next but they had form and if I remember right Dawn Approach was a solid type.

The other years with Sea The Stars and Kameko 8 & 10/1 suggested to me that there wasn’t a standout earlier foal in those particular years.

Sea The Stars was much like this years winner in that he’d raced 3 times at two. He beat Delegator who Meehan was so bullish about going into the Guineas but he was always a doubtful stayer of a strong mile against better opposition despite winning the Craven! But he had the hoodo to burden!
Later when Godolphin bought him he was campaigning at 6f.

Thanks again, it’s much appreciated.

Bow Echo's 2,000 Guineas win was one of the best I've seen - but this is why I'd still rather be a layer than a player next time
Paul Kealy with his view on Saturday's impressive Newmarket winner

Paul Kealy
Senior tipster
Published on 8 May 2026inPaul Kealy's Betting World
Last updated 12:49, 8 May 2026

Saturday's 2,000 Guineas sure served as a reminder not to judge the quality of a Classic field based on juvenile form.
During the run-up to the season's opening Classic, I lost count of the number of times I read or heard someone say this year's Guineas was totally underwhelming with barely a proper top-class horse in sight, and have to say I was in total agreement.

For a start, I couldn't have Bow Echo being as short as 11-4 favourite ante-post based on a Racing Post Rating of 111 for beating Humidity by a length in the Royal Lodge. The runner-up had, after all, been beaten twice since winning a Chesham that wasn't working out great.

I suppose I got that bit right as Bow Echo ended up a 9-2 chance, but everything else was about as wrong as it could be as what we saw on Saturday was a proper top-drawer performance.
'Outstanding winner' Bow Echo rated joint-best 2,000 Guineas victor since Frankel

Had Gstaad beaten the Guineas field by eight lengths, we would undoubtedly be hailing another Aidan O'Brien-trained Classic winner as a superstar ready to brighten up the whole season. But while Gstaad did beat most of the field by eight lengths and more, there just happened to be another horse two and three-quarter lengths ahead of him.

Caution is the watchword when it comes to racing, though, and where Bow Echo stands among the great milers in Britain and Europe will depend on what he does from now on – and history suggests it's far from a given that he will dominate for the whole season.

There was a saying among the old farts when I was a lad that went like this: the fittest horse wins the Guineas, the luckiest horse wins the Derby, and the best horse wins the St Leger. Such generalisations are obviously nonsense, but it has to be said that in recent years it has been very hard for Newmarket Guineas winners to carry all before them into the summer and autumn.

Frankel, for instance, was the last Newmarket hero to go on to take the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at Ascot on Champions Day, and while not all of them went that route, most since him had done their winning by the Sussex Stakes. Here's a quick rundown of how they fared.
Camelot (2012)

Was never going to stay at a mile and bettered his neck victory at Newmarket with a five-length Derby success at Epsom. However, after winning a soft Irish Derby at odds of 1-5, he managed to win only one more race, a Group 3 at the Curragh as a four-year-old at odds of 1-3.
Dawn Approach (2013)

The horse whose 127 RPR was matched by Bow Echo. He had much better juvenile form, carrying a rating of 124 into the race, and blew his field away by five lengths at Newmarket. However, despite going off favourite every time afterwards, he managed to win just once. An obvious non-stayer when tailed off in the Derby, he scrambled home by a short head from Toronado in the St James's Palace, went down by half a length to the same horse in the Sussex and was then well beaten in the Prix Jacques le Marois and QEII.


Credit: Alan Crowhurst (Getty Images)
Night Of Thunder (2014)
Bow Echo's sire was a 40-1 winner of his Guineas from Kingman and didn't win another race at three, although he was placed in three Group 1s. He took the Lockinge as a four-year-old but was well below form on his final two outings and retired after beating only two in the Sussex.
Gleneagles (2015)
Followed up his Newmarket win with odds-on victories in the Irish version and the St James's Palace but missed the summer due to unseasonably slow ground and returned to finish only sixth of nine in the QEII. He was tailed off on his final outing, albeit in the Breeders' Cup Classic on dirt.
Galileo Gold (2016)
Won the St James's Palace following a short-priced Irish Guineas defeat but lost four times after that and completely lost his form in his final three runs, starting with an eighth of 11 in the Marois.
Churchill (2017)
Top juvenile who completed the Guineas double at the Curragh but ran four more times – three as favourite – and failed to win.

