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By:
racing6699
When: 29 Dec 23 09:28
I mean its shows everything wrong with racing imo regardless of whether we all know this sort of thing goes on daily. Patrik is basically saying i want to ride a certain way on a certain path and you all have to follow my instructions. I mean it’s absurd
By:
salmon spray
When: 29 Dec 23 09:45
Patrick was surely the trainer's representative at Limerick. He was therefore entitled to give the other Mullins tactical instructions imo.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 10:01
Yes salmon,   his instructions were don't win unless I fall.
By:
Bentring
When: 29 Dec 23 10:07
No one has realised that the winner luggs right and Patrick might not have been able to correct him and avoiding carnage
By:
CROPSICK
When: 29 Dec 23 10:39
Danny Mullins knew he should not attempt to come up G?W inside when the horse clearly goes right and he would have been told that before the race started.
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Dec 23 10:41
I think he was just sh1tting himself after getting beat on the Good Thing the day before Facile Vega he knew it was curtains for him if he fuked up on this.
By:
hulk23
When: 29 Dec 23 10:42
the winner luggs right

then thats up to the other jockeys to work out and place their horses as they see fit, not as patrick orders them to place them ...
By:
hulk23
When: 29 Dec 23 10:48
the whole things ridiculous.  when have you ever heard the jockey on the winner jump off and then tell a TV crew that went quite well except the jockey on the runner-up didn't do what i instructed him to do before the race.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 10:51
This whole episode can only ramp up the pressure to restrict trainers multiple entries imo and not before time.
By:
ladycarla
When: 29 Dec 23 11:01
Makes you wonder if Walsh gave Townsend same instructions on fact to file Confused
By:
racing6699
When: 29 Dec 23 11:02
Mullins camp have previous on these issues: :) Willie Mullins blamed jockey error for the moment that allowed Honeysuckle to make her winning move up the rail and claim the Close Brothers Mares' Hurdle at the expense of his odds-on shot Benie Des Dieux.

Robbie Power, on board the Mullins-trained Stormy Ireland, left a gap on his inside as they turned for home, which Rachael Blackmore capitalised on to surge to the front on Honeysuckle.

Benie Des Dieux, out wide, was unable to bridge the gap under Paul Townend and went down by half a length. Mullins told Racing TV: "I just think it was miscommunication turning for home. Maybe Robbie thought one of our horses was behind him rather than Honeysuckle. It looked like he just gifted the winner a huge gap while Paul was going on the outside."
By:
strontium
When: 29 Dec 23 11:58
It is vital that racing has the appearance of being fair. This stinks worse than a 3-week-old kebab.
By:
sparrow
When: 29 Dec 23 12:01
Not exactly riding these horses to obtain their best possible position are they?
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Dec 23 12:01
The video after the line is well worth a watch It needs to be shown.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 12:18
Ffs acey the video is why this thread exists.
It would have actually looked good for racing with Danny trying to get up the inside of a better fancied stable mate.

The fact that Patrick behaved like a bitch about it is what brought people's attention to the team tactics and has thrown racing into disrepute.
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Dec 23 12:20
I hope Nick Luck or I.T.V Racing highlight it that is what i am saying.
By:
Deptford
When: 29 Dec 23 12:37
Not one iota of a chance of the gravy train rocking the boat
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Dec 23 12:41
Nick luck is pretty good.
By:
formoftheace
When: 29 Dec 23 12:42
No he ain’t they have bills to pay…..
By:
saxon farm
When: 29 Dec 23 12:43
It was discussed on Sky Racing this morning.
By:
strontium
When: 29 Dec 23 12:56
What did they say about it Saxon?
By:
paulo47
When: 29 Dec 23 13:07
I would also think that how to ride GW has been a pet project of Patrick's this winter and the discussions would have been also within the household . So the running over a distance short of his optimum (shouldnt finish tired and jump right ) , taking fences without any distractions all may have played a part .Probably explains how upset he was , but if Danny thought he could win ....
By:
Deptford
When: 29 Dec 23 13:16
Wonder what time Patrick wants the pubs to close tonight? He must be in total charge of everything.
By:
saxon farm
When: 29 Dec 23 13:21
strontium
The gist of it was that Patrick probably regrets his utterances being made in public.
By:
strontium
When: 29 Dec 23 13:27
Thank you Saxon.
By:
sparrow
When: 29 Dec 23 13:28
This amateur jockey seems to be of great importance in Ireland or at least thinks he is.
By:
hulk23
When: 29 Dec 23 13:57
GAA players are also amateur, top ones have all got nice motors ...
By:
mrcombustible
When: 29 Dec 23 14:03
Rules for amateurs in Ireland, I don't know how many races an Amateur can ride against professionals in UK.
Patrick must be near the top of the limit every year in Ireland. He is an amateur in name only

Qualified Riders may ride as follows:
(a) Category A1; In Irish National Hunt Flat Races and in
flat races in which riders Qualified under
Rule 124(ii) are permitted to ride.
Category A2; In Point to Point Steeplechases only.
Category A3; In Irish National Hunt Flat Races, Point to
Point Steeplechases and in flat races in
which Qualified Riders under Rule 124 are
permitted to ride.
(b) Category B; In races specified in paragraph (a) above
and in Hunters Steeplechases’ in Hurdle
Races and in Steeplechases confined to
Qualified Riders.
(c) Category C; In races specified in paragraphs (a) and
(b) above and in twenty one races open to
Jockeys (other than I.N.H Flat races) in
Ireland in any one season. When riding
horses owned by themselves or their
immediate family i.e. wife, son or
daughter, father or mother, brother or
sister, or grandparents or a horse owned
in partnership between such persons, the
ride will not count towards the twenty-one
rides allowed.
By:
punchestown
When: 29 Dec 23 14:29
He felt his horse was lugging to the right through the race and didn't want to do Danny if he came up there at the second last,absolute storm in a tea cup.
By:
Deptford
When: 29 Dec 23 14:30
Oh dear ^
By:
punchestown
When: 29 Dec 23 14:31
Go with the pile on so..
By:
sparrow
When: 29 Dec 23 14:34
Patrick seems a very caring person after all. Plain
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 29 Dec 23 14:57
This is the sport of horse-racing not a benefit for the Mullins clan
Jockeys should not be telling opposition jockeys how to ride their races.
By:
trevor007
When: 29 Dec 23 15:10
Patrick is hoisted by his own petard by admitting he told Danny Mullins not to come up his inside at the 2nd last and compounded it with his actions after the winning post and after the 2nd last by riding his mount to push Danny off the course.

