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strangely enough I did not want to guess on the fitness levels of the front two.
But,you did not think it would win,Delbert. Not even from your reams of pre race C&P can you aftertime this one,bullshatter supreme  |
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Let me see, did any come out here or on the other thread and say that they were backing Bow Echo?
 NO The unbeaten Ante Post FAV that you DIDN’T see as being the good thing this time last night! It’s easy to call aftertimer, I took a stance and remain with what I said and posted at 6:18pm ( which is more than you’re ever risked!) |
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The fact remains that you were wrong Delbert but it doesn't matter as you don't actually bet
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Delashay • May 1, 2026 6:39 PM BST
I don’t see the Needle Match run as being great, yes he has ability but they finished in a bunch and he wasn’t going past Albert at a rate of knots and he’s a nah show here. Needle Match is as low as 10/1 win a Guineas in his 3rd start, Makfi was 33/1 on the day and the last one to do so. Remind me of where this one finished? That the media wanted to get you all on. 2nD Last beaten 21 1/2 L |
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Delashay • May 2, 2026 12:47 PM BST
Agree Life - Lucky I know you’re on Avicenna I just wondered what people thought of Haneklow not turning up and the general form? To me it doesn’t look good enough and he’s largely being talked up because of the Craven run. Remind me of where this one finished? Last beaten 29 1/2 L and another that the media wanted people on. |
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Autistic people can never be wrong
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Delashay • March 30, 2026 10:12 AM BST
Then we had the switch with Gstaad… Well surprise surprise the substitute ended up getting course experience in the Dewhurst, which if you’ll watch he ran too freely and was reigned back by Soumi (who I don’t think rides the track well) He then stayed on reversing form and looking much bigger than Zavertari who’d beaten him earlier in the year. I expect him to go off Fav and be their sole runner. - - - - A Whole Month Passed by without comment from any of you. And oh my didn’t I get a lot right!  |
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Autistic people can learn to treat others with respect.
Yes .. Avicenna .. stone last. Sadly |
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That’s a troubling thing to say, I’ve not disrespected anyone Life and took no glee from it running so badly.
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I was merely showing that despite thinking that something would beat Bow that I got lots right and don’t just cut and paste but give an opinion.
I treat people as they treat me and if I’m given abuse then my tongue is sharp enough and mind quick enough to fire back. I’m not Autistic and so what if I were? I don’t back down to bullies and meet them on unequal terms because they are in fact below me. Any human that gets their kicks as that creep does needs a Priest or something because I’m all out of pity for him. |
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Delashay • May 2, 2026 6:58 PM BST
That’s a troubling thing to say, I’ve not disrespected anyone Life and took no glee from it running so badly. |
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uptheirons • May 2, 2026 6:50 PM BST
Delashay • May 2, 2026 6:39 PM BST And that’s why you married the unlucky bird that you did! Laugh Shat in your eyes Wink Would that be a good example of you not disrespecting anyone,Delbert |
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Or,perhaps this one ;
Delashay • May 2, 2026 7:06 PM BST Says you Laugh Mr Angry typing from his comode waiting for the rino to come wipe yr asss! Laugh |
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Did you ask for a finger with the wipe?
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Life-Lucky • May 2, 2026 12:40 PM BST
Any adult who sees himself and describes himself first and foremost as a football supporter may be safely ignored. uptheirons • May 2, 2026 12:53 PM BST As a Spuds supporter your views are worthless,Life-Lucky. A bit like your team Lots of Repec there! |
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You are a well balanced individual,Delbert.
You have a chip on both shoulders. BTW,how is Sweep? |
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Hey Lucky - Life you ok with blatant racism?
The rest of you seem to be. I’m not. |
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How unfortunate Delbert.
Now,go and paint another master piece or your toilet. Those who give it out have to take it without playing the race card |
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Insulting a posters Wife(even if he had one) seems ok for you to do Delbert
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Awe so touching trying talk, keep it to racing and save your insults you hypocrite and give my regards to the rino that’s probably more like a beached whale now!
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You are a pitiful,potless individual with the IQ of a snail.
