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By:
impossible123
When: 29 Dec 23 18:31
Of course there's a case for Patrick Mullins to answer for. He cannot go around instructing or ordering another jockey (cousin or not) what not to do prior to race. This could be deemed collusion or intimidation.

Jockeys must always ride to win for their owners, and not as a tag-team to frustrate or inconvenience others.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 19:50
Mullins and Ruby are doing their best to make this about Patrick's actions after the post.

It's not about that ,  that's just a slap on the wrist offence.

The real smoking gun here are Patrick's words detailing race collusion in the subsequent interview.
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 20:15
Surely it's only 'collusion ' if the other jockey had've done what he asked?
By:
impossible123
When: 29 Dec 23 20:25
I've always known horseracing in Ireland is "managed". This is just absolute confirmation.
By:
sparrow
When: 29 Dec 23 20:27
He needs to be made an example of if only for the good of Racing.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 20:38
Your probably right MJK,
But the fact Danny caused such consternation shows it was fully expected he do what was asked or more likely told.
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 20:42

Dec 29, 2023 -- 8:25PM, impossible123 wrote:


I've always known horseracing in Ireland is "managed". This is just absolute confirmation.


Not like you to have a go at anything Irish Shocked

By:
workrider
When: 29 Dec 23 20:53
MJK I hope your Father is getting better...
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 20:55

Dec 29, 2023 -- 8:53PM, workrider wrote:


MJK I hope your Father is getting better...


Cheers I'll drop you a WhatsApp over the weekend

By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 20:58
And btw I'm very pro Patrick Mullins.
I love his pre race thoughts and after race analysis,   his willingness to speak about some of willies horses pro's and con's etc.

But I'm involved in the game as an owner and want the sport to stay clean and strong,
It's why I'm so outspoken on some of the scandals to come out and the pathetic effort of the IHRB to properly sanction the offenders.

There are plenty want it stopped and the funding racing receives from government can't be guaranteed going forward,  in fact I think the expected largest party after the next election have said in the past they will stop it.

It's why racing has to keep itself clinically clean going forward and the IHRB sweeping things under carpets doesn't help.

The transparency and sanctions handed out in places like Hong Kong are what we should be aiming for to instill respect and trust and give us a good argument in talks with ministers about funding.
By:
workrider
When: 29 Dec 23 21:00
OK MJK..Take care..
By:
blackbarn
When: 29 Dec 23 21:11
MJK - No!  Simple agreement is enough.
By:
blackbarn
When: 29 Dec 23 21:13
MJK - replying to your message of 20.15.
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 22:11
But surely the resulting manoeuvre meant he didn't agree?
By:
hulk23
When: 30 Dec 23 03:21
and gave him a brilliant ride, I thought, to win.

Anne Stokell would've won on that ffs, the things a fkng machine.

htf was it a "brilliant ride" LaughLaughLaugh
By:
hulk23
When: 30 Dec 23 03:23
... and she wouldn't have gone ballistic at someone trying their backside off to beat her



as one is required to do .....
By:
hulk23
When: 30 Dec 23 03:37
for anyone that didn't see the link, here is Danny's take on it on the way home - and it's worth reading

i'm always going to ride to win the race, and that's what i have to do for my owners and unfortunately i finished second but we had a go, that was the main thing"

the man comes out of this fiasco with a hell of a lot of credit.
By:
coys
When: 30 Dec 23 09:16
Stinks like the F1 fiasco 'races' where number 2 team driver has opportunity to overtake number 1 team driver but is ordered not to by team bosses

Mullins boy has embarrassed his old man bigtime here
By:
sparrow
When: 30 Dec 23 09:23
hulk23 30 Dec 23 03:37 
for anyone that didn't see the link, here is Danny's take on it on the way home - and it's worth reading

i'm always going to ride to win the race, and that's what i have to do for my owners and unfortunately i finished second but we had a go, that was the main thing"

the man comes out of this fiasco with a hell of a lot of credit.