This is a clear breach of rules end of, he was angry because Danny didn't follow his instructions during the race.

Danny has gained a reputation for giving everything a ride, which is backed up by the number of times he's ridden 3rd 4th fancied horses to win at nice prices from the Mullins stable, after all he's the professional here not Patrick.

People need to remember if we don't bet on this product it dies, racing only exists because of the betting if this nonsense continues forget about animal rights killing the game we the punter will kill it by not betting on self-entitled millionaires running races for their own benefit.
By:
sparrow
When: 29 Dec 23 15:13
Very true, trevor. Really surprised at some people on here making excuses for his behaviour.
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 15:32
Think Barry Geraghty made the best comment on this when he said if the leader had've been allowed a few lengths clear at the second last none of this would have occurred
By:
Deptford
When: 29 Dec 23 15:41
Why best comment? The best comment surely is no jockey tells another what to do
By:
MJK
When: 29 Dec 23 15:43
Because it makes the most sense. He said if he'd have been on the horse he would've made sure he was a few lengths clear before the second last so jumping to the right wouldn't have made a difference to the result.
By:
olddesperado
When: 29 Dec 23 16:02
He didn't have to make sure it was clear as he thought he had made it clear to Danny in the pre race orders.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 29 Dec 23 18:20
Willie Mullins questions need for investigation over 'storm in a teacup' family spat at Limerick
Willie Mullins chats with the media at Leopardstown on Friday
Willie Mullins has sought to play down the spat between his son Patrick and nephew Danny
Credit: Alan Crowhurst (Getty Images)
Willie Mullins has questioned the need for comments made by his son Patrick in the aftermath of his spat with cousin Danny at Limerick on Thursday to be referred on for further investigation by the authorities.

The perennial champion amateur was seen animatedly admonishing Danny after he had won the Grade 1 Guinness Faugheen Novice Chase on Gaelic Warrior. Danny Mullins had been riding Il Etait Temps for the Closutton stable and made a move to go up Gaelic Warrior's inside after the odds-on favourite, who had American Mike outside him at the time, edged left off the bend as they turned to face the final two fences.

The winning rider subsequently told Racing TV that he had "told Danny going out that there will be a gap down my inside at the second-last, do not come for it. He hasn't listened to me. Luckily he hasn't got the two of us beat, but it didn't matter."

The perception of one rider dictating to another what to do in a race has led to many questioning the integrity of the situation, and the stewards on the day referred that aspect on to a senior official for further investigation.

Patrick Mullins (left) exchanges words with his cousin Danny after the line
Patrick Mullins (left) exchanges words with his cousin Danny after the line
Credit: Racing TV
Danny Mullins subsequently said on his Tote blog: "It's one of those things – I'm always going to ride to win the race. I had a go and unfortunately I finished second – we had a go, that was the main thing."

Speaking at Leopardstown on Friday, the trainer of the two horses played down the contretemps. "Lots of players say things to other players coming off the pitch and it never gets referred on. I don't know why this was," Mullins said. "It's a storm in a teacup as far as I'm concerned. Everyone's blood was up and it was probably Patrick's second most important ride over the Christmas period after Facile Vega. He was probably a bit disappointed because he was minding his Ps and Qs and gave him a brilliant ride, I thought, to win.

"Danny tried to win on his horse for his owner, he played the cards that he thought was best for him, that's about it. My two riders were doing their best and I'm sure American Mike was doing his best, and that was it. I didn't see anything wrong with it anyway."

He added: "I watched the race and I thought it was three top riders going down to the last two fences flat out, each one trying to win the race. I couldn't see anything wrong with it. The stewards looked at [the in-running incident] and saw nothing wrong with it either."

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Ruby Walsh: "It's not a gallop in Closutton, it's a racecourse, every man for himself"
Credit: Patrick McCann (racingpost.com/photos)
Ruby Walsh later addressed the controversy in his role as a pundit on RTE television. He suggested he could relate to Patrick Mullins' direction to his cousin before the race, but he did not spare him for what unfolded thereafter.

"It's not a gallop in Closutton, it's a racecourse, every man for himself," Walsh said. "As regards what Patrick was saying, I know when I was riding Yorkhill I'd be lined up at the start and I'd say to the lads around me, 'This is going to go left, so you can line up on my inside if you want, but I will be going left because I'm not in control of it'.

"You would mark people's cards, but Danny was right – I wouldn't have listened to Patrick either. Go away! Do you think you own the place? I don't know how Patrick even thought he was going to listen to him. And, by the way, they are both Mullinses, so whatever you tell them, one was always going to do the opposite anyway! I mean he should have known his cousin better than he does."

When Barry Geraghty interjected that the Racing TV interview did not reflect well on Patrick, Walsh added: "And neither does Patrick's actions after the winning post. We were involved in plenty of incidents when we rode and you have to keep your temper under control. It's not always easy. I'm sure he regrets it, but you can't do that. He is champion amateur and he sets an example – it's not allowed."
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