Saxon Warrior (2018)
Went up in trip after his Guineas success. He was fourth when odds-on for the Derby, third in the Irish Derby and then went close in the Eclipse and Irish Champion. He can hardly be called a complete failure but ultimately his post-Guineas record reads 0-5.
Magna Grecia (2019)
Was the second string O'Brien horse when winning his Guineas and made only two subsequent appearances, finishing fifth in the Irish version and tailed off after a break in the QEII.
Kameko (2020)
Went off 5-2 favourite for the Derby after his success in but finished only fourth to all-the-way winner Serpentine. He did win the Group 2 Joel Stakes in September but was no better than fourth in three more attempts at Group 1 company.
Poetic Flare (2021)
Typically heavily raced by Jim Bolger, running in both French and Irish versions afterwards, but was beaten in both before bouncing back with a St James's Palace success. Certainly wasn't disgraced in three more Group 1s after that but didn't win any of them.

Coroebus (2022)
Just got up to win the St James's Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot before failing to give his running when favourite for the Marois. He was in the process of making his challenge when sadly taking a fatal fall in the Prix de Moulin, so perhaps we didn't get to see how good he really was.
Chaldean (2023)
A commanding winner of his Guineas but a beaten favourite on his next two starts in the St James's Palace (second) and Marois (seventh) and then tailed off in the QEII.
Notable Speech (2024)
Still in training and every bit as good as he was when he won his Guineas, judged on his Grade 1 wins in Canada and at the Breeders' Cup last season. However, as a three-year-old he won only one of his four subsequent outings, the Sussex Stakes in July.
Ruling Court (2025)
Beat favourite Field Of Gold at Newmarket but was no match for that one when only third in the St James's Palace. He ran better in the Eclipse but was still only good enough for third before sadly succumbing to complications from laminitis the following month. Overall, the 14 winners of the 2,000 Guineas at Newmarket between Frankel and Bow Echo have run 71 times between them and managed to win just 14 – and they went off favourite or joint-favourite 40 times.

It doesn't make for great reading, although what's happened in the past doesn't necessarily predict the future. Frankel, after all, did go 8-8 after his Guineas.

This does serve as a reminder, however, that the Guineas is only the starting point in a season, and there's no guarantee that whatever happened on the first Saturday in May is going to be repeated throughout the campaign.
The racing fan in me dearly wants Bow Echo to prove the real deal, not least because it would be great for racing to have a superstar who doesn't run in the colours of Coolmore or Godolphin and instead races out of the yard of one of the brightest young trainers in Britain. I certainly can't wait to see him again.
But the hard-nosed punter in me knows that it is hard to keep a horse on the go throughout a whole campaign, especially one who has been made so obviously hard-fit so early in the season.
I'll be perfectly happy to end up on the wrong side of this, but when it comes to punting, I'll more than likely end up a layer than a player when Bow Echo next runs.

And a St James’ Palace winner a rare feet.

Nor did Mr. pK mention HenryTheNavigator

And you pay subscription

Delashay • April 17, 2026 11:28 AM BST
Samandagan is only just above Rayif with the former posting the same figure as on his run from last year.

Rayif is open to improve on that margin given we haven’t yet seen him. (* edit ended up winning the French2000)

I’m wary of Graffard because of how he operates, is he coming for the Guineas or is this a day out for and learning curve for something later at Ascot perhaps?


JohanntheGoatHurdler • April 29, 2026 8:33 AM BST
Del, do you believe in the lone gunman theory?


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You see Johann not all is as it seems when looking for winners or lays on the flat. I used to only bet in Group races because I was of the thought that trainers are truly trying. Especially in Group 1’s.

Nowdays a Group 1 will be used for a prep as we’ve seen AOB and I’d written how Graffard has leant to do this so it’s why I’m wary and look beyond.

Some clown ain’t I!

He did look good for sure and it’s funny how it all works out, ain’t it after the trials etc…

It’s a different level Ascot and Bow Echo looked a notch above everything else we’ve seen.

He may test him, wasn’t impressed with the Irish Guineas and the French Guineas didn’t look great but I’d not write off completely because of Hankelow and Komorembi yesterday, but I does look a grade below and Talk looks an exciting addition.

Title Role made the Greenham and him from Dubai look bad but showed that to be all wrong in Germany and Lord Clover’s form behind Hawk Mountain was boosted too.

The radar wasn’t working that day?