100% correct. And if people cared at all about the integrity of Racing they would have to agree.
By:
ElT
When: 30 Dec 23 09:29
I think it´s a valid argument by Patrick to inform the other jockeys of the plan. I used to do the same before the races. I said listen guys, I´ll jump the first in front, from there you can do whatever you want, just don´t overtake me on the left or right until we cross the finish line. Worked like a charm.
By:
ElT
When: 30 Dec 23 09:32
I always like Danny. He often has a go from the front, and makes sure that even the long shots get a good ride. Others would just sit out the back on the 20-1 shot, when the stablemate is odds-on and supposed to win anyway.
By:
1st time poster
When: 30 Dec 23 10:50
to be fair and in patty,s defence since he was seeing frosty last yr ,1st time he,s had a chance to get a word in edgeways LaughLaugh
By:
strontium
When: 30 Dec 23 10:55
Did he tell her not to go for the gap?
By:
slickster
When: 30 Dec 23 13:08
When will we find out the length of his ban. For bringing the game into serious disrepute if nothing else.
By:
Hayden
When: 30 Dec 23 13:32
With the stuff that's been going on in this sport for the last few decades i doubt it's possible for anymore damaging disrepute , in all honesty integrity in gambling orientated sports will never truly be perceived and never has been.


Good luck today all  Happy
By:
geoff m
When: 30 Dec 23 14:04
Patrick clearly not smart in this situation. Surely he should have said to Danny "Uncle Willie" says dont go up the inner as ive got to leave a gap. Just following Dads orders and he doesnt want to scupper both our chance with a melee.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 30 Dec 23 15:59
Patrick left a big gap for him turning down hill, that was so he could obtain an advantage over rest of field and run second as danny did not have enough horse the stupid move on his own stablemate was just  rivalry between cousins,post race stuff from Patrick was stupid too but justified imvho. No big deal, no bigger issues, just another day at the races.
By:
impossible123
When: 30 Dec 23 16:38
Patrick Mullins had no right to monopolise the gap on his inside esp if he'd left it opened in the 1st place; Patrick Mullins had no right to tell another jockey not to take that gap. The jockey was riding for the owner not Patrick Mullins. Perhaps Patrick Mullins would consider sticking to riding one-runner race or a walkover.

I hope Patrick Mullins gets a suspension as a result. This is clearly unsportsmanship and intimidation. I hope the IHRB gathers some long overdue cahones and sanction Patrick Mullins for his unprofessionalism and petulance on the track.

IHRB must act on this decisively, and not one-rule for the big stables/trainers/owners, and another for the rest.
By:
sparrow
When: 30 Dec 23 17:24
Patrick Mullins was only employed to ride one horse and it's as simple as that.
By:
strontium
When: 30 Dec 23 17:44
IHRB will doubtless investigate this with their usual speed and we'll know the outcome 2 years after Patrick retires.
By:
MJK
When: 30 Dec 23 17:49

Dec 30, 2023 -- 3:37AM, hulk23 wrote:


for anyone that didn't see the link, here is Danny's take on it on the way home - and it's worth reading i'm always going to ride to win the race, and that's what i have to do for my owners and unfortunately i finished second but we had a go, that was the main thing"the man comes out of this fiasco with a hell of a lot of credit.


Jockey says he's always trying. Never heard that before. What about the ones he rides for Emmett?

By:
scoobytoo
When: 01 Jan 24 21:50
I was advised to say nothing (and, like my cousin Danny, I’m not going to listen!) but I want to give my thoughts and explain my logic around the Faugheen Novice Chase at Limerick last week, when I rode Gaelic Warrior to beat Danny on Il Etait Temps.

Before I ride in a race, I visualise what might happen – who might do what, where and when – so I can react quicker if and when those things do happen.

In Limerick the rail stops at the home bend, which leaves a gap on the inside of the horse in front. My reading of the race beforehand was that American Mike would be on my boot turning in, that the other two wouldn’t be going well enough to be involved at that stage considering the gallop I’d be setting, and that the only horse who could be tempted by the inside run was Il Etait Temps.

Two other things were in my mind when considering what might happen in the race at this point: the fact that Gaelic Warrior jumps to his right – a major point; and the incident in Leopardstown two days before when Path D’Oroux went for a run up the inside at the final fence, had a horse jump across him and came down.

Jockeys going for an inside run are banking on the jockeys in front being taken somewhat by surprise. My thinking was that if I let Danny know I would be aware of the possibility, he would consider the risk-to-reward ratio of the run unviable.