Consider yourself blessed that I am not a filthy Grass or you would be off here for your remarks |
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uptheirons • May 2, 2026 8:37 PM BST
The contents of this post have been hidden for this blocked user. [Manage blocked users] I’m only here to talk horses not with assswipes! Thanks and night night, I’m off down the rub a dub |
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Update
This years Greenham winner didn’t show but I doubt he’d of figured. 2/13winners ran in the Greenham Stakes (Newbury) on their last run, 0 of the 2 won, 1 placed The craven proves a trial to avoid when looking for the Guineas winner. Delashay • March 24, 2026 8:20 AM GMT Why would I like to see the craven skipped? For me it’s not a positive going into the Guineas, the best performances tend to be from horses having their first run there that year, something potentially gets left behind in the Craven. It’s just my recollection over the years, I’ve seen plenty of impressive Craven winners (last years winner Field of Gold a prime example) and it’s always paid to stand your ground and go against them. Since 2004 Only Haafhd Winners of The craven Stakes record in the Guineas after 2025 Field Of Gold 2ND @ 15/8F 2024 Haatem 3rd @ 16/1 2022 Native Trail 2ND @ 5/4F 2021 Master of The Seas 2ND @ 6/1 2019 Skardu 3rd @ 8/1 2018 Masar @ 3rd @ 5/2F 2013 Toronado nk 4th @ 11/4 2012 Trumpet Major 1.25 4th @ 8/1 2011 Native Khan (bumped into one!) 3rd @ 16/1 2009 Delegator (bumped into one) 2ND @ 3/1 2008 Twice Over Went to the Dante where he was 3rd This years winner Oxagon finished 10th beaten 12 3/4L @ 12/1 As said history has shown, “it’s always paid to stand your ground and go against them.” |
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This is a reminder for me as much as the rest of you of the record of Craven winners since the last one doubled up.
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Life-Lucky • April 20, 2026 12:44 PM BST
Thanks Del. Great summary. • April 20, 2026 5:15 PM BST Thanks Life - Lucky  Respect is given when shown |
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Has Delbert been paid out on his double digit E/W Bet on Gstaad?
Regretably.Fantasy Island Bookmakers exist only in the loon's head. Feel free to prove me wrong. As for you showing respect |
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I think that it’s also safe to say given the record subsequent record of Gasstd that AOB DID put people away last year by saying that his BEST colt had missed the Coventry.
That’s how far back the narrative of a story goes with this lot, even into this year it was kept alive and punters were left with half truths in reports peddled by the press about likely contenders who would go for this years race. In short it’s disgusting. |
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"News Flash",man lands on the moon
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Looking back at the race I felt that Bow Echo was given a hard race, a harder race than he needed, so that might be why he is only second fav for the Irish 2000.
