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I wonder if jcr have considered the dramatic fall in attendance has coincided with cashless racecourses
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Good point jimnast,100% of the fodder like to play with the readies on course….
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Entry bleep….
Coffee bleep… Food bleep…. Beer bleep…. Ffs…. |
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That's a good point. I'd not want the bank to know I chose to go overdrawn for horseracing as I'd find it difficult even embarrass when face-to-face with a bank staff if asking for a loan.
I've been thinking of going horseracing again. I'd drive or I'd use public transport some bits of the journey are free as I've a Freedom Pass. I think it would cost at least £50 to attend eg entrance fee; car park; petrol, about the same if using public transport eg entrance fee; train fare;a taxi. All these are before refreshment and placing a bet. |
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Keep cash in the biscuit tin for going racing…a withdrawal from the atm now and again fills the tin…..if you have a good day punting it goes back in the tin…..
Tell the bank f all…. |
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If anyone needs a biscuit tin they're available at £5.99 from Amazon.
Thanks Ace  |
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Simple as that form good advice
I see young people not only spending on the card at the races but also betting on it they don’t realise come the day they need to borrow or get a mortgage this behaviour will affect them |
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Sitting with the bank applying for a mortgage jimnast with the person flicking through the account looking at list of bookmakers would fly any red flag tbh…
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Hayden 11 Jun 25 13:20
If anyone needs a biscuit tin they're available at £5.99 from Amazon. Thanks Ace Happy Best way Hayden,the less they know…. |
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Indeed - the new world order is now to allow all forms of 'snooping and prying and judging' about what we do, or do not.
Ironically, we also get bashed over the head about keeping data 'private' with GDPR regulations all around the place. But if you are given the right to snoop and judge then there are literally no limits to what someone can poke at and comment on.... |
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and if race tracks are casheless whats the point in a biscuit tin full of money, do they accept the TIN as a deposit,if so how many tins do you neded for the day ?
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Just go to the tracks that are not cashless
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11 runners listed and paying first 2, and what happens if you back the 3rd and actually 8 do run .?
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then you've done your money
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I think there are many in the racing establishment that agree with W C Fields "Never give a sucker an even break"
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That example Delashay is infinitely more to do with hardened punters than newcomers tbf and it's not like for like , compares to a tadpole in an ocean to find any newcomer remotely interested in all that so not relevant in the context of the thread.
As for the example itself of course it looks poor but any hardened gambler that would feasibly go near that AND want an e/way bet is again minimal at best , if you were a bookmaker i'd suggest you'd be extremely wary in offering 3 places in that race when you consider how many will make post time , sometimes you have to look at things from both sides. I could say anyone playing ante post these days deserves what they get but that would be a digression. Good luck today |
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Hayden
An excellent post above. |
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Same to you Hayden and it has some relevance with how the sport looks, poor isn’t good enough. Concessions have to be made both sides.
Imagine I say to a pal go back this each way in this race as they pay three places. They watch the race see it comes 3rd,go to collect and get nothing. They won’t be encouraged to have another bet. What’s worse is, the people in the shop wouldn’t be able to explain the reason why the above doesn’t all tally up. Of course a hardened punter will go elsewhere but there are lots of shops on the high street and you can’t control what a friend given a tip will do. All the talk of brining the race back to Wednesday is pointless. The race isn’t seen the same by this generation as most of you remember. They need to make it (racing) a package for all types and affordable. More prizes and competitions with give aways. Most people I know associate racing with dirty looking old men and they aren’t my words! More competition with horses will help, racing has become a tad boring with certain trainers mopping up everything, not everyone wants to back a short priced favourite. The image in general needs cleaning, jockeys being given short term bans for positive drug tests only happens in this sport. It’s not just the Derby that this’ll help, but racing in general. If it’s cleaned up more companies might want to attend race days and give the goers something else to see. As we’re quoting, “…Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'…” The sport and people need to move with the times and adapt. As a species we’re quite good at that. |
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And the result of this years Derby wouldn’t encourage anyone to go, if they knew the narrative of flip flopping favs from the same yard, both gambled on, pushed out and then shortened. Then not even looking competitive in the race itself.
Thats a hard thing to sell anyone. Anti post or even on the day, the money came for Delacroix the Fav and a feeble excuse was given for his non effort. But when you’ve seen it all before as with in the Guineas, it becomes normal, that’s not good or acceptable. |
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Just received a mail that makes betting an irrelevance ......
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"11 runners and only 2 places paid E?W"
That would mean the bookie is expecting at least 3 non-runners = 3 non-refundable antepost stakes = pure profit. Is this not sharp practice? |
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No it’s not. |
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Bookies or wannabe bookies or bookies masquerading as naive punters with inside info to snare recreational punters on as yet publicly unknown non-runner or an injured horse.
Insider-dealing could carry a custodial sentence in the City Of London, but not in horseracing. Here it's kudos. |
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I can see the sockless flashing the card to bet tbh….doubt many of them will carry the readies….
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I recently went Sandown , Cards only at the Bar , Cash with Books and Tote
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I couldn’t imagine going racing without cash tbh…
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acey, you can't get in with cash, you can't eat or drink with cash at lots of tracks. Don't forget your card.
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Oh the card is in the wallet swifty…..ping for coffees….
Cash in the pocket….. |
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The whole point of a day's gambling at the races is cash. You get a nice win and are told that should be in your account in 5 working days.
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'Delayshay', I've just seen 'Andrew's' post. I think I've binned the poster before. Maybe he's using a slightly different moniker now. And, the assumption my post or hatred for bookies was based on losses prior was condescending, probably arrogant and insecurity all rolled into one. Maybe 'Andrew' has not heard of the saying "act ignorant and stupid, play the opposition at their own game to win".
The horseracing turnover may be down, but the Levy is up; Levy is based on gross profit. Little doubt the gross profit was boosted by an increase in profit in fobt. Anyone can see the bookies are running horseracing to suit themselves hence the present spiral decline. The bookies' smokescreen has hoodwinked even the supposedly well-versed posters here. Or disingenuity at its worst. |
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levy only paid on gross profits from horse racing bets. that's the problem
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Swifty
Racecourse bookmakers are ONLY allowed to pay out in cash regardless of how the bet was placed. And would NOT be allowed to pay 1st 2 on 8 plus runners |
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What'd happen you splashed out, and you won. But, the winning is not in your account yet. In the meantime there's insufficient fund in one's account for another proper bet.
What'd happen next? Go home, or kick up a storm? |
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Impossible
You’ve binned Andrew what does that mean ? |
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jimnast, I didn't know that, sounds like the way it should be though.
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swiftynifty 11 Jun 25 17:19
The whole point of a day's gambling at the races is cash. You get a nice win and are told that should be in your account in 5 working days. I find the thought of that unbearable swifty tbh…..unimaginable pain…. |
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Agreed swifty
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If I understand correctly there will come a point where the Levy can only go progressively less and less if the Levy is based on the gross profit of horseracing, and betting in horseracing is on the downhill spiral. Now, I'm betting at least 80% less than just 5 years ago; 40% since last year.
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