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vicious dictator and mass-murderer invades democratic state. unknown thousands of civilians have been killed. but all george b wants to talk about is the u.s. how is it relevant? so desperate is this idiot for a moral equivalent that he asks what would happen if putin put missiles in mexico. as if he would support the u.s. blasting mexico to bits. no he wouldnt. yet that is his justification here. defending the indefensible.
. and hes not alone. ancient idiot salmon said the same and is so desperate to drag the u.s. into it he brought up something that happened in the 70s. the u.s. unseated a 'democratically elected' leader. aside from the fact that he would never be elected again as he was about to become a dictator. pinochet who unseated allende, was a hate figure while an unelected undemocratic dictator in cuba was revered by cretins like salmon. dont forget georgy said the west wants this war. whys that then? what do they expect to gain from it? you are a useful idiot. you hate the u.s. which gives you all your toys like facebook instagram microsoft twitter amazon netflix etc (none of which i use) but have nothing to say about russia which brings nothing but murder and chaos or china that has unleashed a virus that has killed millions and bankrupted the world. imagine said virus had originated in the u.s.? georgy the conspiracy loon would would be screaming about secret labs and area 451 and cia. and demanding bazillions in reparations amazing how all conspiracies point in one direction only. does anyone really think vicious autocracies like russia and china, that kill their enemies everywhere, do not engage in any of this stuff? yet the interweb truth-seekers arent interested. could it be the troll-farms heavily invested in by russia and china that spew out this poisonous garbage while denying their own people access to it could be responsible and that dupes like gorgeous and co. pick this nonsense up and spread it, giving the perpetrators plausible deniability. prob with conspiracy loons is that they only believe the utterly incredible. they dont have a theory |
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Peter Hitchens, a political correspondent for decades who has worked and lived in Moscow, worked in Ukraine too, been writing about the situation there for years.
and barstool, your credentials to comment on the situation there are what exactly? You've read The Sun and watched a bit of the BBC News? |
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mitolo, where are the quotes of me saying the things you accused of me saying?
Do the posts not exist by any chance? |
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which bit is untrue?
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Ukraine was the line in the sand for Putin. Again, why is the West pushing this guy? If Ukraine was told that joining the EU/NATO is a complete no go for the time being, we wouldn't be in this situation and innocent people and children wouldn't be getting killed. Ukraine doesn't even meet the requirements to join the EU/NATO. So, I wonder who's letting them think its a genuine possibility? Look to the USA & Biden & Co. for your answer.
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Shocking as you say Timberman, young family trying to leave their homeland, that image was truly awful. Not often I pray but I will Tonight, may they RIP.
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mitolo 06 Mar 22 22:41
which bit is untrue? here's how it tends to work on here: You take a quote you wish to respond to, like I have here of yours, or you can use the quote button on the new forum, then you reply to it and the original poster will know what you're referring to. What your little mind is currently doing is making sh*t up about stuff you've misinterpreted. |
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pootin is a thug and a thief who hates democracy and seethes that the people of almost all the former soviet EU members are now better off than russians. He will not allow that to happen in ukraine so is destroying it.
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America loves nothing better than promoting insatiability in other countries. The vile creature Kamala Harris is visiting Europe next week. Why? GTFO!
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I was stating a fact.
No one forced Hungary, Poland, Bulgarai, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania etc to Join NATO. I suppose my credentials are just like yours. Not worth much.  |
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so putins response to countires seeking to join nato is to blast them to bits and its all bidets fault? and they were a long way from it, the reason the baltic states were so desperate to join was to protect themselves from putin. what fools they are. nato is a smokescreen. putin has said repeatedly that ukraine is russian. the idea he is 'de-nazifying' it is grotesque.
the u.s. loves nothing more than stability. it wants free trade. it will sell none of its world-leading products where there is war. it wants the opposite you moron. putin wants chaos, and sows it wherever he can. and gorgeous did you not say 'what if russia put missiles in mexico? a stupid non-argument, given that if they did, and its super-unlikely, would you support a u.s. invasion? bollox. |
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Who knows what deals, if any, were done for those countries to join NATO, not me or you barstool because as you correctly say, our credentials for commenting on such matters are not worth much.