He was further back than he wanted to be and maybe the excitement got to the jockey by trying to win going away and opening up the gap more? To do both Guineas and the St James’ Palace is a difficult thing to do. Bougehy : “I think he has every right to be held in high regard and within his generation he looks a very good horse. He’s fast but he also stays. I don’t think he’s a Derby horse and I’d like to make him champion miler. “There’s the Irish 2,000 Guineas, then there’s Ascot and taking on older horses. I’d like to make him a dual Guineas winner, but he will tell us whether that’s right.” History will show that this time last year despite his narrow defeat at Newmarket, hopes were high that Field Of Gold could go on to rule the mile devision. What was there to stand in his way? Ruling Court was to go towards the Derby, Shadow Of Light was a doubtful stayer over the Curragh and As it miles. History tells us beware of taking short odds on these good things, Bow Echo might make hay but even Paddington’s winning streak came to an end eventually. Before the guineas I’m sure I heard him say that he felt the colt will get 10f so a step up might be on the cards and on class and the way he won it looks well within his compass. |
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Perhaps Delbert could manage to do a bit more C&P
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And,has just worked out that statements from Coolmoore are not to be mistaken for the truth
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Its not over until The Fat Lady Sings,top2 and whatever the outcome is I shall certainly be no poorer
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Days between 2 year old races
27Sep25 There are 21 days between September 6 and September 27 06Sep25 There are 21 days between August 15 and September 5. 15Aug25 There are21 days between the English 2000 Guineas and the Irish 2000 Then 23 days between the Irish 2000 Guineas and the St James’ Palace Stakes 43 days between Ascot and the Sussex Stakes. Field of Gold had taken in one more race on this schedule by taking in the Craven so that will help Bow Echo. But 21 days between Group 1’s is maybe why the likes of Cockney Rebel could do the Guineas double Ascot treble. |
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1,2,3 2026 2000 Guineas
Bow Echo - 01Mar23 - 9/2 Gstaad - 22Mar23 - 3/1j Distant Storm - 15Feb23 - 3/1j 2025 Ruling Court - 08Feb22 - 9/2 Field Of Gold - 03Mar22 - 15/8F Shadow of Light - 19Feb22 - 6/1 2024 Notable Speech - 10Mar21 - 16/1 Rossallion - 14Apr21 - 15/2 Haatem - 02Mar21 - 16/1 2023 Chaldean - 10May20 - 5/2j Royal Scotsman - 29Apr20 - 12/1 Nostrum - 06Mar20 - 5/2j 2022 Coroebus - 19Mar19 - 5/1 Native trail - 03Feb19 - 5/4f Luxembourg - 24Mar19 - 9/2 2021 Poetic Flare - 26Mar18 - 16/1 Master Of The Seas - 04Mar18 - 6/1 Lucky Vega - 27Feb18 - 12/1 2020 Kameko - 07Apr17 - 10/1 Wichita - 28Apr17 - 15/2 Pinatubo - 11Mar17 - 5/6F 2019 Manga Grecia - 25Feb16 - 11/2 King of Change - 20Mar16 - 66/1 Skardu - 01Apr16 - 8/1 2018 Saxon Warrior - 26Jan15 - 3/1 Tip To Win - 12May15 - 50/1 Masar - 16Apr15 - 5/2F 2017 Churchill - 31Jan14 - 6/4f Barney Roy - 29Jan14 - 7/2 Al Wakir - 15Feb14 - 11/2 2016 Galileo Gold - 31Jan13 - 14/1 Masssaat - 20Feb13 - 9/1 Ribchester - 24Mar13 - 33/1 2015 Gleneagles - 12Jan12 - 4/1 Terroritories - 7May12 - 5/1 Ivawood - 12Feb12 - 10/1 2014 Night of Thunder - 12Mar11 - 40/1 Kingman - 26Feb11 - 5/4f Australia - 8Apr - 5/2 2013 Dawn Approach - 23Apr10 - 11/8f Glory Awaits - 20Feb10 - 150/1 Van Der Neer - 1Mar - 20/1 2012 Camelot - 05Mar09 - 15/8f French Fifteen - 7Feb09 - 12/1 Hermival - 23Apr09 - 16/1 2011 Frankel - 11Feb08 - 1/2f Dubawi Gold - 12Mar08 - 33/1 Native Khan - 6Apr08 - 16/1 2010 Makfi - 4Mar07 - 33/1 Dick Turpin - 30Apr07 - 