From my experience, when jockeys try to squeeze up the inside at a fence, the chance of something going wrong increases. Add in a horse who jumps right and it’s self-explanatory as to why I didn’t want that to happen. Again, Gaelic Warrior jumps right.

Il Etait Temps goes up Gaelic Warrior's inside approaching the second-last at Limerick
Il Etait Temps goes up Gaelic Warrior's inside approaching the second-last at Limerick
Danny had four options turning in and decided to run head first into a locked door, which took our focus and energy away from the race at a critical stage.

I considered it stupid and unnecessary and told him as much after the line. I did overreact but if you can't shout at your family, who can you shout at?! My horse jumps right and, having seen the Path D’Oroux incident, I felt he could have unnecessarily put both of our horses in a position that heightened our chances of falling. Some might not agree with that but that’s how I see it. Why try to go up the inside of a horse who jumps right? Which is exactly what Gaelic Warrior did at the fence.

Gaelic Warrior jumps right at the second-last, across Il Etait Temps on his inside
Gaelic Warrior jumps right at the second-last, across Il Etait Temps on his inside
As for my subsequent interview, I gave an honest answer to a straight question that I thought perhaps gave an interesting insight. Maybe that was naive of me. And, outside the heat of the moment, could I have explained it better? Certainly.

The fact we were both riding for the same trainer didn’t come into my thinking. We’re both jockeys trying to win a race – and the race showed that quite clearly. As did the race in which Danny stuck Lossiemouth in a pocket; as did the race in which Paul Townend put me and Sharjah in a pocket; as did the race in which I tried to keep Danny in on Vauban last Christmas.

I’ve been told it came across as arrogant and self-entitled. Well, so be it if it does. This is high-speed, high-stakes sport, not a playground. I’m different on the track than I am off it and I ride better because of that.

I’m allowed to say what I said to Danny or any other jockey, as are opposing football players in a tunnel before a match. Danny is entitled to ignore me. I’m allowed to be angry at what I consider a stupid and unnecessary manoeuvre – although I’ll wait until we’re inside the weigh room next time to make my point. The show goes on.

And Danny buys dinner next time.
By:
impossible123
When: 01 Jan 24 22:43
What a pathetic and petulant response from Patrick Mullins? The reality is no jockey can instruct or tell another jockey - related or not - what they can/cannot or must/must not do in a race esp if there is a gap sufficient big enough for another horse to go through.

The stewards will decide whether there has been an infringement or not post the race should there be any incident between the jockeys and/or horses. This remit is not Patrick Mullins', but the stewards.
By:
saxon farm
When: 01 Jan 24 23:08
impossible123
How was The KG for you after laying Gerri at huge prices then backing him back short…apparently to green up which seems head scratching . Then saying you’re in trouble with Hewick if he wins!!!
By:
hulk23
When: 02 Jan 24 00:34
if it "jumps right" it's up to Danny to do his homework and ride his mount accordingly.  not you tell him what to do. 

and by the way, it didn't jump right at the 2nd last, or the last.  straight as a fookin die ...
By:
olddesperado
When: 02 Jan 24 01:23
Well briefed and rehearsed response there.
Tried to cover every charge and accusation.

Almost what you'd expect from legal adviser tbh.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 02 Jan 24 07:20
Saxon LaughLaughLaugh

How he managed to lay at a huge price and back it a short price to green up, sums up the rubbish that he types on here.
By:
impossible123
When: 02 Jan 24 07:52
'saxon farm', my only green in the KG was BMG (trebles and accas), and I won 1/2 from it; I 'lay/back' Gerri (lost £40 stake as saver); 'lay' others too (won £66); 'back' Hewick at 16/1 for £10 (as a saver given market contraction). But, for Hewick I'd have won £160 less. However, had BMG won I'd have a further £1.5k running on Galopin and City of Troy; if so, I'd "manage" accordingly. As such, only a small green onto Galopin.

All in all a fairly satisfactory result for effort deployed.

I think Patrick Mullins is an arrogant/conceited individual from his latest response. He opined like a brief.
By:
sparrow
When: 02 Jan 24 08:51
Do saxon and brandyon the rocks realise that this thread is about Patrick Mullins and not the bets of impossible?

If so tell us your verdict on Mullins.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 02 Jan 24 09:39
Already had my say on the subject, thanks for your concern, Sparrow.
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