But btw barstool, the same politicians who sacked care workers and threatened doctors and nurses with the sack if they didn't consent to having a novel medical procedure performed on them, or the ones in countries in the west mandating the experimental jabs, or the politicians in Canada freezing innocent people's bank accounts under "emergency laws", do you think they give a sh*t about the "democracy and freedom" of a foreign country, like we're being asked to believe? Or are there other factors at play here? |
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mitolo 06 Mar 22 23:02
and gorgeous did you not say 'what if russia put missiles in mexico? a stupid non-argument, given that if they did, and its super-unlikely, would you support a u.s. invasion? bollox. Well done mitolo, you're getting the hang of this, something I did actually say / ask. And it's an easy one to deal with because we have at least one example from history of a similar scenario. The Bay of Pigs / Cuban Missile Crisis. WW3 nearly broke out. That was how the Americans responded. Anything else I can help you with? |
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gorgeous; what do you think of putin? do you consider him entirely ratin0al and reasonable? you are clear that bidet is no good. quite so. clearly evil. but what about rasputin?
ive read a lorra books about the geezer and russia in general and have formed an opinion based on that. i can be very boring on the subject, as all my chums will attest. i constantly confront interweb fictions, which is why ive been chucked off twitter 1 million times. never mind. what do you think? |
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Mitolo, you clearly act on emotion. The Baltic states are of no interest to Putin. Ukraine is of great strategic value, geographically and in other ways. He has told the West/Nato/EU on a number of occasions that he doesn't want Ukraine becoming part of the West, this was his line in the sand. What, you think he was bluffing? Now this is where we are and you can be sure he won't back down until Ukraine is flattened. So, what's the end goal for those fighting against him?
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no. not the same. the bay of pigs was way before the missile crisis. and as ever, you bring it back to the u.s. the u.s. hasnt invaded ukraine. we are dealing with here and now.
why did you mention mexico? how is it relevant? |
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the fact HE doesnt want ukraine joining the 'west' shouldnt be an issue. they want to. so he can fro, you moron.
its called self-determination and if a vast majority of ukranians want to join the e.u.(thats what started it in 2014) its up to them. its pure blackmail. do what i say or i will kill you. same as adlog. di |
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When countless lives are lost and the country is wrecked. What then? Wouldn't it be better to back down. He won't be in power forever and the next guy in might be more forward thinking and be more open to the Ukraine joining the EU/Nato. Common sense has never been in shorter supply in 2022(Nap)
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all these countries joined nato to avoid what is now happening to ukraine.......its not rocket science.......if u r in nato, Vlad wont bomb you
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They wouldn't even meet the requirements to join the EU, you moron! And they certainly when the country is flattened! What a clueless, emotionally unstable mong.
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mitolo 06 Mar 22 23:18
gorgeous; what do you think of putin? do you consider him entirely ratin0al and reasonable? you are clear that bidet is no good. quite so. clearly evil. but what about rasputin? ive read a lorra books about the geezer and russia in general and have formed an opinion based on that. i can be very boring on the subject, as all my chums will attest. i constantly confront interweb fictions, which is why ive been chucked off twitter 1 million times. never mind. what do you think? You've obviously researched Putin a lot more than I have, so I'm prepared to bow to your superior knowledge on his state of mind. So he invades a neighbouring country based on a perceived or actual threat from NATO expansion on his doorstep. Blair and Bush invade a far away country based on a lie. Which of them is the maddest / most evil in your opinion? |
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ukraine voted in a referendum in 1999 90% for total independence, and even the 'states' in the east putin claims to be 'supporting' voted 80%.
he has no right or mandate and he knows it. if those in the eastern regions wanted to secede from ukraine they might have set up political parties to help achieve this. they didnt. ukraine should be in the eu. when it voiced an interest in joining, putin took over ukraine the same year. to him, its russia, and a lorra people are going to die because of his messianic belief in re-uniting the motherland. |
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More chance of me winning the national lottery than the Ukraine
giving up, a blind man could see from day one these are proud and fearless patriots, fair play to their president, doing well for an ex comedian, couldn't see mcintyre or Jimmy Carr leading from the front. |
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mitolo 06 Mar 22 23:22
why did you mention mexico? how is it relevant? The Cuban missile crisis showed the Americans were not prepared to have soviet missiles located in a relatively nearby country. How do you think they would react if the Russians signed a military pact with Mexico, or to put it another way, if the boot was on the other foot? |
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I'm not saying I agree with how he acts. I'm totally against what he's doing. But it would be better to wait for another time, a time when he's no longer in power.