16/1 Canford Cliffs - 8Feb07 - 12/1 (St Nicolas Abbey EVSF 13April07 unplcd 2009 Sea The Stars - 6Apr06 - 8/1 Delegator - 21Mar06 - 2/1f Gab Amhras - 14Jan06 - 15/2 2008 HenryTheNavigator - 28Feb05 - 11/1 New Approach - 18Feb05 - 11/8f Stubbs Art - 28Jan05 - 100/1 2007 Cockney Rebel - 16Mar04 - 25/1 Vital Equine - 24Feb04 - 33/1 Dutch Art - 18Mar04 - 14/1 Adagio - 07Apr04 - 4/1f unplaced 2006 George Washington - 01Mar03 - 6/4f Sir Percy - 27Jan03 - 4/1 Olympian Odyssey - 19Apr03 - 33/1 2005 Footstepinthesand - 15Feb02 - 13/2 Rebel Rebel - 25Mar02 - 100/1 Kandidate - 15Apr02 - 100/1 2004 Haafhd - 18Feb01 - 11/2 Snow Ridge - 09Apr01 - 8/1 Azamour - 08Mar01 - 25/1 |
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1,2,3 2026 2000 Guineas
Bow Echo - 01Mar23 - 9/2 Gstaad - 22Mar23 - 3/1j Distant Storm - 15Feb23 - 3/1j 2025 Ruling Court - 08Feb22 - 9/2 Field Of Gold - 03Mar22 - 15/8F Shadow of Light - 19Feb22 - 6/1 2024 Notable Speech - 10Mar21 - 16/1 Rossallion - 14Apr21 - 15/2 Haatem - 02Mar21 - 16/1 2023 Chaldean - 10May20 - 5/2j Royal Scotsman - 29Apr20 - 12/1 Nostrum - 06Mar20 - 5/2j 2022 Coroebus - 19Mar19 - 5/1 Native trail - 03Feb19 - 5/4f Luxembourg - 24Mar19 - 9/2 2021 Poetic Flare - 26Mar18 - 16/1 Master Of The Seas - 04Mar18 - 6/1 Lucky Vega - 27Feb18 - 12/1 2020 Kameko - 07Apr17 - 10/1 Wichita - 28Apr17 - 15/2 Pinatubo - 11Mar17 - 5/6F 2019 Manga Grecia - 25Feb16 - 11/2 King of Change - 20Mar16 - 66/1 Skardu - 01Apr16 - 8/1 2018 Saxon Warrior - 26Jan15 - 3/1 Tip To Win - 12May15 - 50/1 Masar - 16Apr15 - 5/2F 2017 Churchill - 31Jan14 - 6/4f Barney Roy - 29Jan14 - 7/2 Al Wakir - 15Feb14 - 11/2 2016 Galileo Gold - 31Jan13 - 14/1 Masssaat - 20Feb13 - 9/1 Ribchester - 24Mar13 - 33/1 2015 Gleneagles - 12Jan12 - 4/1 Terroritories - 7May12 - 5/1 Ivawood - 12Feb12 - 10/1 2014 Night of Thunder - 12Mar11 - 40/1 Kingman - 26Feb11 - 5/4f Australia - 8Apr - 5/2 2013 Dawn Approach - 23Apr10 - 11/8f Glory Awaits - 20Feb10 - 150/1 Van Der Neer - 1Mar - 20/1 2012 Camelot - 05Mar09 - 15/8f French Fifteen - 7Feb09 - 12/1 Hermival - 23Apr09 - 16/1 2011 Frankel - 11Feb08 - 1/2f Dubawi Gold - 12Mar08 - 33/1 Native Khan - 6Apr08 - 16/1 2010 Makfi - 4Mar07 - 33/1 Dick Turpin - 30Apr07 - 16/1 Canford Cliffs - 8Feb07 - 12/1 (St Nicolas Abbey EVSF 13April07 unplcd 2009 Sea The Stars - 6Apr06 - 8/1 Delegator - 21Mar06 - 2/1f Gab Amhras - 14Jan06 - 15/2 2008 HenryTheNavigator - 28Feb05 - 11/1 New Approach - 18Feb05 - 11/8f Stubbs Art - 28Jan05 - 100/1 2007 Cockney Rebel - 16Mar04 - 25/1 Vital Equine - 24Feb04 - 33/1 Dutch Art - 18Mar04 - 14/1 Adagio - 07Apr04 - 4/1f unplaced 2006 George Washington - 01Mar03 - 6/4f Sir Percy - 27Jan03 - 4/1 Olympian Odyssey - 19Apr03 - 33/1 2005 Footstepinthesand - 15Feb02 - 13/2 Rebel Rebel - 25Mar02 - 100/1 Kandidate - 15Apr02 - 100/1 2004 Haafhd - 18Feb01 - 11/2 Snow Ridge - 09Apr01 - 8/1 Azamour - 08Mar01 - 25/1 |
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1,2,3 2026 2000 Guineas
Bow Echo - 01Mar23 - 9/2 Gstaad - 22Mar23 - 3/1j Distant Storm - 15Feb23 - 3/1j |
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2025
Ruling Court - 08Feb22 - 9/2 Field Of Gold - 03Mar22 - 15/8F Shadow of Light - 19Feb22 - 6/1 |
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2024
Notable Speech - 10Mar21 - 16/1 Rossallion - 14Apr21 - 15/2 Haatem - 02Mar21 - 16/1 |
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2023
Chaldean - 10May20 - 5/2j Royal Scotsman - 29Apr20 - 12/1 Nostrum - 06Mar20 - 5/2j |