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not the time for moral relevance gb. i doubt you were having such a chat about this when iraq happened. did you compare it to ussr in afghanistan? i doubt it. i was dead against. the iraq war was a calamity, but this is different. iraq was not about conquest, however barmy it was. it cost zillions and unleashed horror(one thing hussein did was keep a lid on the loonies, mainly by exterminating them)
the difference is you constantly seek to draw attention away from the reality, namely putin is a maniac and by pointing the finger at bidet and co you serve his agenda. he spews out lies daily on the interweb, he crushes all dissent and he is president for life for a reason; he cannot leave. when he assumed the presidency, the 1st thing he did was guarantee immunity from prosecution to yeltsyns family, who had been raping the gaff. hes been raping the gaff for 20 years and has become as sickly cynical as stalin, trusting no-one. he will die in office. sadly, many others will also. he doesnt want people like you to believe him; he doesnt want you to believe anyone. and hes got it. the interweb is alight with crazy conspiracies and lies. truth is lost in the fog of misinformation. why could you not have a discussion on this without bringing in the u.s.? thats what hes wrought. 'they are all as bad as each other' is what you hear. but they aint as bad as him. and youve bought it |
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er,, you have sought to explain putins actions by comparing a hypothetical u.s reaction to a super-hypothetical scenario.
i do not know how they would react to russian missiles in mexico, but my point was that i do not think you would be in any way understanding of a u.s. invasion of mexico as you seem to be about the russian invasion of ukraine. |
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Whichever way you look at it, this is the end of Putin and the end of Russia for a very long time - as an economic power, and as a diplomatic state. The upshot will be similar to that of the restrictions imposed on Germany post 1945. Either that or a nuclear war. I don't see many other options.
No one will want to touch Russia / Putin after this. Not even China. China will wait for their demise before using it as a springboard. The west has drawn a line in the sand over Ukraine and some of the east aren't far behind. |
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For those of you who slag off the BBC, how many of you would put your lives on the line to tell the story of the killing of innocent children?
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Can only comment on Sky as never use any other news channel , have to say for reporting bravery i'd put Stuart Ramsey and Alex Crawford top of that list.
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Apart from George's all-weather competition I'm giving up on the forum for awhile, too many 'experts' in 'ere for me, Covid and Russia, shrill voices screaming unresearched opinions. Life's too short
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I haven't been reading this because it has all got a bit silly and overheated imo.
My position is nothing like GEORGE's. He and I have crossed swords on several occasions and now tacitly avoid each other. However I see that mitolo apparently can't tell the difference and calls me an ancient idiot and a credit for making some points which he is entitled to disagree with,but gives him no right to descend to personal abuse ( I particularly object to ancient as I am considerably younger than the the last two US Presidents ) Perhaps he would like to google The Monroe Doctrine and consider an apology. Just to be clear I wholeheartedly condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine. |
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Wise decision Life-Lucky considering your post on Feb 25 at 12.52.
Where you suggested that the west is pushing for Ukrainian 5yo's to be educated in the basics of LBGT culture. |
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In my above post I meant cretin not credit. Freudian slip.
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putin
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fisface, your slip was not freudian and i have no need to google the monroe doctrine, or anything else.
anyone who brings up pinochet on a fred about putin is an idiot, ancient or adolescent. |
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Mitilo , If you think Putin / Russia was going to stand by and do nothing as Ukraine under the guidance of America placed missile basis all along the Ukraine / Russian border you need sectioning.
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You are a man of no manners mitolo. You've been banned before. Unless you call me a paedo or rapist I won't report you but I rather hope someone else does.
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telegraph
Britain’s private schools face funding shortfall as sanctions on wealthy Russians tighten |
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xmoneysx , more media bullsh1t , hot on the heels of last nights Daily Mail headline of , America gives Poland green light to give MIG fighters to the Ukraine , which was quickly followed by Poland stating it has no intention of doing so or being drawn into the conflict and getting attacked it's self . Then today's little gem is " Biden how can we not stopia being drawn into the war with what is going on , which was followed an hour later by "Ukraine on the brink of defeating Russia"
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